10,000 B.c.

[Avitus1]

So yeah this movie looks like a rental.

[O-Factor]

"no one is falling for your bull "

First of all, I don't give a you stupid . I'm not out to "convert" people like those of your faith do on a constant basis.

Secondly, if you read all of this thread, as well as the "GOD" thread, you'll find that there are others who share my view.

Furthermore, I'm not atheist. I'm more of an agnostic. I don't believe in your god. I don't want to. I don't like organized religion. I believe that there is something more . . . but to characterize this "thing", whatever it may be, as something that is more like man, complete with emotions, is just ridiculous.

I don't give a what you think. But, if I don't agree with it, and if you're going to make a push for it, I'm going to call you out for it.

If you don't like it, you can stop responding. But, I don't think you will. I might be wrong on that, but I don't think you'll stop because you've been conditioned to protect and defend your god like if you were a soldier of god. And, that's pretty sad.

Such hatred for Christianity. What did your daddy the minister rape you when you were a kid. Is that where it all stems from?????Yeah that it isn't it. All this hatred bottled up because of daddy.

"I don't give a what you think" Then don't. The fact that you repond to every repy on here tells us you DO give a . It just bugs you that there are Christians who dare challenge you. Then you call people your silly little names like " , dumbass, etc." and then tell people they are not responding inteligently. Don't be a man and grow the up. You are one of the more childish people on here.

"if you don't like it then you can stop responding" Ha, spoken like true coward. What a sad petty person you are.


o peewee. o!!!!! Are you deaf? Nobody gives a what you think little peewee...

[peewee's lovechild]

I was reading through the thread, mainly for entertainment purposes, and then came across this post.

Earlier in the thread you used the classic 'problem of evil' to refute the existence of God (or Gods as the case may be). Now, the basis of the using evil as a refutation of the existence of God is that God, by nature, must be infallible and good, good hence cannot allow evil to exist.

Which if I note, is a very human problem, good and evil are human constructs. Applying dualistic concepts to God is the application of human construct to what should be an unknowable being.

However, here you indicate that applying human concepts to a "thing" is...what were your words..."ridiculous" correct?

So, which is it? Is the problem of evil an effective contradiction to the existence of God, or is God/First Mover unknowable by humans, and as such concepts of dualism cannot be applicable?

Just curious, respond or don't at your leisure.

I said that there was so much suffering going on, not evil. My whole point is that there was this great, all powerful, loving god . . . then why is there so much suffering. Why would this great and benevolent god allow the creatures that he created to suffer so much? What is his purpose?? Isn't he supposed to be a loving god? Would a loving god just sit there and watch his own creations suffer while they clamor to him?

You're right. Good and evil are human constructs. Have you ever read the bible. The Old Scriptures have god being happy, jealous, angry, sad, vengeful, and violent. The New Scriptures don't show that much in terms of emotional range, but he does get pissed off when Jesus dies (something that he knew was going to happen) and he changes the weather and creates an earthquake in response. These are all human emotions, human constructs that have also been attributed to god.

So, it is ridiculous to make god out to be this great and magnificent being when he acts just like a human . . . and he sometimes acts childish (if you don't worship me I shall banish you to ).

I hope I explained myself.
If I didn't, I'm sure you'll let me know.

[peewee's lovechild]

Such hatred for Christianity. What did your daddy the minister rape you when you were a kid. Is that where it all stems from?????Yeah that it isn't it. All this hatred bottled up because of daddy.

"I don't give a what you think" Then don't. The fact that you repond to every repy on here tells us you DO give a . It just bugs you that there are Christians who dare challenge you. Then you call people your silly little names like " , dumbass, etc." and then tell people they are not responding inteligently. Don't be a man and grow the up. You are one of the more childish people on here.

"if you don't like it then you can stop responding" Ha, spoken like true coward. What a sad petty person you are.


o peewee. o!!!!! Are you deaf? Nobody gives a what you think little peewee...

If nobody gives a , why are you still responding?
The funny thing is that you're a dumb and you don't even know it.

Me calling people silly names?? Yea, you got me there. Score one for you. Good job. But, what do you call all those stupid little angry smilies and the fact that you flipped me off? You're the child little one.

Anyway, I started this thread so I can check on it all I want and post and respond whenever I want. Even if I didn't start the thread, I still reserve that right.

But, you still haven't countered with anything at all.
Nothing.
You continue to be insignificant.

You're nothing.

Ed Helicopter Jones, L.I.T., Extra Stout and others have come up with logical arguements and have all posted very interesting and valid points. Meanwhile, all you can do is flip the finger and post angry smilies.

I'm impressed.

Really, find something else to do before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

[TheZackAttack!]

If nobody gives a , why are you still responding?
The funny thing is that you're a dumb and you don't even know it.

Me calling people silly names?? Yea, you got me there. Score one for you. Good job. But, what do you call all those stupid little angry smilies and the fact that you flipped me off? You're the child little one.

Anyway, I started this thread so I can check on it all I want and post and respond whenever I want. Even if I didn't start the thread, I still reserve that right.

But, you still haven't countered with anything at all.
Nothing.
You continue to be insignificant.

You're nothing.

Ed Helicopter Jones, L.I.T., Extra Stout and others have come up with logical arguements and have all posted very interesting and valid points. Meanwhile, all you can do is flip the finger and post angry smilies.

I'm impressed.

Really, find something else to do before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

Dude, GET A GRIP. Sorry your Pop raped you.

[O-Factor]

If nobody gives a , why are you still responding?
The funny thing is that you're a dumb and you don't even know it.

Me calling people silly names?? Yea, you got me there. Score one for you. Good job. But, what do you call all those stupid little angry smilies and the fact that you flipped me off? You're the child little one.

Anyway, I started this thread so I can check on it all I want and post and respond whenever I want. Even if I didn't start the thread, I still reserve that right.

But, you still haven't countered with anything at all.
Nothing.
You continue to be insignificant.

You're nothing.

Ed Helicopter Jones, L.I.T., Extra Stout and others have come up with logical arguements and have all posted very interesting and valid points. Meanwhile, all you can do is flip the finger and post angry smilies.

I'm impressed.

Really, find something else to do before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

, Its funny, this insignificant person I am sure did get your panties in a wad. EVERYTHING I told you in my previous post, you are repeating, or rather copying. Ahem...This is you in a nuts "No, you stop responding, No you are a child, you flipped me off, you are nothing, quit it" Thats you...thats what you sound like. So basicaly you want to berate people for being Christian, talk to them and call them names, whatever, but you don't want anyone to come back and berate you. Thats what's ideal for you right?

And in my posts I will use smily faces whenever the I want.
I think I'll use them more often now.
And yeah I am trying to come off as an ass towards you, but I fear I may never be as big as one as you are.

So Im nothing and your an asshole. At least we have our les now.

[atlfan25]

I said that there was so much suffering going on, not evil. My whole point is that there was this great, all powerful, loving god . . . then why is there so much suffering. Why would this great and benevolent god allow the creatures that he created to suffer so much? What is his purpose?? Isn't he supposed to be a loving god? Would a loving god just sit there and watch his own creations suffer while they clamor to him?

You're right. Good and evil are human constructs. Have you ever read the bible. The Old Scriptures have god being happy, jealous, angry, sad, vengeful, and violent. The New Scriptures don't show that much in terms of emotional range, but he does get pissed off when Jesus dies (something that he knew was going to happen) and he changes the weather and creates an earthquake in response. These are all human emotions, human constructs that have also been attributed to god.

So, it is ridiculous to make god out to be this great and magnificent being when he acts just like a human . . . and he sometimes acts childish (if you don't worship me I shall banish you to ).

I hope I explained myself.
If I didn't, I'm sure you'll let me know.

Well because I feel like being devil's advocate for a moment I will respond. Why does the christian God allow suffering? I guess that would be assuming people want a God that controls what they think and do. That would be the only way to insure there is no suffering. So what do I think a christians response to the the question of why would God just sit there and let it happen? Because he gave us free will and he understands that true judgment comes in the next life.

But what you seem to be saying with all that is that you don't believe word for word how God is and acts based on what the Bible says. I would agree since a lot of it seems to simply be human interpretation of what they believed to be God way back in those times. Since he gave us free will it is illogical that he would interfere with us as much as it is stated in the Bible.

[peewee's lovechild]

Dude, GET A GRIP. Sorry your Pop raped you.

Yea, that was witty.
I don't know how to come back from that one.

[peewee's lovechild]

, Its funny, this insignificant person I am sure did get your panties in a wad. EVERYTHING I told you in my previous post, you are repeating, or rather copying. Ahem...This is you in a nuts "No, you stop responding, No you are a child, you flipped me off, you are nothing, quit it" Thats you...thats what you sound like. So basicaly you want to berate people for being Christian, talk to them and call them names, whatever, but you don't want anyone to come back and berate you. Thats what's ideal for you right?

And in my posts I will use smily faces whenever the I want.
I think I'll use them more often now.
And yeah I am trying to come off as an ass towards you, but I fear I may never be as big as one as you are.

So Im nothing and your an asshole. At least we have our les now.

A very intelligent retort.

And, if you can actually read (because your talking with your head up your ass) you will see that I'm talking about ALL organized religions.

So, yea, respond with taunts all you want . . . post cute little smilies all you want . . . don't say anything remotely intelligent . . . it's your perogative.

I'm done with you now.
I'll leave you to respond with some sort of nonsense.

[peewee's lovechild]

Well because I feel like being devil's advocate for a moment I will respond. Why does the christian God allow suffering? I guess that would be assuming people want a God that controls what they think and do. That would be the only way to insure there is no suffering. So what do I think a christians response to the the question of why would God just sit there and let it happen? Because he gave us free will and he understands that true judgment comes in the next life.

But what you seem to be saying with all that is that you don't believe word for word how God is and acts based on what the Bible says. I would agree since a lot of it seems to simply be human interpretation of what they believed to be God way back in those times. Since he gave us free will it is illogical that he would interfere with us as much as it is stated in the Bible.

I can agree with most of that.

It all comes down to free will and the "true judgement" that comes after death. Why give people free will and them condem them for what they do with it? And, why live your entire life here on Earth if it really doesn't matter because there is another member's only destination?

These are only some of the problems I have with religious doctrine/philosophy.

But, really, my biggest problem is: Why would a god that is supposed to be so benevolent, so loving, be so willing to let people suffer. I've never been given a concrete answer to that. The answer that god is testing people is a complete cop out. People are not meant to suffer. It is irrational to think that people will develop a sense of loyalty and love to someone that makes them suffer. "Free Will" doesn't explain suffering. Millions upon millions of people suffer in this world through absolutely no fault of their own. Why would god just sit back and let this happen if he truly loves his children?

And, just to make it clear, this applies to all the major religions of the world. They all think they have the only "true" god. And, they all believe that they are the exclusive chosen people of god, which makes it easier for them to be apathetic towards people who are not part of their faith.

[O-Factor]

A very intelligent retort.

And, if you can actually read (because your talking with your head up your ass) you will see that I'm talking about ALL organized religions.

So, yea, respond with taunts all you want . . . post cute little smilies all you want . . . don't say anything remotely intelligent . . . it's your perogative.

I'm done with you now.
I'll leave you to respond with some sort of nonsense.

Oh no peewee's done with me. I guess you've gone ahead and put me in my place then. All I've come away with from you is that you are just a little of a man who can't take it when people talk back to you. You want to talk , but you don't want to take it. Thats fine if you are weak and all.


Oh, and here are some more smiles since you love them so much

[L.I.T]

I can agree with most of that.

It all comes down to free will and the "true judgement" that comes after death. Why give people free will and them condem them for what they do with it? And, why live your entire life here on Earth if it really doesn't matter because there is another member's only destination?

These are only some of the problems I have with religious doctrine/philosophy.

But, really, my biggest problem is: Why would a god that is supposed to be so benevolent, so loving, be so willing to let people suffer. I've never been given a concrete answer to that. The answer that god is testing people is a complete cop out. People are not meant to suffer. It is irrational to think that people will develop a sense of loyalty and love to someone that makes them suffer. "Free Will" doesn't explain suffering. Millions upon millions of people suffer in this world through absolutely no fault of their own. Why would god just sit back and let this happen if he truly loves his children?

And, just to make it clear, this applies to all the major religions of the world. They all think they have the only "true" god. And, they all believe that they are the exclusive chosen people of god, which makes it easier for them to be apathetic towards people who are not part of their faith.

I'm going to speak in a broader sense, ie the concept of God, as opposed to grounding this in one specific doctrine since that can get messy and a tad confusing. However, the Buddhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism have some concrete explanations for the world as it is. There are a variety of philosophical explanations for suffering and the continued existence of suffering.

But again, since you bring up the Problem of Evil as your primary refutation of the existence of God, I'm going to have to focus on that.

I'm surprised that you continue to bring up the application of concepts such as love, suffering and duality to a being that, as you previously mentioned, is supposedly unknowable. Do you see the incredible irony there? If, as you say, God is unknowable, then how can you then argue that suffering means that God does not exist, or that God is 'not benevolent'? In a previous post, you brought up Old and New Testament examples of God behaving in a human way to say that God is then not all-good and benevolent, but capricious and vengeful. Ok, however, you are falling into the anthropomorphic trap, the same then if you take the Bible at face value. If you are unwilling to attribute concepts such as love and benevolence on the basis that he's unknowable, why then are you so quick to attribute concepts such as capriciousness, anger and vengefulness to God?

Ultimately, this is probably the simplest contradiction to the problem of evil: what cons utes evil? Is suffering evil? Why then is suffering evil. From our vantage point, disease, poverty all these concepts of suffering, are called evil, but are they really evil? Should they have been averted? A natural disaster here, a death there, in the short term looks bad, horrible, but is it necessary evil and should it have been prevented?

IF God is an omnipotent and unknowable being, why then are human sufferings and frailties attributed to God's lack of intervention? We are arguing from a human perspective, replete with human constructs of the universe (here I'm bringing in another area of study, excuse me). It is much like, attributing human expressions and emotions to non-human animals; it's not something to be done.

Anyway, I can continue to argue against the problem of evil for days on end. But, don't have the time. However, I did want to ask one thing, why do you attribute the concept of a one true God to all religions on the planet? Buddhism, for example, is open to the concept of different paths being taken to achieve God. The Catholic Church actually has a doctrine that is open to the idea that people can take different doctrinal paths to achieve 'Heaven' (naturally though, they think their path is the best). Be careful to not confuse human doctrinal paths to 'Heaven'/Enlightenment/Nirvana as evidence against the existence of God. The evidence is many religions espousing God can be construed, not as a refutation of God, but as evidence that a form of a Supreme Being does exist.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm going to speak in a broader sense, ie the concept of God, as opposed to grounding this in one specific doctrine since that can get messy and a tad confusing. However, the Buddhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism have some concrete explanations for the world as it is. There are a variety of philosophical explanations for suffering and the continued existence of suffering.

But again, since you bring up the Problem of Evil as your primary refutation of the existence of God, I'm going to have to focus on that.

I'm surprised that you continue to bring up the application of concepts such as love, suffering and duality to a being that, as you previously mentioned, is supposedly unknowable. Do you see the incredible irony there? If, as you say, God is unknowable, then how can you then argue that suffering means that God does not exist, or that God is 'not benevolent'? In a previous post, you brought up Old and New Testament examples of God behaving in a human way to say that God is then not all-good and benevolent, but capricious and vengeful. Ok, however, you are falling into the anthropomorphic trap, the same then if you take the Bible at face value. If you are unwilling to attribute concepts such as love and benevolence on the basis that he's unknowable, why then are you so quick to attribute concepts such as capriciousness, anger and vengefulness to God?

Ultimately, this is probably the simplest contradiction to the problem of evil: what cons utes evil? Is suffering evil? Why then is suffering evil. From our vantage point, disease, poverty all these concepts of suffering, are called evil, but are they really evil? Should they have been averted? A natural disaster here, a death there, in the short term looks bad, horrible, but is it necessary evil and should it have been prevented?

IF God is an omnipotent and unknowable being, why then are human sufferings and frailties attributed to God's lack of intervention? We are arguing from a human perspective, replete with human constructs of the universe (here I'm bringing in another area of study, excuse me). It is much like, attributing human expressions and emotions to non-human animals; it's not something to be done.

Anyway, I can continue to argue against the problem of evil for days on end. But, don't have the time. However, I did want to ask one thing, why do you attribute the concept of a one true God to all religions on the planet? Buddhism, for example, is open to the concept of different paths being taken to achieve God. The Catholic Church actually has a doctrine that is open to the idea that people can take different doctrinal paths to achieve 'Heaven' (naturally though, they think their path is the best). Be careful to not confuse human doctrinal paths to 'Heaven'/Enlightenment/Nirvana as evidence against the existence of God. The evidence is many religions espousing God can be construed, not as a refutation of God, but as evidence that a form of a Supreme Being does exist.

You have some very good and poignant points there.

However, I think you misunderstand me. I'm pointing out the fallacy that the major religions of the world believe in. Which, in turn, is exactly the argument you are making. I'm not saying that the presence of evil is proof that god doesn't exist. I'm pointing out the irony that the major religions say that god is benevolent and all loving, yet he insists on letting people suffer. That is the irony I have been pointing out, and that you have actually been agreeing to.

I agree with the point that you brought up on Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism (you can even include Taoism there). And, if you go back a couple of posts, you can read that I excluded Buddhism and like minded religions from the arguement. I have pointed out that I'm actually comfortable with Buddhism, and I even like some of the Taoist philosophy, because of it's stance on unconditional love and peace. But, neither of these religions have a true deity as the other major religions of the world. This is probably why they can afford to be so benevolent.

You have great points, however I think you misconstrue what I'm saying.

[ATRAIN]

You have some very good and poignant points there.

However, I think you misunderstand me. I'm pointing out the fallacy that the major religions of the world believe in. Which, in turn, is exactly the argument you are making. I'm not saying that the presence of evil is proof that god doesn't exist. I'm pointing out the irony that the major religions say that god is benevolent and all loving, yet he insists on letting people suffer. That is the irony I have been pointing out, and that you have actually been agreeing to.

I agree with the point that you brought up on Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism (you can even include Taoism there). And, if you go back a couple of posts, you can read that I excluded Buddhism and like minded religions from the arguement. I have pointed out that I'm actually comfortable with Buddhism, and I even like some of the Taoist philosophy, because of it's stance on unconditional love and peace. But, neither of these religions have a true deity as the other major religions of the world. This is probably why they can afford to be so benevolent.

You have great points, however I think you misconstrue what I'm saying.

Well even though I wanted to stay out of this conversation, I have been attending a bible study and in the study book there was a chapter on this. Basically it states that the WORLD we live in today is being run by guess who..........satan. During the time of Adam and Eve it was a paradise without sickness and death. They were supposed to live forever, but what happened, well we all know and with their original sin, we as the sons of adam inherited their sins and satan proving that we humans and our free will can be corrupted, so satan inherited the earth and has been trying to push our faith away and test us. It isnt until the end of this system and as read in revelations that satan will be tossed into the abyss, and we will once again have paradise. Im not preaching to anyone or trying to change what anyone believes in, just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there.

[peewee's lovechild]

Well even though I wanted to stay out of this conversation, I have been attending a bible study and in the study book there was a chapter on this. Basically it states that the WORLD we live in today is being run by guess who..........satan. During the time of Adam and Eve it was a paradise without sickness and death. They were supposed to live forever, but what happened, well we all know and with their original sin, we as the sons of adam inherited their sins and satan proving that we humans and our free will can be corrupted, so satan inherited the earth and has been trying to push our faith away and test us. It isnt until the end of this system and as read in revelations that satan will be tossed into the abyss, and we will once again have paradise. Im not preaching to anyone or trying to change what anyone believes in, just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there.

That would imply that god sent Satan down to earth to screw around with us. Once again, why would an all-loving, benevolent god want to do that to the creatures he created and loves so much. It just doesn't make sense.

Do you have any kids?? If you do, and even if you don't you can visualize this, would you have them live with a group of murderers, pedophiles, and sociopaths. I expect the answer would be no. That's the jist of what you just wrote.

God so loved his children that he sent Satan to torture them?

It just doesn't add up.

And, this whole Adam thing . . . about him sinning and therefore we inherit his sin and suffer because of it. How is that just?? Once again, would you pass judgement on your children the same way?? Would you be comfortable with people treating your children poorly because of something you did?? No, of course you wouldn't. It's a sorry explanation for the existence of suffering.

It doesn't make any sense.

[ATRAIN]

That would imply that god sent Satan down to earth to screw around with us. Once again, why would an all-loving, benevolent god want to do that to the creatures he created and loves so much. It just doesn't make sense.

Do you have any kids?? If you do, and even if you don't you can visualize this, would you have them live with a group of murderers, pedophiles, and sociopaths. I expect the answer would be no. That's the jist of what you just wrote.

God so loved his children that he sent Satan to torture them?

It just doesn't add up.

And, this whole Adam thing . . . about him sinning and therefore we inherit his sin and suffer because of it. How is that just?? Once again, would you pass judgement on your children the same way?? Would you be comfortable with people treating your children poorly because of something you did?? No, of course you wouldn't. It's a sorry explanation for the existence of suffering.

It doesn't make any sense.

Satan was an angel, he was envious of God and hated that adam and eve did not worship him instead of god. He wasnt sent here, he came here to go up against god and prove that we could lose our faith. Adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge that was forbidden, so they inherited death and sickness, but your forgetting the equalizer here. Jesus Christ the son of god was sent here to serve as a sacrifice for OUR sins that we inherited from Adam and Eve. Through his sacrifice we have a chance to live in paradise. You said would I be comfortable for people treating my kids poorly for something that I did, well I wouldnt want it to happen but the fact is it does happen.

[peewee's lovechild]

Satan was an angel, he was envious of God and hated that adam and eve did not worship him instead of god. He wasnt sent here, he came here to go up against god and prove that we could lose our faith. Adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge that was forbidden, so they inherited death and sickness, but your forgetting the equalizer here. Jesus Christ the son of god was sent here to serve as a sacrifice for OUR sins that we inherited from Adam and Eve. Through his sacrifice we have a chance to live in paradise. You said would I be comfortable for people treating my kids poorly for something that I did, well I wouldnt want it to happen but the fact is it does happen.

What you're saying has a familiar ring, are you a Jehova's Witness?

Anyway, using that rationale:

God creates Satan the Angel.
Satan get's jealous.
Satan convinces Eve to eat the apple, and Eve does the same to Adam.
Then all breaks loose and Jesus, God's son, has to die to equalize everything.

Couple of things here using that rationale:

Then, it's all God's fault because he created Satan the Angel with "feelings" and therefore he had the ability to get "jealous".

It's also God's fault, and him being extremely irrational, because he made a tree in the middle of "Paradise" that produced a fruit that was so irresistable that Adam & Eve were bound to fail.

Still doesn't make sense.

How 'bout you answer this question:

When did Satan come to Earth?
At what point was he sent to Earth to create suffering?
And, why didn't God just stop him, if he's all powerful and all that stuff?

[Avitus1]

Still looks like a rental to me.

[peewee's lovechild]

Still looks like a rental to me.

I actually think it will be pretty good.

But, as someone else pointed out at the onset of this thread . . . cave girls with no hairy pussies and armpits just isn't realistic.

[E20]

Ok, I'll play your game.

Answer this:

Do Christians believe that their god is the only god? And, within Christianity, does each sect/denomination think that theirs is the only "true" Christian faith?

So, if you answer truthfully, the answer would be "yes". Having said that . . . that fact has historically made way for an ambivalent at ude towards other people of different faith. Because, why would they care about people that are damned to anyway??

One of the things I found extremely disturbing happened after 9/11. A friend of mine told me about a speech his pastor gave at his church after 9/11. The pastor told the entire church that it was time that America strike the fear of all-mighty god into the hearts of the godless heathens in the Middle East.

That's the I'm talking about.

Now, there are people that call themselves Christian that really don't give a about any of that and try to live and let live. But, these are people that can be classified as "non-practicing" christians. Those that have been so because their parents were christian because their parents were christian, and so on, and so on. You know what I'm talking about. Those that wear a cross pendant on their necklaces yet get drunk every weekend and everything in sight. Those that have a tatoo of Jesus or the Virgen Mary and yet sell drugs to little kids.

I'm not talking about these people.

Those who are the true believers, those that believe in the rapture and that god will come down from the heavens to rid the earth of all evil men . . . those are the ones I critisize. They like to say words like peace, love, forgiveness, etc. But, they want nothing more than for the rapture to come at any second, even if that means that people who are not evil at all die because they are not believers of the christian faith.

This does not only apply to Christians, by a long shot. It applies all religions that portray the same at ude (Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, etc.). The only benevolent religion that I can think of, and that has caught my interest somewhat, is that of Hinduism.

Let me state that I am not Christian.

Let me also state another fact: A minority percentage of every religous group is on the extreme side of there beliefs. They believe what they want, what I mean by that they will neglect part of their beliefs and glorify and spread another, you don't seem to get that.

Most Christian denominations, albiet the Mormons, all have the same concept, but choose to worship in a different way and I'm pretty sure a majority of Christians think that no matter what denomination of Christianity you are, you are Christian nonetheless.

For the part in bold, theyr'e non-practicing, as you said so, there is no point in bringing them up.

For the second part in bold, the one's screaming for the advent of Christ and hailing for the apocalypse are far from good Christians. In fact, doesn't it say in the bible that nobody knows when the resurrection is coming, as does the Torah and the Quran? So, the ones with gurantees about raptures aren't they putting themselves on the same level as their own God? And wouldn't that be blasphemous? And the ones casting out judgements on other people, doesn't that put them on the same level as God? And wouldn't that be blasphemous? Because doesn't it say in the Bible that God is the judge of every man and no one else, as does the Torah and the Quran? So, how are they the true believers? I guess there is a new rule that gives these priests this power or otherwise they're their opting with their own free will to astray from there own teachings. It always occured to me that Chrisitan teachings focused on doing good to others whether the person was Christian or not, same with the other Abrahamic religons, so I don't know what teachings you are being exposed to. A follower doesn't neccassarly correlate to the core and principles of the ideaology.

And I'm assuming you are atheiest, so I'll use the same fallacy as you are:
All Atheists put down/mock other religons and emphatically impose Science on religon.

Hinduism has commited it's acts of violence as well. I'm pretty sure some hardcore radical Hindu's f'ed up some Muslims back in the day.

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And I'm assuming you are atheiest, so I'll use the same fallacy as you are:
All Atheists put down/mock other religons and emphatically impose Science on religon.

Hinduism has commited it's acts of violence as well. I'm pretty sure some hardcore radical Hindu's f'ed up some Muslims back in the day.

You need to read all of my posts.
You'll see that I've already covered these things.