We own Utah

[anonymous coward]

Did they leave the bench area during an altercation?

no, they did worser things, like a clearly intentional elbow to the face and a flagrant foul

[ChumpDumper]

no, they did worser things, like a elbow to the face and a flagrant foul

So what does that have to do with the Amare and Diaw's leaving the bench area during an altercation which only had one possible punishment?

[anonymous coward]

partiality

[ShoogarBear]

As a Jazz fan, I feel that I need to jump in and defend Malone a Stockton a little bit, even if that means you guys thrash me.

In regards to Karl Malone's elbow to D-Rob: That was are reckless play, but not one that was meant to intentionally hurt D-Rob. If you watch it, Malone cannot clearly see that Robinson is standing behind him. When Malone comes down with the rebound, he does recklessly swing an elbow and does hit Robinson. The league was right to fine and suspend Karl for being reckless, but he DID NOT mean to go for D-Rob's head and knock him out.

In fact, I don't know how many of you heard the rest of the story but Robinson was kept in an SLC hospital overnight for observation. Immediatley after the game Karl went to the hospital to sit and talk with Robinson. The report I heard stated that Karl stayed with the admiral for quite a few hours.

As far as Stockton: The dude set nasty picks on 7-footers and they didn't like it, and you know what? Stockton got bounced around plenty for it. The guy didn't shy away from the abuse he knew he was going to take, and he even dished some out in the process. In that regard, he was no more dirty than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, etc. Somebody in here stated that Stockton tried to take shots at people's legs and knees. That simply didn't happen. Back up that statement with some footage proving otherwise or stop making those accusations (btw, he played for 18 years, so more than one incident would be nice if you can find it).

Also, being a fan of the Utah Jazz and physical basketball, I'm not going to sit here and call Bruce Bowen a dirty player. I'll leave that to Suns fans. But if you insist on calling out Karl and John, you need not look very far from your own team to see a player who plays the game very, very similar to how they did. In fact, one could make a point that Bowen has probably already found himself in more "questionable" situations than either Stockton or Malone, and he's been in the league a much shorter time.

Either way, I expect you to despise Stock and Malone. They owned you. That's the very reason I despise Jordan and Pippen, so I definitley understand where your hate comes from. Let's just keep it on an even par and realize these 2 were no more dirty than some of the player(s) you currently have on your team.

Good post.

Completely misguided, but good anyway.

No way Bowen has been in more questionable situations than Malone. The DRob and Isiah Thomas elbows alone cons ute more damage than Bruce's entire career three times over.

The only reason Bowen gets singled out more than Stockton is because Bruce didn't play in the 80s and aerly 90s.

Look forward to hearing from you during the series.

[ChumpDumper]

partiality

Since Horry was suspended for two games for actions such as those of Richardson and Davis and Moore, who were not suspended, I fail to see how the Spurs benefitted from the league's ruling regarding flagrant fouls.

[blaze89]

1994
1996
1998

I had those memories in my mind today.

Never forgotten those years.


If only Stockon and Malone were here.

[anonymous coward]

Since Horry was suspended for two games for actions such as those of Richardson and Davis and Moore, who were not suspended, I fail to see how the Spurs benefitted from the league's ruling regarding flagrant fouls.

was just a joke about the nba "impartiality"

[ChumpDumper]

was just a joke about the nba "impartiality"

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny.

[anonymous coward]

really?

[blaze89]

Remember The Elbow

This series can go a long ways toward s ching up that wound. The time for payback has finally arrived.

Revenge.

I actually believe that "elbow" changed things for the better for the Spurs. Following that year, guys like Jerome Kersey and Mario Elie were brought in. There was a change of mentality shifting to the mental toughness we are seeing in today's team.

[UV Ray]

...nothing, but we owe Stern a blow job.

or 20.

[davemaniscool]

Time heals but at the time Malone/Stockton were the two dirtiest players in the league. Stockton's picks were never legal and Malone...not much to say there that hasn't been already said. And when he played for LA and defended Tim everyone in the media said he played tough D. What I saw was a has been assaulting the best PF in the game at the time.

I was glad he retired. One down and one to go with Shaq.

Ask any player during that time and they'll say the same.

[smeagol]

really?

Dude, you got pwned.

STFU already.

[jazzman12]

I'm curious to know why Stockton's screens weren't "legal". For the most part he wasn't setting moving screens, so I'd love to hear the reasoning. I understand though, when a 6'1" point guard can knock your 7-foot Naval Academy Center on his ass after setting a pick, there's bound to be some embarrassment there.

As far as Malone, the D-Rob and Isiah incidents were the 2 worst of his career. I trully believe the D-Rob thing was an accident while Malone was a bit out of control. I think the Isiah one was totally on purpose due to the fact that Isiah had been ripping Stockton in the press for making the original Dream Team roster, leaving him without a spot. Malone sent a message, and I think over the course of time Isiah has proven to be a real A-hole so I really don't feel too bad about what Malone did.

I still stand by my original thought and I don't expect Spurs fans to agree, but I think any other NBA fan would: If Stockton and Malone were dirty, Bruce Bowen is right there with them. I know he's your boy and your going to take up for him, just like I am with my guys, but he easily plays the game just as rough, if not rougher than those 2. In all reality, Karl was much bigger than Bowen, so it was always easier to tell when Karl had done some damage. However, I don't know if he ever resorted to blatantly kneeing people in the crotch, or karate kicking a Minnesota T-Wolve player in the face, but we tend to overlook those sorts of things when the player is on "our side".

Anyway, these 2 are no longer in Utah so I don't see the point. Revenge is not a factor because you cannot get revenge on them. I'm more interested in watching what I hope turns out to be a well played, clean series. Good luck to all.

[Budkin]

OMG I so agree... the Jazz are my most hated team of all time. Malone and Stockton were unbearable pricks on the court, and the horde of Mormon hate pouring down from the frenzied Utah crowd made me sick. I want to crush the out of this team.

[SRJ]

As far as Malone, the D-Rob and Isiah incidents were the 2 worst of his career. I trully believe the D-Rob thing was an accident while Malone was a bit out of control. I think the Isiah one was totally on purpose due to the fact that Isiah had been ripping Stockton in the press for making the original Dream Team roster, leaving him without a spot. Malone sent a message, and I think over the course of time Isiah has proven to be a real A-hole so I really don't feel too bad about what Malone did.

A) Isiah ripping Stockton in the press
B) Malone putting 44 stiches in a man's face

How is (B) any kind of justification at all for (A)?

You'd have to be a Malone fan to "not feel too bad" about that kind of thuggery.

One of my best memories of 2005 is that Elbows Malone didn't join the Spurs at the end of the year to gravy train that championship. We didn't need that kind of low-down dirt to win a championship, and we never will.

[miss paxton]

I still stand by my original thought and I don't expect Spurs fans to agree, but I think any other NBA fan would: If Stockton and Malone were dirty, Bruce Bowen is right there with them. I know he's your boy and your going to take up for him, just like I am with my guys, but he easily plays the game just as rough, if not rougher than those 2. In all reality, Karl was much bigger than Bowen, so it was always easier to tell when Karl had done some damage. However, I don't know if he ever resorted to blatantly kneeing people in the crotch, or karate kicking a Minnesota T-Wolve player in the face, but we tend to overlook those sorts of things when the player is on "our side".

Anyway, these 2 are no longer in Utah so I don't see the point. Revenge is not a factor because you cannot get revenge on them. I'm more interested in watching what I hope turns out to be a well played, clean series. Good luck to all.

This site is a good compilation of some of Malone's transgressions; pictures include him kneeing Olajuwon in the crotch and kicking Horry in the crotch.

I too hope for a well played series, and I look forward to Jerry Sloan not complaining about dirty play.

[Roxsfan]

So what time should I tune in to watch the game broadcasted at - 8:70pm eastern time


http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/index.html


ha, they fixed it. 3:30 eastern

[jazzman12]

A) Isiah ripping Stockton in the press
B) Malone putting 44 stiches in a man's face

How is (B) any kind of justification at all for (A)?

You know what. At the time, I don't think there was justification, but now that we have the benefit of history, I don't really give a if anybody feels Isiah didn't deserve it.

Since that incident, Isiah has never had a problem running his mouth to the press saying how dirty Karl was. Yet, this season he tells his players drop any Nugget player who enters the paint, trying to harm somebody in order to "send a message".

It's funny, I guess you can call one guy out for thuggery, then turn around and hide behind your coaches suit and tie and incite one of the worst on-court fights in NBA history.

Bowen can knee crotches, kick faces, and crowd players forcing jump-shooters to land of his feet and sprain ankles and he's a "tough compe or". Karl Malone drives to the hoop knee or feet first and he's "the dirtiest player of all time".

I'm sure if the Spurs had owned the Jazz during Stockton and Malone's time, they wouldn't be considered nearly as dirty as they are right now by Spurs fans. Did they push the envelope sometimes? Absolutley. Were they even underhanded every once in a while? yes. But if they were losing to your beloved Spurs at the time, I bet it just wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[Dipship31]

Eh, you could say you owe us, but in reality these teams were looking at really have no recollection of that time. If anything we owe you a little payback for the recent domination of us! We have to eventually win one there right? I mean we can't lose forever. Eventually it's gotta give and I just hope it's sometime in this series.

[Trainwreck2100]

Eh, you could say you owe us, but in reality these teams were looking at really have no recollection of that time. If anything we owe you a little payback for the recent domination of us! We have to eventually win one there right? I mean we can't lose forever. Eventually it's gotta give and I just hope it's sometime in this series.

Same city, same arena, same coach, close enough

[Dipship31]

Pop was only the coach for '98 wasn't he?

[FireSternin2007]

While this thread is quite entertaining, I guess I'll just say that every hall-of-famer has thousands and thousands of people that hate them for what they did to their team. It's actually quite flattering that there is so much rage for two players that have been retired for years. I say that if the other players would spend half the time working out that Malone did, they wouldn't have got pounded as badly. As for Stockton, all-time leader in steals, all-time leader in assists, no off-the-court incidences, no leaving his team for a bigger, better contract. His character off the court would suggest that he was just a tough compe or that played hard, too hard at times, because he wanted to win.

[STEVEYCU]

Worst Jazz player ever was Jeff Hornicek ....wtf was that he did before he shoot free throws

[FireSternin2007]

Worst Jazz player ever was Jeff Hornicek ....wtf was that he did before he shoot free throws

He was waving to his kids. I am being totally serious too. Not quite sure where the hate comes for Hornacek. Didn't play dirty, kept his mouth shut. Just a good shooter and a good guy.