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An entire post from Jeff without the word "fluke" anywhere.
As Commissioner Stern said yesterday, people are making the rule to be more difficult than it is: If you leave the bench during an altercation, you're suspended. PERIOD. Look no further into it, that's how it's enforced. Phoenix fans need to STFU, you had Game 6 with Amare and Diaw in it to try and win, and you didn't. Suns have been largely overrated all season just because of a superior record against junk teams and Eastern Conference teams. The Spurs had a better record vs. the West than Phoenix.
Someone answer this: If Amare and Diaw weren't suspended, how in the would the NBA enforce that rule in the future?
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An entire post from Jeff without the word "fluke" anywhere.
Maybe if he didn't act so upset about his lame decision being challenged, all the better.
Do you think it would help if these MSM sports and news channels put more focus on the stupity of the 95% of fans? They'd also have to blame themselves, wouldn't you agree?
I think he told them to shut the fluke up.
oooo... Trinity Graduate 1 Suns Fandom 0
This Commissioner can't win with some of you. He deals with all sorts of complaints about his league being fixed because of perceptions that stars are treatedly differently than others. Now, having applied a rule in a manner that is consistent with its application -- a mandatory penalty of suspension -- for over a decade to a star player, some are bent that the league isn't treating stars differently. WTF?
The media has only itself to blame on that issue. If the sycophant media hadn't been so intent upon the Suns playing through Round 2 and saving them from the horrors of another Spurs run deep into the playoffs, I don't suspect that there would have been such advocacy for a team or a cause on this issue.
I feel as if all of this has happened before.
And I fear that all of it will happen again.
I get annoyed when ignorant people bring up the same stupid here too.
It not their job to tell viewers they are stupid. Most TV exists to make you feel good about what you already believe. Most of the fans ignorant enough to believe that this was an unfair enforcement of an existing rule would probably like to think of themselves as rebels sticking it to the man. So playing to that fantasy is pretty easy for producers to pick up on.Do you think it would help if these MSM sports and news channels put more focus on the stupity of the 95% of fans? They'd also have to blame themselves, wouldn't you agree?
I dont understand why cant I have a conversation with some of you? I dont hate the Spurs for what happened. I understand that the Spurs fans dont like how some people are saying that this will be a tainted series If SA wins it all. I am not the one that said this. Why are some of you confrontational towards me? Did I piss you off?All SUNS fans are not bad.
When, and to whom?
What are you suggesting happened?
*Shakes head in shame*
All of the asinine arguments and obvious question dodging that are evident in this thread. They were all brought up in an earlier thread -- in this forum -- about this subject -- to me and others.
It has happened before. It will happen again.
Then you must really hate EVERY sports and news outlet in the country.
I said they should get over it. It won't change the outcome, or the fans perception.
I suppose we wouldn't be confrontational if you would bother to just answer the fairly simple questions that have been posed in this thread directly to you.I dont understand why cant I have a conversation with some of you? I dont hate the Spurs for what happened. I understand that the Spurs fans dont like how some people are saying that this will be a tainted series If SA wins it all. I am not the one that said this. Why are some of you confrontational towards me? Did I piss you off?
Specifically, why is it that the Suns and their players should be treated any differently than any other team/players that have ever dealt with a situtation like that one in NBA Playoff history?
For the most part, yeah. It takes awhile to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
I agree. I'm completely satisfied with being right. If anyone came up with a convincing argument to make the Phoenix Suns immune to NBA rules, I'd consider it.I said they should get over it. It won't change the outcome, or the fans perception.
OHHH crap here we go....... We wont agree on what happened. If it would have happened to the Spurs we would be in somewhat reverse rolls. This is not against the Spurs and I am not trying to make it so. I believe the SUNS got screwed as any team this could have happened to would have. I am not another team fan I am a SUNS fan. Nobody would have argued the point if there were no suspensions. But the powers that be did not want to look weak. So they upheld a rule that they did not even think was the correct thing to do. That in a nut s is what pisses me off!
I'm not sure how there can be any debate about what happened.
The Suns players broke the rule. All other players who've broken that rule have been suspended. Why should the Suns players who broke a rule be above suspension when every other player who has broken that rule has been suspended?
Again, in simpler terms, why are the Suns players en led to be treated differently?
Has every team that has ever had a player suspended by operation of the rule been screwed? Is that your argument? If so, then explain to me why the owners of those screwed-over teams have never once discussed changing the rule.
What would have happened had it been the Spurs is completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is: (1) the Spurs have faced similar situations in the past with Ginobili and nobody has ever come off the bench; and (2) no Spur came off the bench during Game 4. Now that your little red herring has been put to rest, I'd still be interested in your answer to the glaringly unanswered question posed above.
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How did they get screwed?I believe the SUNS got screwed as any team this could have happened to would have.
Another thought -- the question wasn't why the situation pisses you off. That would seem to be self-evident. Our question is whether you have any justifiable reason to be pissed off. I don't see how you can without acknowledging that you think the Suns' players should be treated differently than all other players have ever been in that cir stance. And, frankly, I think that's a horrendously weak argument.
With that said, I'd probably start my post off with "OHHH crap. . . " too if I was in the logically untenable position that you're in.
The SUNS were wrong the rule was upheld and I am Happy about it. Is that what Spurs fans want? Although the two of you are speaking I dont believe even most Spurs fans agree that the SUNS should have been suspended. I know others are reading these posts what are some other Spurs takes on this.
I don't want anything from you, other than an admission that your argument is based on your own biases and a belief that the Suns players somehow were en led to some sort of preferrential treatment.
All things considered, though, I think we've officially reached the logical end point of this discussion.
FWD just asked what he wanted and I asked for pretty much the same thing -- a reasonable argument why the Suns should not be subject to the wirtten rules of the NBA.
You'll find more than a few ignorant spurfans on this board.Although the two of you are speaking I dont believe even most Spurs fans agree that the SUNS should have been suspended. I know others are reading these posts what are some other Spurs takes on this.
Well, I'd sure like to know what I was banned for. Though I have a feeling it was just wrong place wrong time. I'm a fan who started posting during the Suns/Spurs series because it was the one I was most looking forward to. I posted during the series, and after the series was over, I said the Suns were outcoached and that's why they lost. I was most definately NOT trolling, I love the Suns. This got a thread started saying "Ban Arctic" or some such thing, basically because the less mature posters (like Gee!, who threatens to get into fist fights on a forumhahahahah
I'd ban you over there too for a post like this) didn't want to hear anything except "Stern jobbed us". Maybe I'm wrong.
Could you tell me, Mike?
This is sports you dumb ass! Of course it is a fans opinion.
So the decision about how to apply a black-and-white rule should just be a matter of fan opinion?
I don't get that at all. Again, your only argument is one seeking preferrential and unprecedented treatment for your team to save it from it's own foolishness. I don't see how that's even a defensible opinion. It would be not unlike me trying to argue that the Spurs should be given a 20 point lead to start every game in which they play. It might be my opinion, but it wouldn't be a very good one.
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