Young Spurs seek roster spot - Butler shows he can play somewhere, while White lacks

[Spurs Brazil]

Trade Butler will be a terrible decision

If they trade him they must get a good wing prospect in return

Trade him for draft picks will be awful

[drmvp]

I think he will sign a new contract if he stays in europe and I rather get a little for Scola than nothing.

Am I the only one who'd rather Scola stay forever in Europe than to trade him for tiddlywinks? Do you really trust a second round pick in the hands of these Spurs' scouts anymore? After the Marcus "Slow-Poke" Williams selection, I don't.

Even more importantly, I don't want to spend the next 5-8 years banging my head against the wall in frustration as I watch Scola have a potential Carlos Boozer-like impact for some other team. I've had enough banging-of-the-head watching Josh Howard, thank you.

And, also, you're placing a very talented bigman in the league who would play with passionate rage each time he faced the Spurs. Who knows, one day he could wind up on PHX, Dallas or whoever and be the deciding factor in a playoff series. His fire and intensity could become a rallying point and inspiration for his comrades.

As I've said: pay him, play him, pimp him, and parlay him.

Sell high. Otherwise, let him rot.

[5ToolMan]

What's un ing real is how you continue to deflect all blame from Pop and Holt

What is unreal is the Spurs just won their 4 trophy and have been the best team in all team sports during the time Holt, Pop and RC have been in charge, and some ass hats are talking about blame for any of these three.

The whinning es need to change their depends ... or become Celtic or Sixer fans so they can look like they have a clue when the cry.

[drmvp]

Am I the only one who'd rather Scola stay forever in Europe than to trade him for tiddlywinks? Do you really trust a second round pick in the hands of these Spurs' scouts anymore? After the Marcus "Slow-Poke" Williams selection, I don't.

Even more importantly, I don't want to spend the next 5-8 years banging my head against the wall in frustration as I watch Scola have a potential Carlos Boozer-like impact for some other team. I've had enough banging-of-the-head watching Josh Howard, thank you.

And, also, you're placing a very talented bigman in the league who would play with passionate rage each time he faced the Spurs. Who knows, one day he could wind up on PHX, Dallas or whoever and be the deciding factor in a playoff series. His fire and intensity could become a rallying point and inspiration for his comrades.

As I've said: pay him, play him, pimp him, and parlay him.

Sell high. Otherwise, let him rot.

Say the Spurs had drafted Josh Howard. Now, imagine that Howard had suffered a career-ending knee injury in his very first summer league game and never played a game for the Spurs.

Well, the Spurs are now 3-peat champions.

It's not just who plays for your team. It's also who doesn't play for the other team.

And for Heaven's sake, don't even think about giving Scola to Chicago for a first round pick (a low pick anyway) and/or Duhon. The Bulls are closer than some realize, and they could easily meet the Spurs in the Finals. Don't give the Bulls a chance to work a little Nocioni-Scola Argentinean voodoo against the Spurs.

[whottt]

I like Butler, but I don't think it's automatically a bad idea to trade him...just depends on what we can get for him...yeah, a second round pick is too little...ditto for Scola.


This article doesn't say what the Spurs are willing to trade Butler for...if it's just a second round pick...horrible. But if you can get more than that...because he is a bigman that can score pretty effectively...I think you have to consider it.

I can tell he really wants to be a part of this team and I am pulling for him to make it because I can tell he's trying...but the way he just camps out under the Spurs basket 40% of the time grates on me...I know he cares and is just gassed, but it's a horrible habit he has and it's not one I ever want to see in a regular season Spurs game, by any big. It kinda sucks the energy out of the rest of the team.

He can at least hit the floor like he's hustling for a ball, or fake an injury or something, when he wants a breather, like all the other bigmen do....don't make it so obvious.

Anyway...I am surprised the Spurs want to move him so badly they will publicly admit it, but it could be because they want to move him to fill a need....a greater need than bigman. And maybe this is just a ploy to get better offers for him by pitting some teams against each other.


He seems like a good kid and it does seem like he's trying really hard to be a Spur, but that dragging up the court thing...it just doesn't work for me and I can see why it bothers the Spurs a little too...especially since we all know Pop won't put him on the court if he does that.

Edit: the most annoying thing for me when he does it is that he seems so slow and lumbering...but he's really not. He's really pretty quick for a guy with his bulk once he gets it in gear...once he actually moves...deceptively quick IMO.

[Supergirl]

Butler should stay, at least till midseason, and see if they can work him into the rotation. Sounds like he has a lot of potential and we could use some youth at the C position.

White sounds like he'll be cut, which is disappointing, because I had hopes for him being the next coming of Bowen.

[mountainballer]

The Bulls are closer than some realize, and they could easily meet the Spurs in the Finals. Don't give the Bulls a chance to work a little Nocioni-Scola Argentinean voodoo against the Spurs.

I think the Spurs did realize this. they will prefer to deal with a team like (just guessing) Nets or Bobcats.

btw. Bobcats: now that they have agreed with Gerald Wallace, they are overladed at SF (Wallace, Morrison, Herrmann, Dudley), but very thin at PF. (even if Herrmann and Dudley play some PF). May is almost always injured, Okafor has to play mostly center, Harrington's time is over.
they desperatly need some low post scoring, if they want to get into the POs. (as Jordan stated)
their other areas of need are also areas, where the Spurs could offer something. (back up PG, shooters, size)

[objective]

All this Butler talk should remind people that the reason they are close to 3 million over the tax level is because of the last contract they agreed to . . . Matt Bonner for 3 million per.

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and re: Mahinmi as a defender . . . fouls aside, an interesting tidbit about Mahinmi is that in the euroleague, his blocks/per40 minutes rate was the same as Luis Scola, who everyone hates on as a defender. Make of that what you will.

[picnroll]

Does anyone here really think Butler's defense has shown any potetnial whatsoever? Has anyone here seen Butler beat a single other player down the floor? Has anyone here seen Butler get a rebound that wasn't within 3 feet of him? Is there anyone here that doesn't wish the Spurs had had an open space on the roster that Butler left last year and used it to sign Justin Williams? If Butler is the Spurs answer the future truly sucks.

[spurster]

It's seems that the argument is about who sucks the least. All of these guys need a few years in Europe or the NBDL.

[Darkwaters]

Would we consider a Butler for Walter Hermann trade?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

[QUOTE=T Park]Pop is my daddy, so I'll deflect all blame to R.C.[\QUOTE]

What is unreal is the Spurs just won their 4 trophy and have been the best team in all team sports during the time Holt, Pop and RC have been in charge, and some ass hats are talking about blame for any of these three.

The whinning es need to change their depends ... or become Celtic or Sixer fans so they can look like they have a clue when the cry.

What is unreal is defending a front office that is on course to dump a lot of its cheap young talent in favor of standing pat with an ancient and still aging rotation of players.

The championships are great, but the Spurs don't operate in a vacuum. Other teams are trying to get better to beat them, we didn't have to face the one team built to beat us (Dallas), and after next year we've got all of 5 players under contract.

Couple that with the fact the Spurs seem to have already decided that two guys who have played zero combined minutes in the NBA (Splitter and Scola), partially probably due to salary cap considerations, and the front office deserves calling out.

Holt, Pop, R.C., all three of them.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I like Butler, but I don't think it's automatically a bad idea to trade him...just depends on what we can get for him...yeah, a second round pick is too little...ditto for Scola.


This article doesn't say what the Spurs are willing to trade Butler for...if it's just a second round pick...horrible. But if you can get more than that...because he is a bigman that can score pretty effectively...I think you have to consider it.

I don't mind trading him if it gets us our coveted long SF. The problem is you can easily read between the lines and see the Spurs are looking to trade him wherever they can to get under the luxury tax threshold. Which means draft picks and trade exceptions, no players coming back.

[mountainballer]

Would we consider a Butler for Walter Hermann trade?

i would. anytime.

[Soul_Patch]

the spurs front office just stinks of arrogance in my opinion. These teams are very VERY close to beating us last year...they are all making moves to improve.


I honestly don't like our chances of a repeat, and even bleaker outlook for years to come...

They seem to always be totaly disinterested with any future prospects...im really at a loss as to what will happen when 1 or 2 of the big three drop, and pop calls it quits...are we just gonna hang a sign on the door saying, out of business? Houston is -------> that way....


arghh..

[Gros Membres!]

White and Butler both suck. I don't think it's too much to ask young players to show the potential that they can put together a quality game and fit into a system based on the needs of the team. I've always thought these guys were a long shot and I wouldn't be surprised if Butler is shipped for a trade exception and White is cut.

Good riddance. Maybe now instead of trolling around for band-aids the FO will see the need to spend some money on a prospect or make some moves to acquire one.

[Gros Membres!]

i would. anytime.

What's the difference between Hermann and Oberto?

Hermann
Born: June 26, 1979
Santa Fe, Argentina
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225 lbs.
Age: 28
Pos: F
2007 Salary: $1,800,000

Oberto
Born: Mar 21, 1975
Height: 6-10 / 2,08
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111,1 kg.
From : Argentina
Years Pro: 2

One inch and twenty pounds. Probably a little salary as well after the deals are finalized. Charlotte just re-upped Hermann. Why the would they now trade him to us when they have their wings and front court shaping up?

[VaSpursFan]

Would we consider a Butler for Walter Hermann trade?

i would pull the trigger on that. hermann is a player. i watched him throw up numbers late last season with the bobcats. he's a player. i didn't know what to expect from him but he showed me a lot.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

White and Butler both suck. I don't think it's too much to ask young players to show the potential that they can put together a quality game and fit into a system based on the needs of the team. I've always thought these guys were a long shot and I wouldn't be surprised if Butler is shipped for a trade exception and White is cut.

Good riddance. Maybe now instead of trolling around for band-aids the FO will see the need to spend some money on a prospect or make some moves to acquire one.

We're up against the lux tax. They won't be spending money. , they have the MLE to use this year when guys like Barnes and Biedrins are available, and they are keeping it tucked away in their back pocket.

[ploto]

I have tried to tell you what the Spurs plans are for Butler but all I got was called a racist. Don't shoot the messenger. They aren't going to get back some great SF prospect- they want to dump salary.

The Spurs are all set to have 2 cheap big men- Ian and Splitter- by virtue of their first round draft status.

[VaSpursFan]

What's the difference between Hermann and Oberto?

Hermann
Born: June 26, 1979
Santa Fe, Argentina
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225 lbs.
Age: 28
Pos: F
2007 Salary: $1,800,000

Oberto
Born: Mar 21, 1975
Height: 6-10 / 2,08
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111,1 kg.
From : Argentina
Years Pro: 2

One inch and twenty pounds. Probably a little salary as well after the deals are finalized. Charlotte just re-upped Hermann. Why the would they now trade him to us when they have their wings and front court shaping up?

hermann played small forward, aggressive, capable 3 point shooter, boards well...he'd be a great long 3 or small ball 4. a uva lot better than bonner. that would be a nice exchange IMO

[Marcus Bryant]

What's the basketball reason for letting Butler go for nothing?

[Marcus Bryant]

What's really driving this? The Spurs have him under contract for next season on a small salary and they can bring him back for one more after that, once the bigman rotation thins out a little. So what if he isn't good enough to make the All-NBA 1st Defensive team? Develop him.

Why can't the Spurs just come out and state that they don't want to pay the luxury tax? That's a bit better than dumping on a young bigman who's shown that he is committed to the team and improving his game.

[Marcus Bryant]

Further, what low post scorers do the Spurs have other than TD? Last season the Spurs' offense was stymied when they had no one to go to in the post. A player like Butler would help to keep TD's minutes down in the regular season and give the Spurs a wrinkle they haven't had before.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Keep Butler. Trade Barry.