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    But when they hailed a QB who was statistically similar to McNabb (Brady) to Montana they were perfectly in line?
    How many Super Bowl rings does Brady have vs. McNabb?

    I'm sure Rush thinks Brady is great. Brady is statistically similar to McNabb. Rush thinks McNabb is mediocre. I see a problem with his objectivity in that analysis.
    Post the side by sides, let's compare. But, you can't argue with results. Super Bowl Rings are one category Brady flat smacks McNabb down on.

    Plenty of people talking about televised post-game summaries, game commentary, and pre-game shows were full of Brady worshipping in the time period leading up to the Limbaugh comment, too. Again, if Brady is great and McNabb is statistically similar (at least in terms of a universal metric used to measure QB's) why wasn't Rush out of line in mischaracterizing McNabb and seeking to inject race into that analysis?
    Again, New England, with Brady at the helm, has won 3 Super Bowls. He deserves accolades.

    Yeah, it is ridiculous for you to leave out the single biggest measuring criteria.

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    Wow, Yoni really jumped to the defense of the white quarterback quickly.
    Yeah, it is ridiculous for you to leave out the single biggest measuring criteria.
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    How many Super Bowl rings does Brady have vs. McNabb?

    Post the side by sides, let's compare. But, you can't argue with results. Super Bowl Rings are one category Brady flat smacks McNabb down on.
    Side-by-sides, like I did above? Okay.

    Ranking in QB Rating
    2001
    McNabb 7
    Brady 6

    2002
    McNabb 8
    Brady 9

    2003
    McNabb 16
    Brady 10

    2004
    McNabb 4
    Brady 9


    Again, New England, with Brady at the helm, has won 3 Super Bowls. He deserves accolades.
    Philadelphia, with McNabb at the helm, appeared in 4 consecutive conference championship games. Brady's team was #1 in the league in 3 of the 4 years noted above. McNabb's was no worse than 4th in each of the years noted above. In the one year that Brady's team didn't win the Super Bowl, his team didn't even qualify for the playoffs. In that year, McNabb's played for the conference championship.

    My point isn't to suggest that McNabb was better than Brady; it's to dispel your nonsensical argument that McNabb was overrated.

    And don't tell me that McNabb's defense carried him to such heights without any intervention by Donovan. In the Patriots last 2 Super Bowl years (2003 and 2004), their defense was ranked #1 and #2 in the NFL. If the Eagles' defense carried McNabb, then I'm hard pressed to understand why Brady somehow carried the Patriots' defense to championships.

    Yeah, it is ridiculous for you to leave out the single biggest measuring criteria.
    It's not the single biggest measuring criteria, because football is a team game. Teams win championships, not quarterbacks. You choose to call it the single biggest measuring criteria because it supports your argument. I doubt that you believe that Trent Dilfer or Ben Roethisberger were better entering last season than Peyton Manning, but if championships are the single biggest measuring criteria (or even a single biggest measuring criteria) you would have to say that each of those guys was better than Manning -- and, I suppose, that Manning was really just mediocre. But then again, Peyton is caucasian, which might tilt the balance in his favor to at least look at his stats, despite the fact that McNabb has played in more conference le games and as many Super Bowls without ever having gone through the sort of playoff flameouts that Peyton has.

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    Side-by-sides, like I did above? Okay.

    Ranking in QB Rating
    2001
    McNabb 7
    Brady 6

    2002
    McNabb 8
    Brady 9

    2003
    McNabb 16
    Brady 10

    2004
    McNabb 4
    Brady 9

    Philadelphia, with McNabb at the helm, appeared in 4 consecutive conference championship games. Brady's team was #1 in the league in 3 of the 4 years noted above. McNabb's was no worse than 4th in each of the years noted above. In the one year that Brady's team didn't win the Super Bowl, his team didn't even qualify for the playoffs. In that year, McNabb's played for the conference championship.
    Super Bowls, Baby!

    My point isn't to suggest that McNabb was better than Brady; it's to dispel your nonsensical argument that McNabb was overrated.
    Hey, I posted an article, written contemporaneously to the event, by a Sports Illustrated author who said McNabb was overrated...he just disagreed with it having to do with any media conspiracy to hype a black athlete.

    Argue with him. He's certainly more familiar with the incident, and better qualified to comment, than am I.

    And don't tell me that McNabb's defense carried him to such heights without any intervention by Donovan. In the Patriots last 2 Super Bowl years (2003 and 2004), their defense was ranked #1 and #2 in the NFL. If the Eagles' defense carried McNabb, then I'm hard pressed to understand why Brady somehow carried the Patriots' defense to championships.
    To paraphrase the majority of the comments I saw in the articles I read when I google "Brady vs. McNabb," McNabb sucked in clutch situations and Brady stepped up and pulled his team out of more than a few jams. Again, you're arguing with the wrong person on this.

    I say Super Bowl rings determine the difference between Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb.

    It's not the single biggest measuring criteria, because football is a team game. Teams win championships, not quarterbacks.
    I beg to differ. There are quarterbacks who, through their leadership and refusal to give up, (and play calling) have led their teams to Super Bowl wins -- against the odds.

    You choose to call it the single biggest measuring criteria because it supports your argument. I doubt that you believe that Trent Dilfer or Ben Roethisberger were better entering last season than Peyton Manning, but if championships are the single biggest measuring criteria (or even a single biggest measuring criteria) you would have to say that each of those guys was better than Manning -- and, I suppose, that Manning was really just mediocre. But then again, Peyton is caucasian, which might tilt the balance in his favor to at least look at his stats, despite the fact that McNabb has played in more conference le games and as many Super Bowls without ever having gone through the sort of playoff flameouts that Peyton has.
    I didn't follow any of their seasons. I was merely commenting on the McNabb phenomenon back when Limbaugh made his comment. And, to my credit, I found a reputable sports outlet -- Sports Illustrated -- that agreed. McNabb was overrated.

    Now, the only argument I see left is whether or not he was being overrated because he was a black quarterback or for some other reason.

    What's your take?

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