Finley to stay with Spurs

[cherylsteele]

Bonner is a slow ass whiteboy...I really don't get the appeal.

I don't see Fabs breaking any speed record anytime soon, but fans like him because he is a smart player, hustles, does alot of the little things, etc.

Bonner can shoot, he hustles, not afraid to bang or do some "dirty" work. He was really playing well up until he hurt his knee and he never got back in the rotation because Pop had really had it set for the playoffs by the time Bonner got back.

Everyone want the next coming of MJ, but you can't have everything, you tske what you can get or already have.

[cherylsteele]

That's one game...

Barry has never shot .083 for a series like Finley did in the finals....in the finals!

In fact, coming into this season, he was the best post season 3 shooter in Spurs history(min 40 something shots).

Double standard.

And Finley was the guy afraid to take a shot in the finals.

Okay, Finley had a bad finals series...so did Brent...even worse.

After all that...
Finley 3.8 pts/gm
Barry 3.0 pts/gm

Barry shot "better"...but not by much and still got out scored by Finley.

Compare that to the entire playoffs and Finley wins hands down.

Finley .410 fg% .419 3pt% 11.3 pts/gm

Barry .350 fg% .306 3pt% 3.1 pts/gm

3.1 pts/gm from Barry? And you think he is a better player? Finley out-rebounded Barry and had the sames assists/gm avg....1.1.

Did you even watch the games? Or look at the final stats of the year?....they are easy to find.

[bdictjames]

Brent will help us in the regular season to get a good seeding, while Finley will peak up in the playoffs.

[MoSpur]

Its great news to see Finley is coming back. I wouldn't mind keeping Barry, but mainly as a backup to Tony Parker. Use the money for the backup point on someone else.

[Fabbs]

Only because he's a genius GM...he's his own worst enemy as a coach. Always gets good talent(even in hte years the Spurs ed up)...does not always play it...

Will play a choking scrub defensive hustle guy over a guy that can hit shots when we are blowing leads...90% of the time.

whottt can you post a pic of 4 coattails?

[Phenomanul]

Whatever...at least Shane Heal could hit a 3 against the Lakers...that was reason enough to keep him on the roster, as it ranked him ahead of just about every shooter we had in the 3peat era.

Brent Barry is a very good basketball player that has contributed to two le teams....and he continually gets glossed as a ty player, and a choker, because Pop doesn't play him...because he doesn't like his D.

Meanwhile...Finley can suck ass all of the regular season and put up the worst finals performance by a Spurs player ever...and it's nothing but a lovefest.


Brent Barry took less money to sign here too...and he wasn't getting 20 million year on the side.


Spurs fans have a double standard against Barry, they have had it from day 1, they have it inspite of verfiable statistical contribution....

They ignore virtually everything he does that is positive and focus entirely on the negative...

And if you think I am the only one who shares this perception...you are wrong.

If you can give me another reason besides a racial one...I'd like to see it.

Count me in as one of those supporters...

Barry's alleged 'ineffectiveness' is due to the defensive minded schemes that define Pop's style..err... the Spurs' style of play.... The same schemes that unfortunately limit Barry's potential impact.

Were he allowed to play the back-up point guard position... his passing, and ability to run the offense, would help alleviate the detrimental impact of his defensive lapses. Instead, they ask him to play the role of a spot-up shooter, a role he can play - but not one where he would be a consistent contributor, or one where he would excel.

People seem to forget that Barry was one of the few Spurs players that showed up all season - from Game 2 on forward (he didn't play in Game 1). If not for a back injury, that cost him his 'psuedo-starting' job, who knows how his excellent rhythm would have translated into the playoffs.

Unlike whottt however, I don't hold any grudges towards Finley... I'm glad we have both players.

[T Park]

Were he allowed to play the back-up point guard position... his passing, and ability to run the offense, would help alleviate the detrimental impact of his defensive lapses

I've seen it all now.

[coopdogg3]

I've seen it all now.

Have you seen a man eat his own head?

[SpursFanInAustin]

Unlike whottt however, I don't hold any grudges towards Finley... I'm glad we have both players.

Same here. I like both players, but with Finley opting to stay 1 more year, Barry definitely is more expendable, and I wouldn't mind to see James White(!) take his minutes next year to provide more youth, athleticism, quickness, and slashing ability on the perimeter. I know Barry can also slash, but doesn't do it enough on the Spurs system, he'd probably fit well on a team like Phoenix.

[Phenomanul]

I've seen it all now.

You may not wish to admit it... but your Barry hate is as bad as Whottt's Finley hate....

Both of you all have reached indefensible extremes, beyond what a mere impassé would produce.

Why do you think that Barry excelled in the 05' series vs. the Suns? Could it be that Pop's out-running them approach was more conducive to Barry's effectiveness. You know, that same series where his defensive schemes took a back-seat to said strategy? This style naturally catered to Barry's talents... and allowed us to see his value under such offensively oriented schemes. That is... when we get the opportunity to run such schemes.

Seriously, can you explain this phenomenon without the use of single phrase snipets, or tangential one-liners. It's nothing personal... simply an observation. Barry is a much better player than you give him credit for.

[ChumpDumper]

So Barry vs. Barbosa....great matchup....

We won without changing our entire style to fit our ninth man.

[Switchman]

atta boy Fin.

I don't give a damn what happens in the regular season as long as we at least get the 8th seed and are in the playoffs.

[easjer]

I'm with Phenomanual (and to some level with whottt).

I'm actually sad that Fin exercised his option, I'd personally hoped that he'd opt out, because I like Barry more, and think he was far more consistent than Fin.

And I agree with MB that this means a long sad goodbye for me in regards to Brent. It is not feasible to keep them both - both suffer for it. If they moved Brent to primary back-up point, it could maybe work, but White needs more playing time if they are keeping him . . . and Barry is eminently tradeable now, with 2 rings, a decent season in a 'starting' capacity and most glorious of all, an expiring contract.



Fin's all right, I guess, but I'd personally have preferred Barry.

[ChumpDumper]

I was hoping we could get rid of them both so we'd have something new to about.

[easjer]

I was hoping we could get rid of them both so we'd have something new to about.

Ooooo! Good plan!

Like what? I'm ready to about anything. Give me a topic and 30 seconds, and I'll give you a great profanity laden tirade!


(i hate the offseason, particularly as it coincides with tv's offseason)

[whottt]

Okay, Finley had a bad finals series...so did Brent...even worse.

After all that...
Finley 3.8 pts/gm
Barry 3.0 pts/gm

Who played more minutes?

Who underplayed their regular totals the worst?

Barry shot "better"...but not by much and still got out scored by Finley.

Finley got more minutes and was starting...

You don't see how that could be a factor in the differentials?

That's a case of you being a bad analyst...not Finley outplaying Barry.

Compare that to the entire playoffs and Finley wins hands down.
Finley .410 fg% .419 3pt% 11.3 pts/gm

Barry .350 fg% .306 3pt% 3.1 pts/gm

3.1 pts/gm from Barry? And you think he is a better player? Finley out-rebounded Barry and had the sames assists/gm avg....1.1.

Did you even watch the games? Or look at the final stats of the year?....they are easy to find.

Do you understand what a minute is?

[Magic_Johnson]

Why do you think that Barry excelled in the 05' series vs. the Suns?

He had a good game 1 and that's all

[whottt]

Same here. I like both players, but with Finley opting to stay 1 more year, Barry definitely is more expendable, and I wouldn't mind to see James White(!) take his minutes next year to provide more youth, athleticism, quickness, and slashing ability on the perimeter. I know Barry can also slash, but doesn't do it enough on the Spurs system, he'd probably fit well on a team like Phoenix.

Eh...

I think Finley is showing signs of decline...unlike Barry.


I think it's a mistake to dump Barry unless you know this past season from Finley was the aberration...

I don't think it is. He was showing signs of decline in Dallas...that's why they cut ties with him. He did turn the clock back his first season here...but last year was what I was expecting him to do his first year here.

And guys...Finley is not clutch.


I am for moving Barry if you can get a younger SF....but I'd still rather have him than Finley, as he can impact a game in more ways...and he's showing less signs of decline.

[SpursFanInAustin]

Eh...

I think Finley is showing signs of decline...unlike Barry.


I think it's a mistake to dump Barry unless you know this past season from Finley was the aberration...

I don't think it is. He was showing signs of decline in Dallas...that's why they cut ties with him. He did turn the clock back his first season here...but last year was what I was expecting him to do his first year here.

And guys...Finley is not clutch.


I am for moving Barry if you can get a younger SF....but I'd still rather have him than Finley, as he can impact a game in more ways...and he's showing less signs of decline.

I can understand the logic, but I do feel Finley is clutch....He hit a lot of game tying and winning shots his first year here. He balled his ass off against the Mavs in 06, and if it weren't for Bavetta's lame touch foul call on Bowen when Dirk lowered his shoulder into Bruce at the end of regulation to send him to the line to tie the game and force OT, Michael Finley would've ended up hitting the game winner for the Spurs at Dallas and tying the series at 2-2, and you'd probably have a different result in the series. That game pissed me off more than Game 3, when Duncan got his 6th foul when Dirk stepped on his foot. That gave Dallas a 3-1 series edge and loooooooads of confidence to beat the Spurs. I'll always hate Game 4 from that year. As far as Barry goes, I just don't like his hesitance to shoot when he's open. If he misses a couple early shots, he'll lack confidence and never shoot for the rest of the game. I like Finley's aggressive and he's not willing to stop shooting (Now I know that's a double edged sword, ie Van Exel). I also think altho both aren't great defenders, Finley's a little better. He definitely has grasped the concept of Spurs basketball and his defense has improved within the scheme.

I would like to keep both, since if one is off, the other guy might be able to step in and provide better shooting. But I wouldn't mind seeing a younger guy coming in and provide more slashing.

[Spurologist]

FIN to remain with the spurs.

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[Marcus Bryant]

At least Finley will take the open shot. And as much as whottt tries to mischaracterize Finley's postseason, he was huge in the first 3 rounds. Nobody outside of the Big 3 had a good Finals anyway.

Now the Spurs have to be willing to take back a contract and they may be able to get some value out of Barry's exit.

[T Park]

At least Finley will take the open shot. And as much as whottt tries to mischaracterize Finley's postseason, he was huge in the first 3 rounds. Nobody outside of the Big 3 had a good Finals anyway

I'm sure this will be spun.

[judaspriestess]

I am happy he is staying. I'd like to see our team stay mostly intact.

Beno should be gone, I have always felt the guy does not like playing in SA and obviously wants more playing time, who can blame him.

[velik_m]

Finley wouldn't get any more money if he opted out.

[cherylsteele]

Who played more minutes?

Who underplayed their regular totals the worst?

Reg Season 2007 Finals 2007 playoffs

Barry 8.5 pts/gm 3.0 pts/gm 5.5 pts/gm drop 3.1 pts/gm


Finley 9.0 pts/gm 3.8 pts/gm 5.2 pts/gm drop 11.3 pts/gm



In comparison they both performed poorly in the finals....pretty equally...you just keep saying the Finley was sooooo much worse than Barry in the finals which isn't really true at all.

But for the playoffs overall Finley played circles around Barry by a country mile. Barry has some good qualities but more often than not he struggles mightily in pressure situations. Finley struggled less than Barry in the playoffs as a whole. Okay, minutes were a ways apart but Finley did so many other things better than Barry when Barry did play. The only thing Barry did statistically better than Finley is shoot free throws....Barry only shot 2 for 2 FT's....Compare to 44-105 (.897) for Finley. That is a big reason why he didn't play alot. He was way too passive on the offensive end.

That's a case of you being a bad analyst...not Finley outplaying Barry.

Barry is a good passer and a decent ball handler but his "D" is piss-poor. Finley's is a higher level of poor and he seems to be giving a more concerted effort at it than Barry. Barry doesn't use his abilities like he should/could, that is my problem with him. He just shoots jumpers most of the time and doesn't drive to the hoop when should either.

I think Finley is showing signs of decline...unlike Barry.

Barry has already declined.