Suns land Hill

[ArgSpursFan]

Am I the only Spurs fan who thinks this is a good signing by the Suns?

No your not.I was the one who said that Hill could´ve been a great add for this team to play the buckup PG pos,and I´m sure that´s gonna be his role with the suns.To give some rest the Nash for like 10 Mpg and being on the floor in the last minutes of the game.
BTW for all those who dont know much of Hill in the last years,he can play the PG better tham any other starting PG in the league.That means better tham Beno and J.V. too.

[TwoHandJam]

An average of 38 mpg for the Suns starters? Are you serious?

Shawn Marion, 80 starts: 37.6 mpg
Raja Bell, 78 starts: 37.4 mpg
Steve Nash, 76 starts: 35.3 mpg
Amare Stoudemire, 78 starts: 32.8 mpg
Leandro Barbosa, 18 starts: 32.7 mpg
Boris Diaw, 59 starts: 31.1 mpg

Barbosa is not a starter. Bell and Marion log 38 while Nash is close behind. Amare logged over 36 the last time he was fully healthy. The only reason his minutes are down is because he was still recovering from the surgery.

Let's not play dumb here. It's no secret D'Antoni's rotations are too short since he has no bench to speak of outside of Barbosa. He overplays his starters and they usually run out of gas in the postseason. Playing Hill starter's minutes would be madness. He'll likely back up Nash and maybe play spot minutes when Bell is rested.

[nfg3]

This is a a good signing by the Suns. With the bi-annual exception he comes pretty cheap. But the health issue remains key. He had his best season in 6 years last year but hasn't played over 30 games in 4 out of the 6. At 35 he could snap at any time. And with all the running he is going to do it will be a wait and see thing. Though he wont have as much contact in the running game as he would in a half court one. That may be a plus for Hill. I thought that with the Spurs type of half court sets this would be a better fit for him. Oh well! He might regret this come playoff time. But he is an upgrade over Jones.

[Reggie Miller]

Good signing for the Suns?
Yes.

Make an impact on the playoff picture?
Maybe.

The "missing piece for a championship?"
No way.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So your NEW argument is that the Spurs will force an Oberto-Hill isolation off of pick and rolls?

I would LOVE to see a FINLEY-OBERTO pick and roll!!!



POPOVIC! Sign this guy to your staff! HURRY!

Btw - youre just making yourself look stupid. Youre trying to back-pedal out of your original argument that either Nash or Hill would have to guard Oberto. Now you are saying that Hill will have to guard Oberto off pick n rolls with Finley...but everyone will have to, at some point, guard everyone using that philosophy!

What else you got?

I'm not backpedaling out of anything, just showing it as another example of how that matchup would end up.

You keep thumping your chest about matchups, yet are willing to admit that for every mismatch Hill could possibly create for SA, another one exists on defense for the Suns.

You guys have exactly one competent defender in Bell. And with Ginobili in the game (I'm operating off what your coach did this year in the playoffs), you had Bell guarding Manu, and Matrix out guarding Parker.

So:

Marion on Parker
Raja on Manu (and Raja also guarded Finley when he was in, so take Raja out of the Tony Parker defense idea and put Marion on him, like your coach did).

Who does Nash, Hill, and Amare guard? I'd love to hear your explanation on this one.

You've got to account for Tim, Oberto, and Bowen with Amare, Hill, and Nash.

Your coach is afraid to put Amare on Tim, but would have to in this case for obvious reasons, so that leaves Oberto and Bowen for Nash and Hill.

Who guards who?

[SpursFanInAustin]

Hill would've gotten a bigger role than that for the spurs.

Well let's see

Parker, Finley, Bowen, Duncan, and Oberto make out the starting 5.... Ginobili, Vaughn, Elson, Horry are back another year off the bench, that leaves Barry, Beno, and Bonner who are still under contract. At best he takes Barry's minutes off the bench in spot duty.

[dg7md]

Hill will play like 10 games.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hill will play like 10 games.

Take that back. Hill is the bestest ever. He will be able to shut down Duncan and Parker all by himself, and will average 40 a game [/da suns fan]

[Marcus Bryant]

Hill for the minimum isn't bad, but this move doesn't really do much for them vis a vis the Spurs.

[da_suns_fan__]

I'm not backpedaling out of anything, just showing it as another example of how that matchup would end up.

You keep thumping your chest about matchups, yet are willing to admit that for every mismatch Hill could possibly create for SA, another one exists on defense for the Suns.

You guys have exactly one competent defender in Bell. And with Ginobili in the game (I'm operating off what your coach did this year in the playoffs), you had Bell guarding Manu, and Matrix out guarding Parker.

So:

Marion on Parker
Raja on Manu (and Raja also guarded Finley when he was in, so take Raja out of the Tony Parker defense idea and put Marion on him, like your coach did).

Who does Nash, Hill, and Amare guard? I'd love to hear your explanation on this one.

You've got to account for Tim, Oberto, and Bowen with Amare, Hill, and Nash.

Your coach is afraid to put Amare on Tim, but would have to in this case for obvious reasons, so that leaves Oberto and Bowen for Nash and Hill.

Who guards who?

At what point will you admit that you were wrong and stop changing your argument?

To refresh, you claimed that Hill or Nash would have to guard Oberto, but I pointed out that that theory was just plain stupid looking at the matchups. So now you are claiming that when Manu Ginobili subs ues in, the Suns will have to have Grant Hill or Steve Nash cover Oberto and want to know how the Suns will solve that matchup problem.

So what you have done is pick out a hypothetical Spurs lineup (but NOT the starting lineup) and claim that a certain hypothetical Suns lineup won't match up well against it and want to know what the Suns will do when THAT HAPPENS!!!

Ok...here comes your answer..its really good so I want you to be ready....here it comes....you ready?




























Make a subs ution.

Game over. I win.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

At what point will you admit that you were wrong and stop changing your argument?

To refresh, you claimed that Hill or Nash would have to guard Oberto, but I pointed out that that theory was just plain stupid looking at the matchups. So now you are claiming that when Manu Ginobili subs ues in, the Suns will have to have Grant Hill or Steve Nash cover Oberto and want to know how the Suns will solve that matchup problem.

So what you have done is pick out a hypothetical Spurs lineup (but NOT the starting lineup) and claim that a certain hypothetical Suns lineup won't match up well against it and want to know what the Suns will do when THAT HAPPENS!!!

Ok...here comes your answer..its really good so I want you to be ready....here it comes....you ready?

Make a subs ution.

Game over. I win.

ing A. You are a dumbass. This isn't a hypothetical. D'Antoni realized about midway through the first quarter of game 1 that Raja couldn't stay in front of Parker, so he played Marion there the rest of the series.

Your argument is solely based on the idea of Raja guarding Parker, which your coach, based in reality, not on some internet pissing match hypothetical (like you), realizes that's an idiotic idea and will be playing Marion on Parker.

So again, given that fact, your whole 'put Marion on Oberto, game over I win' argument is already bunk thanks to your team's head coach.

What is so ing hard to comprehend about that?

Matrix is on Parker.
Raja is on Ginobili.

You have Nash, Hill, and Amare left for Duncan, Bowen, and Oberto. Aside from the obvious reality of Amare on Tim equals instant foul trouble for Stoudemire, I'll give you that matchup.

You've got Nash and Hill to check Oberto and Bowen. Who gets the honors of getting posted up all day inside for the Suns?

[quote]So what you have done is pick out a hypothetical Spurs lineup (but NOT the starting lineup) and claim that a certain hypothetical Suns lineup won't match up well against it and want to know what the Suns will do when THAT HAPPENS!!![/qutoe]

Again, the Spurs started: Parker, Finley, Bowen, Oberto, and Duncan this year against Phoenix.

In that lineup, your coach chose to play Marion on Parker because Bell couldn't keep up. This isn't some hypothetical like you desperately cling to as an argument against me, this is the reality of your team and its play this post-season vs. the Spurs.

This isn't about subs utions, it's about the reality of your team and its matchup problems.

And are you now proposing that your coach will have to alter his regular season lineup just to attempt to match up with the Spurs (albeit poorly)?

Now that's game over, my friend.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I would've much rather had PJ Brown, but I'll settle for Hill, especially for that price.

Oh, and as for our "missing piece", it has nothing to do with the personell. It's the head coach.

[gilmor]

[QUOTE=Aggie Hoopsfan] ing A. You are a dumbass. This isn't a hypothetical. D'Antoni realized about midway through the first quarter of game 1 that Raja couldn't stay in front of Parker, so he played Marion there the rest of the series.

Your argument is solely based on the idea of Raja guarding Parker, which your coach, based in reality, not on some internet pissing match hypothetical (like you), realizes that's an idiotic idea and will be playing Marion on Parker.

So again, given that fact, your whole 'put Marion on Oberto, game over I win' argument is already bunk thanks to your team's head coach.

What is so ing hard to comprehend about that?

Matrix is on Parker.
Raja is on Ginobili.

You have Nash, Hill, and Amare left for Duncan, Bowen, and Oberto. Aside from the obvious reality of Amare on Tim equals instant foul trouble for Stoudemire, I'll give you that matchup.

You've got Nash and Hill to check Oberto and Bowen. Who gets the honors of getting posted up all day inside for the Suns?

So what you have done is pick out a hypothetical Spurs lineup (but NOT the starting lineup) and claim that a certain hypothetical Suns lineup won't match up well against it and want to know what the Suns will do when THAT HAPPENS!!![/qutoe]

Again, the Spurs started: Parker, Finley, Bowen, Oberto, and Duncan this year against Phoenix.

In that lineup, your coach chose to play Marion on Parker because Bell couldn't keep up. This isn't some hypothetical like you desperately cling to as an argument against me, this is the reality of your team and its play this post-season vs. the Spurs.

This isn't about subs utions, it's about the reality of your team and its matchup problems.

And are you now proposing that your coach will have to alter his regular season lineup just to attempt to match up with the Spurs (albeit poorly)?

Now that's game over, my friend.

No point arguing cos he never watched the playoffs..

[dbestpro]

The Suns base alot of what they do by Nash driving and kicking out to the three point shooter. Hill is a career 25% 3pt shooter. Look for the scoring average to go down for the Suns by a ratio of at least 1:3, meaning for every 3 ponits Hill averages the Suns will average 1 point less from what they did last year. In other words they better hope D'Antonio plays hims as much as Rose, which is not much as all.

[exstatic]

[da_suns_fan__]

ing A. You are a dumbass. This isn't a hypothetical. D'Antoni realized about midway through the first quarter of game 1 that Raja couldn't stay in front of Parker, so he played Marion there the rest of the series.

Your argument is solely based on the idea of Raja guarding Parker, which your coach, based in reality, not on some internet pissing match hypothetical (like you), realizes that's an idiotic idea and will be playing Marion on Parker.

So again, given that fact, your whole 'put Marion on Oberto, game over I win' argument is already bunk thanks to your team's head coach.

What is so ing hard to comprehend about that?

Matrix is on Parker.
Raja is on Ginobili.

You have Nash, Hill, and Amare left for Duncan, Bowen, and Oberto. Aside from the obvious reality of Amare on Tim equals instant foul trouble for Stoudemire, I'll give you that matchup.

You've got Nash and Hill to check Oberto and Bowen. Who gets the honors of getting posted up all day inside for the Suns?



Again, the Spurs started: Parker, Finley, Bowen, Oberto, and Duncan this year against Phoenix.

In that lineup, your coach chose to play Marion on Parker because Bell couldn't keep up. This isn't some hypothetical like you desperately cling to as an argument against me, this is the reality of your team and its play this post-season vs. the Spurs.

This isn't about subs utions, it's about the reality of your team and its matchup problems.

And are you now proposing that your coach will have to alter his regular season lineup just to attempt to match up with the Spurs (albeit poorly)?

Now that's game over, my friend.

Whoa sprout! What happened to your Ginobili subs ution theory?!!!!!

Is that the sound of you retreating?


So you are NOW stating that Bell guarding Parker isn't a possibility because the Suns didn't do that last year (and because its too damning to your argument).

Well Im gonna let u in on a little secret...ready?

The Suns didn't have Grant Hill last year! Look it up! He played for the Magic!

This leads me to the conclusion that Grant Hlll in the Phoenix Suns lineup would change the dynamics of the matchups (because theres a new player involved). I believe that our coach would take a minute or two to adjust his defensive matchup and put Bell on Parker.

Your say you don't believe Bell can guard Parker even though Parker doesn't have a jump shot and Bell made the all defensive 1st team.

Tony Parker isn't even a top 5 pg in this league.

I like Bell's chances.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The Suns base alot of what they do by Nash driving and kicking out to the three point shooter. Hill is a career 25% 3pt shooter. Look for the scoring average to go down for the Suns by a ratio of at least 1:3, meaning for every 3 ponits Hill averages the Suns will average 1 point less from what they did last year. In other words they better hope D'Antonio plays hims as much as Rose, which is not much as all.

Because as we all know, the only way to score points is with three point shooting. Hill is infinitely better than James Jones.

[timvp]

Because as we all know, the only way to score points is with three point shooting. Hill is infinitely better than James Jones.

Except for that Jones was actually a pretty good defender and could even buy some time against Elson and Oberto because of his height. Hill is no doubt a better offensive player ... outside of shooting.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Except for that Jones was actually a pretty good defender and could even buy some time against Elson and Oberto because of his height. Hill is no doubt a better offensive player ... outside of shooting.

Jones is the same height as Hill. And the best part of Hill's game (and the one most valuable to the Suns) is his passing ability so our system can run while Nash is resting. Plus he isn't a pussy like Diaw.

While I still think that head coach and PF/C are bigger needs, Hill is a great signing.

[timvp]

Jones is the same height as Hill. And the best part of Hill's game (and the one most valuable to the Suns) is his passing ability so our system can run while Nash is resting. Plus he isn't a pussy like Diaw.

While I still think that head coach and PF/C are bigger needs, Hill is a great signing.

Jones has like a 7'+ wingspan that makes him play bigger than 6-foot-8. Defensively there is no contest between Jones and Hill.

Like I said earlier, Hill will be good to have on the floor the 8 or so minutes Nash sits in the playoffs. The other 40 minutes is how I don't understand how he fits ... against the Spurs, at least.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Jones has like a 7'+ wingspan that makes him play bigger than 6-foot-8. Defensively there is no contest between Jones and Hill.

Like I said earlier, Hill will be good to have on the floor the 8 or so minutes Nash sits in the playoffs. The other 40 minutes is how I don't understand how he fits ... against the Spurs, at least.

Against the Spurs I agree, he should only get like 15 or so minutes per game. But that's just because we'll be playing Kurt alot more.

[greens]

Your say you don't believe Bell can guard Parker even though Parker doesn't have a jump shot and Bell made the all defensive 1st team.

Tony Parker isn't even a top 5 pg in this league.

I like Bell's chances.

Tony Parker was the MVP of the finals. He's now very consistent with his jump shots. And Tony has 3 rings...what do the other top 5 pgs have? And Tony is considered to be in the top 5, by the way...

So I like Tony's chances...

[hsxvvd]

He really owed it to Orlando to stay, for the absolute minimum, he's not a great player but for that price he could have helped an already improving team...

Totally agree! Considering Orlando paid him such a ridiculous amount of money for so little games actually spent on the court!

But then again, the Magic stung Milicic, so maybe this is Karma.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Your say you don't believe Bell can guard Parker even though Parker doesn't have a jump shot and Bell made the all defensive 1st team.

Tony Parker isn't even a top 5 pg in this league.

I like Bell's chances.

I don't have to believe jack . Your coach came to that conclusion and played Matrix on Parker an entire series

All Bell's NBA First Team Defensive Honors got him was the job of turnstile when it came to trying to check Tony Parker, and a reassignment of duties to guarding one Manu Ginobili.

D'Antoni's reality > dunce fans internet rambling.

Game ing over.

[mavs>spurs2]

da_suns_fan has been getting owned in multiple threads today.