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    Manu is far and away the biggest flopper to ever play the game. It's ridiculous how much he does it, but he does it well enough to get the calls so credit him that much. All of you blind ass Spurs fans who say other are bigger floppers are just making yourselves look like idiots. Stop being such a damn homer for even 2 seconds and realize you have the biggest bag in the league on your team flopping every damn chance he gets. It's reasons like that that I am very thankful that the Suns went after Nash a few years back and not Ginobili, because the guy is just annoying, and I could never root for him, no matter how good he is.
    Bull, you'd take Manu on your team in a hot flopping second. Maybe then you would actually get to the finals. So, because you abhor flopping, if DWade were available to the Suns you would just say no?

    If you say yes then you're a hypocrite since you hate Manu for flopping and DWade is ten times worse.

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    maybe because this is a basketball oriented forum ?
    I wasn't taking about this forum, I was talking about the media in general. No one makes a big deal of the most obvious flopping in Football, where such an act can cost a team a possession in a sport where you only get a few a game. Much higher impact on the game when it occurs yet no one complains about it. Nice try though.



    I'm with Whottt on this one. Flopping is definitely a skill, an art form that should be embraced. Manu isn't the player who flops the most, but he is certainly at the top of the list of the best flopper in the game. The way the guy can embellish actual contact with such fluid motion and really sell it is awe inspiring. Fisher is also really good at it, but he's not nearly as convincing in his movement as Manu. Manu makes me double take sometimes when he does it - he's that good. Manu is so good that people are whining when he doesn't flop just because they can't tell the difference. That's talent.

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    Until then, please feel free to chime back from the shallow end of the pool with a "three rings" or "chokers" taunt, I haven't heard those before
    With coomments like the one below you should come and play with me in the shallow end of the pool because FWD, OV and other are way out of your league.

    Aw, poor wittle baby Spuhs and the constant cwiticism. I'm sure Manu will curl up in the fetal position on his bed and cry himself to sleep with his championship rings. Nobody sheds any tears for the dynasties. Some of you in the Spurs fanbase need to get over yourselves.
    Ohh and the fact you think Manu is a sissy make you look really intelligent.

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    With comments like the one below you should come and play with me in the shallow end of the pool because FWD, OV and other are way out of your league.



    Ohh and the fact that you think Manu is a sissy makes you look really intelligent.
    Fixed.

    What was that about lacking intelligence?

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    Fixed.

    What was that about lacking intelligence?


    Good one.

    I lack intelligence because I did not re-read my post.

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    This is garbage, aside from the insults he also advocates violence and what really got to me was


    The contamination hasn't spread that far yet. It's gotten to fellow South American Anderson Varejao (and perhaps also to this gentleman, who shared a hotel with Ginobili and then felt compelled to take an altogether different kind of dive), but no one else in the league is in Ginobili's same flopping class.
    That is disgusting!

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    I wasn't taking about this forum, I was talking about the media in general. No one makes a big deal of the most obvious flopping in Football, where such an act can cost a team a possession in a sport where you only get a few a game. Much higher impact on the game when it occurs yet no one complains about it. Nice try though.



    I'm with Whottt on this one. Flopping is definitely a skill, an art form that should be embraced. Manu isn't the player who flops the most, but he is certainly at the top of the list of the best flopper in the game. The way the guy can embellish actual contact with such fluid motion and really sell it is awe inspiring. Fisher is also really good at it, but he's not nearly as convincing in his movement as Manu. Manu makes me double take sometimes when he does it - he's that good. Manu is so good that people are whining when he doesn't flop just because they can't tell the difference. That's talent.

    Fisher is not as good at it as he used to be when he was with LA...but he's still one of the All Time Best Floppers based on past flops. I dunno, maybe he should be behind Stockton and Malone..

    The more I think about it...Malone was probably the best...he could flop while delivering an injury to the flopee...

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    Somebody get this guy a binky!!!!

    I would be whining too if the team that is kicking my butt, ruining my record, taking away my little flag that says, "Western Conference Champs", with shockingly good looks and GQ-esque like Manu were on that team....

    It's sad...it's just like high school. Nobody likes the smart kid with good looks!

    hahahahahaha!!

    We've ruined to NBA!! Everyone jump!! We need to like the whiney Suns and Soft Mavs!! I love how all the people that reply to this post in a negative way are Mavs fans....

    Did you catch a trout yet?

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    Man it would suck if the NBA turned into soccer, since you know, IT'S ONLY THE MOST POPULAR SPORT IN THE WHOLE ING PLANET!!!!

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    What's funny to me is the Spurs have a backcourt of perhaps the best flopper in the league and the worst flopper in the league. I wish that Parker would take lessons from Manu on how to flop.

    Parker gets hammered a lot but he's so good at keeping his balance that he accidentally sells no calls instead of fouls. If Parker had 10% of Manu's flopping skills, he'd go to the line ten times per game.

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    Parker gets hammered a lot but he's so good at keeping his balance that he accidentally sells no calls instead of fouls. If Parker had 10% of Manu's flopping skills, he'd go to the line ten times per game.
    Yeah, when he goes to the hole, and gets body bumped and falls to the floor, I'm always shocked how thats not a foul.

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    Yeah, when he goes to the hole, and gets body bumped and falls to the floor, I'm always shocked how thats not a foul.
    It's seriously because Parker isn't a good flopper. He'll fall to the ground but it's like an "oops I tripped" fall instead of an "OMG I just got murdered" fall.

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    It's seriously because Parker isn't a good flopper. He'll fall to the ground but it's like an "oops I tripped" fall instead of an "OMG I just got murdered" fall.
    hehe I can picture him saying that!

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    Yeah, in the exit interviews Pop needs him to

    "Get with Manu" on that

    , Oberto too.

    Oberto helped win game 3 vs Phoenix with his flop against Stoudamire.

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    You can almost hear Parker pardoning himself as he knifes through the D.

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    You gotta go with Bell, Harris, Varejao, Nash and Horry. Manu doesn't even crack the flopping top five.

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    I hope angry...
    http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05...ds-a-code-red/

    The Debriefing: Manu Ginobili Needs a Code Red
    Posted May 30th 2007 9:00AM by mjd
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    The Debriefing is a column that runs every weekday at 9:00 a.m. here on FanHouse. It goes deep into one issue and then bounces around to a plethora of smaller ones ... and does it all in a way that will make you feel like the prettiest girl at the cotillion. Bookmark this page, and visit daily.

    I'd never condone a fan throwing something on to the court, but Monday night in San Antonio, as foreign objects rained down on the Spurs, I've got to confess that I wouldn't have been terribly upset if a rusty tire iron flew down from the upper deck directly into Manu Ginobili's face.

    Let me be upfront about this: I'm a Spurs admirer. I strongly disagree with those who say the Spurs play boring basketball, and if I had to make a list of my favorite guys in the league to watch, Tim Duncan's probably going to be the first name on it. I'm even eager to admit that Manu Ginobili is a sensational talent.

    But I've grown to hate him. You should, too. We've all got something to lose with Manu Ginobili.

    I've long ago accepted flopping as a part of the NBA. Two people forced me to do so: Shaq and Vlade Divac. Shaq, because when he was in his prime, flopping was the only way to defend him. O'Neal's gargantuan proportions forced an offensive foul every time he moved towards the basket with a man behind him. But if you didn't exaggerate the effects of the contact, you weren't getting the call.

    And let's not downplay Vlade's role in this, because before Ginobili, he was the NBA's flop king. I don't know if it was the beard, the accent, the chain-smoking, or just that Vlade just seemed like lovable guy, but I could never be mad at Vlade for anything. He could put pornographic pictures of my grandmother on the Jumbotron at Arco, and I'd say, "Oh, that Vlade, he's such a kidder."

    Manu Ginobili, however, lacks that same charm.

    Before Ginobili, the NBA sort of had its own style of flopping, different and less offensive than what goes on in soccer. It used to be limited to post play and stepping in and taking charges as someone drove the lane. But now, this balding son of a strumpet will flop anywhere on the court, at any time, at any distance away from the ball, and for any amount of pretend contact. At this point, Manu Ginobili makes Vlade Divac look like Chuck Wepner.

    Let me also say that I know that Manu Ginobili isn't the only guilty party here. There are varying degrees of floppers all over the league, but Ginobili's made himself the standard-bearer. In Game 4 against Utah, his flop act was the lone reason that the sweet, harmless, completely non-aggressive Derek Fisher was ejected from the game.

    Fisher picked up his first technical after he turned to run up the floor, and gently brushed up against Ginobili, who then flew backwards like he had been hit by a Buick. Fisher ended up with a technical for unintentionally grazing Ginobili with his torso. Minutes later, Fisher picked up his second T when Ginobili flopped after Fisher actually did foul him on a three-pointer. I believe Fisher said something to insult Ginobili's masculinity, the ref heard it, and Fisher was ejected.

    What Ginobili's doing isn't normal, and it has to stop. I'm not merely saying that this is something I don't like, I'm not saying I want Manu Ginobili to lose. I'm saying that if those goes unchecked, I fear for the future of the NBA. I'm saying that I want Dawson and Downey to break into Ginobili's room and stuff a contaminated rag into his mouth before this goes any farther.

    It's not good for anyone. It's bad for fans, as the NBA gets farther away from honest compe ive efforts and closer to a contest of who can be the craftiest, sneakiest, most devious lowlife in the league. It's bad for the league because it pushes the NBA closer to soccer, which will lead to soccer-like TV ratings.

    And it's bad for the players because the honest ones who attempt to walk the straight and narrow. Manu Ginobili couldn't be doing more damage to the NBA if he showed up at the rookie symposium with a smallpox blanket.

    The contamination hasn't spread that far yet. It's gotten to fellow South American Anderson Varejao (and perhaps also to this gentleman, who shared a hotel with Ginobili and then felt compelled to take an altogether different kind of dive), but no one else in the league is in Ginobili's same flopping class.

    And that's why I'm not worried about this sounding like a gross overstatement. This is a problem that needs to be nipped in its Argentinian bud. Protecting the NBA from serial floppers should be the league's top concern this off-season. Yes, even more important than microfiber basketballs and what type of pants Samuel Dalembert is wearing when he shows up to the arena.

    I'd like to see a rule that makes a blatant flop a technical foul. I realize that it would be impossible to enforce this correctly, and that a ton of issues come along with it, but I don't care. If flopping backfires on a few of the repeat offenders and they get T'd up, the practice will slow down dramatically. This isn't something that the NBA will have to enforce vigorously for an entire year. Just show that it can happen, and the threat will be enough to keep floppers at bay.

    That's not enough, though. I'd like to see some kind of internal handling of the matter ... which brings us back to the Code Red. Whatever it was that Derek Fisher said to Ginobili to get himself ejected was somewhat justified. The game had been decided by that point, he didn't cost his team anything ... the only problem is that he didn't go far enough. Maybe Fisher shouldn't have said a word, he just should have looked at Ginobili laying on the floor, and kicked him in the mouth. The series is 3-1 anyway, and the Jazz are probably going to lose tonight. He might as well have done the rest of us a favor.

    Fisher's too sweet of a guy for that, though. I'm pretty confident that if I had ten minutes alone in a room with Ron Artest, I could convince him that messing up Manu Ginobili is a good thing for all of us, and it would finally get the public back on his side. I'm pretty sure that "Ron, Manu told me that everyone from Queensbridge is a pansy," would do the trick. And Ron Artest could solve all of our problems.






    I HOPE MANU SHOWS THE WORLD HOW HE FEELS BY DROPPING 40 pts on the jazz tonight...........PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN!!!

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    This might be the greatest article ever written, for how many journalistic rules it breaks. Consider that the author

    1) Advocates fan violence toward an NBA player
    2) Blatantly ignores or excuses all of Derek Fisher's flops and fouls
    3) Suggests that an NBA player's mother is a pros ute
    4) Suggests that two NBA players had sexual relations or would prefer to
    5) Gets the location of games wrong
    6) Advocates player violence toward another NBA player
    7) Ignores the fact that David Stern would bust a nut if the NBA were as popular as soccer is around the world.

    Well done, MJD, well done.

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    Aw, poor wittle baby Spuhs and the constant cwiticism. I'm sure Manu will curl up in the fetal position on his bed and cry himself to sleep with his championship rings. Nobody sheds any tears for the dynasties. Some of you in the Spurs fanbase need to get over yourselves.
    We don't want anyone to feel sorry for us, you ing idiot. Infact, we don't need it, since we're on our way to another championship. We're just saying that what this guy wrote is complete and utter bull .

    -Mars

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    This might be the greatest article ever written, for how many journalistic rules it breaks. Consider that the author

    1) Advocates fan violence toward an NBA player
    2) Blatantly ignores or excuses all of Derek Fisher's flops and fouls
    3) Suggests that an NBA player's mother is a pros ute
    4) Suggests that two NBA players had sexual relations or would prefer to
    5) Gets the location of games wrong
    6) Advocates player violence toward another NBA player
    7) Ignores the fact that David Stern would bust a nut if the NBA were as popular as soccer is around the world.

    Well done, MJD, well done.

    Wouldn't it be funny if Stern fined him??? Could he???

    The violence thing is what kills me! Manu is a person regardless if she flops or not...this is wrong to suggest someone do this!

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    The only difference between manu and other regular floppers, is that manu wins championships, wherever he plays. That gets on people nerves.
    lame whining article

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    It's seriously because Parker isn't a good flopper. He'll fall to the ground but it's like an "oops I tripped" fall instead of an "OMG I just got murdered" fall.
    Parker actually manages to fall while avoiding guys that might otherwise clobber him. Those calls are hard to justify if he's able to evade the fouler.

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    We don't want anyone to feel sorry for us, you ing idiot. Infact, we don't need it, since we're on our way to another championship. We're just saying that what this guy wrote is complete and utter bull .

    -Mars
    Ooh...Burn. Do they have school past 6th grade in San Antonio, or wherever you hail from? I know it's customary in some communities for children to enter the workforce in support of their parents at an early age.

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    he just should have looked at Ginobili laying on the floor, and kicked him in the mouth. The series is 3-1 anyway, and the Jazz are probably going to lose tonight. He might as well have done the rest of us a favor.
    Fisher's too sweet of a guy for that, though. I'm pretty confident that if I had ten minutes alone in a room with Ron Artest, I could convince him that messing up Manu Ginobili is a good thing for all of us, and it would finally get the public back on his side
    what's wrong with this guy? He thinks he needs Ron Artest to teach Manu a lesson to stop his flopping. Mess up with Manu? He didn't see the blackeye? You can do what you want with Manu but you can't stop him from playing his best because he has a mission-win the game.

    The site must ban fans from writing like this-players inflicting harm on other player And just to "do him or us a favor". What favor? He's one example of a fan who shld watch the game at home than in the arena.

    so inconsistent. He's against on fans throwing something on players but suggesting players to give code red to players just to teach him a lesson about what-flopping which is not a crime. Come on. He's such a loser.

    he thinks Manu would stop what he's doing just to help this team win games? I don't think so..

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    Ooh...Burn. Do they have school past 6th grade in San Antonio, or wherever you hail from? I know it's customary in some communities for children to enter the workforce in support of their parents at an early age.
    You know what the best part of this idiotic post is? I don't live ANYWHERE NEAR San Antonio, and yet you desperately try to bash...the SCHOOL SYSTEM? I happen to attend a private high school in Virginia; the school is known for its academics.

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