Bogut takes shot at NBA players, U.S. culture

[Kamnik]

I'd rather a guy not suck and showoff than suck and not.

your honor, i object!

just joking.... everyone has his own opinion


per say-i cant stand Gilbert Arenas and on the other hand i love Brent Barry

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

SO why are you defending Bogut because he never had to live with Black People in Austrailia? It doesn't make him smarter...and he's not speaking from a position of experience...


I know you are on some side issue about how the fact that he sucks shouldn't prevent him from having an opinion...it shouldn't...but the opinion is a stupid and generalizing one...and there is plenty there to criticize, whether he sucks as a player, or not.

I'm not defending him.

Show me where I've flat-out defended his thoughts. You know why you won't, because you can't.

You're exactly right in your second statement, I am on a side issue. I'm always on the side issue of allowing people to say whatever they want, however bad it may be. I always will be on that side and I will always defend people on those side to say whatever the they want.

Yes, everybody has their god-given right to their opinions, however ill-informed or unpopular they might be. Defending those rights are not and will never be outright defense of those opinions, but of the people's rights to say them - whether they be first-round draft busts or guys on message boards.

You're smarter than that, whottt, and you know it. Maybe one of these days, I'll probably stop jumping at people coming after me stupidly, but I doubt it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Addendum:

And Bogut's not one of them based on this interview. Not even close. Basically he doesn't show off...BFD, I'd rather a guy not suck and showoff than suck and not.

What about guys that suck and showoff?

[whottt]

in most foreign countries (like Slovenia or Australia) you are being soaked with American (and diferent sub-cultures in it) on daily basis

Oh really?

Would you mind telling me which posters on this forum are the Black Slovenians and Australians?

Thanks...in advance.


See..you just learned something you never had to think about before.

you see films, do entaries, talk to many people who travel there and today many people go there for a vacation etc

he got a lot of experience before and even more now as he lives there

LMAO...I know you guys watch American movies...those aren't real. And neither are most of the do entaries.

he knows what he is talking about if you ask me

He doesn't have a clue of having to deal with it in the same way as Americans do...

Exactly where is he supposed to glean that experience from...aside from movies and tourists I mean...

you dont need to be a geniuss to get to know a county and its mentality in a couple of years

Yeah...just direct me to a Black Slovenian(or Australian or Argentine for that matter) that isn't a novelty, and I'll concede the point. And don't bring up Aboriginees or Native Americans either...because we have those too, and those aren't what I am talking about...those are 1/50th of what I am talking about.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

(I'm not trying to go either way on this point, but you learn something new everyday).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentines

[whottt]

What about guys that suck and showoff?

They suck the worst

At least Bogut has the decency to not showoff when he sucks...now if he'd just learn to shut up and keep his backwater social commentary to himself...I wouldn't blast him for being an Aussie hick.

[Kamnik]

So your point is i cant ever even remotley understand a black person and why he acts as he does if im not black?

sorry for this word but: BULL

Black Americans are just as special or unspecial as many other nations, ethnic groups,religions etc.

And yes i have black friends and have regular contacts with them. Maybe not in person but nevertheless.

Then you cant ever comment on how Slovenians are because you are not Slovenian and dont have any Slovenian/German/Russian/whatever friends in person.

Thats narrow minded my friend.

[whottt]

So your point is i cant ever even remotley understand a black person and why he acts as he does if im not black?

sorry for this word but: BULL

I'm saying you haven't got a ing clue about dealing with racial and ethnic diversity compared to the average American. On an every day basis, on a social basis. It's not even ing close. No country in Europe does...and neither does Australia or Argentina.


[quote]Black Americans are just as special or unspecial as many other nations, ethnic groups,religions etc. /quote]

And you miss the point entirely...which proves my point.

And yes i have black friends and have regular contacts with them. Maybe not in person but nevertheless.

Then you cant ever comment on how Slovenians are because you are not Slovenian and dont have any Slovenian/German/Russian/whatever friends in person.

Thats narrow minded my friend.

I'm sure Bogut has a ton of BlackFriends...but he what he doesn't have is a background of coming from a country with 1/10th of the ethnic, racial and cultural diversity of America...and it shows. The same as it does with you. I don't care how many Black Friends you have.

[Kamnik]

I'm saying you haven't got a ing clue about dealing with racial and ethnic diversity compared to the average American. On an every day basis, on a social basis. It's not even ing close. No country in Europe does...and neither does Australia or Argentina.

Not even ing close,huh?

So i guess you been allover Europe huh?


You heard about a place called Balkans?




And compared to an average American me and Bogut can find the NY city on a world map

[whottt]

If a Black Slovenian is too hard to find...how about an Oriental? or a Hindu? That isn't a novelty...


Are you getting it yet?

[whottt]

Not even ing close,huh?

So i guess you been allover Europe huh?

Actually I have.

You heard about a place called Balkans?




And compared to an average American me and Bogut can find the NY city on a world map

You know what I can find in America...


More Jews than Israel...


Even more than Europe...why do you think that is?


Becuase you guys are so culturally tolerant. That's why.

[Kamnik]

If a Black Slovenian is too hard to find...how about an Oriental? or a Hindu? That isn't a novelty...


Are you getting it yet?

Ok.... you win. America is 9999x more diverse than Europe.

Good night.


p.s.

funny but we have quite some orientals and Hindus here

[whottt]

You probably think getting along with other Europeans is a sign of cultrual tolerance...

[ArgSpursFan]

To have a big diversity of ethnics groups doesn´t make Americans much better,since most of Imigrants go to the U.S to do the dirty work,like working on the field under the sun for 10 hours a day,or doing housekeeping for less tham minimal hourly pay ,etc.
And the funny thing is that when they are not needed anymore,just make a big ass wall in the border line ,and have a special border line patrol.Not phobics at all.

[whottt]

Classic...

[ArgSpursFan]

but trully

[E20]

LMAO It's Whott vs The Rest of the World.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

wow I just came back and man did this thread blow up. First of all Whottt I think you're overreacting to what most people are saying here.

It was my understanding that what Bogut did was talk about NBA players and their need to show off and attract attention. This is blatantly evident, weather one chooses to look at that fact as a bad thing or a good thing is a different issue. As far as the freedom of expression goes, I was criticizing Essay's claim that just because Bogut has a point of view on the subject he should just leave. That's bull . I never said Essay doesn't have the right to say anything. In the end though it is the way Essay says its all opinions, its just that the only one advocating someone just leave if they don't like the way things are is Essay there.

Having said that, every American I've met without exception is utterly and completely convinced of their superiority as a nation and isn't ashamed to throw that fact in your face. I don't mean they get in your face about it, but it sure keeps coming up in every conversation. Its not the fact that you think your country is the best that bothers people, its the fact that you never get tired of telling us. Plus there's the bombardment of American nationalism in songs, movies, etc. People get tired of it all. I agree part of it is jealousy, no doubt. However, from your posts, it seems as though you seriously don't get why people think American's are arrogant. Arrogance with reason of course, but reasonable arrogance is still arrogance and its annoying.

On the other hand, there is a lot of hate towards the US that isn't warranted. Weather its due to ignorance, jealousy or some other reason, the US seems to garner a lot of blame that isn't particularly theirs. US seems to be the popular scapegoat for world problems now a days, and therefore it does seem as if it can do no good in the world's eyes, effectively overshadowing the enormous amount of good this nation does every day. This is not to say I believe the US can, actually, do no wrong. God knows I disagree with a ton of things Bush's administration is doing, but I do believe the US should receive as much credit for their good deeds as they seem to get for their mistakes. Right now, that isn't happening.

Everybody here knows I'm from Argentina, or at least the ones I'm speaking to, do, and I think most Argies here aren't deluded enough to think we can compete with the US in anything other than perhaps a little culture and sports. Does that mean I can't criticize the US? Nobody is above criticism. I know my country sure as isn't. The list of whats wrong with my country probably comprises the first ten chapters of the "How to up your country without anybody knowing it" manual. I can see whats wrong with my country, and I like to think I'm doing my part to fix these things.

What I'm saying is just because the man is from Australia, doesn't mean he can't express his opinion about how he sees the NBA and America, and it also means he should be able to express his opinion without people telling him to leave the country. Of course this is all theory. In the end telling is not forcing, Essay wasn't forcing Bogut into anything, which is, I think what, you're talking about whottt. As far as I'm concerned I was criticising that way of thinking.

[ArgSpursFan]

I aint against nobody,but I hate people saying ¨I´m not phobic¨when most of people in the world tends to be that way.that doesnt mean you can´t have friends from other ethnics groups.But to say I don´t discriminate it´s just pure homerism.
there´s always someone saying,this ing whity,this fuking ######,this ing mexican,or whatever,and when you say that you are discriminating,you like it or not.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I aint against nobody,but I hate people saying ¨I´m not phobic¨when most of people in the world tends to be that way.that doesnt mean you can´t have friends from other ethnics groups.But to say I don´t discriminate it´s just pure homerism.
there´s always someone saying,this ing whity,this fuking ######,this ing mexican,or whatever,and when you say that you are discriminating,you like it or not.

hey bro, phobic isn't the word you're looking for. phobic means fear of sexuals

[ArgSpursFan]

hey bro, phobic isn't the word you're looking for. phobic means fear of sexuals

OK,Now I know why I don´t like you.
I´m an phobic my self.

[O-Factor]

[QUOTE=PM5K
It's so stupid to invest your money in a crib, everyone knows realestate is a bad investment, and spending 80K dollars on a car when you only make 16 Million is absurd...


[/QUOTE]

ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

OK,Now I know why I don´t like you.
I´m an phobic my self.

no, you don't like me because you're an ignorant er that spews bull take after bull take and doesn't like when people call him on it, THAT's why you don't like me. As far as the part about you being phobic, I suppose you know yourself better than anybody, so I'd say you're probably right. By the way, phobia could stem from sexual confusion and denial, you think that's your problem? think about it

P.S. I'll be looking forward to the imminent private message threat as usual, should be fun to read

[ArgSpursFan]

no, you don't like me because you're an ignorant er that spews bull take after bull take and doesn't like when people call him on it, THAT's why you don't like me. As far as the part about you being phobic, I suppose you know yourself better than anybody, so I'd say you're probably right. By the way, phobia could stem from sexual confusion and denial, you think that's your problem? think about it

ouch,Did I hurt your feelings,...... ?

[ArgSpursFan]

. By the way, phobia could stem from sexual confusion and denial, you think that's your problem? think about it

It looks like you already came out of the closet.Good for you.