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I think it's Marcus Williams' team.
Its Duncan's team. I bet even TP would say that.
I think it's Marcus Williams' team.
Which Parker did you watch??? He always looks to Score first. Then he passes but keeps his hands out demanding the ball right back. Not saying he's not good with the ball. But just saying it is another reason why Duncan's scoring is down
anyone who thinks TD's performance is sliding just isn't watching him. He's playing smarter, letting the game come to him, not overexerting himself.
he's holding back, prolonging his career; but his presence is felt on the court now more then ever, no one in the game raises the level of play of his teammates as timmy does. he and he alone makes this team go, he just delegates scoring and stats to his teammates, until they really need him to go 40-20 and then he will.
we strolled through the playoffs this year, thats why you didn't see stats from Duncan.
Parker has said it.
He said it a lot through the Playoffs/Finals this year.
Things along the line of: "It's Timmy's team" and "Timmy let me play my best ball now."
Listen to the post game press conferences and you'll hear lots of stuff like this.
Parker is a Frenchy and i would'nt trust him, he was just saying that to make a point, but other wise his feeling in the inside are different and no question he is a ball hog, may be because he is not a true point gurad.
You know what "his feelings inside" are? (I won't even bother with your "Frenchy-wouldn't trust him" statement.)
The Spurs play as a team. If Parker were the ballhog you make him out to be he wouldn't have lasted on this team.
Yes, he can have a "score first" mentality, which Pop has encouraged. But he makes plays for his teammates.
A ballhog like you describe wouldn't fit in the Spurs locker room. They are a team first, win at all costs team. (See All-Star Manu willingly come off the bench.)
Duncan is the leader of this team, he has been for years and he will be until he retires. Whose team it will be then is not apparant yet.
I see a team that works like a well oiled machine. Their "Superstar" sets the tone, the rest of the team follows his example. Anyone with an ego too big to accept that doesn't play for this team.
I agree with you because the Spurs have so many people contributing to their success that you can't really pick one guy to be the Pippen to Duncan's Jordan. But I said Parker because at first Parker was inconsistent and had a horrible shot and took way too many threes. In just a short time re-inventing his shot with Chip Engelland he's improved his jumper, his shot selection, and is taking an exponentially less amount of 3 point shots.
The problem Parker had before was his youth. He was just a young player, and young players tend to make mistakes. But it's just proof that he's growing up in the NBA by taking the responsibility to improve his game to help his team. Honestly, the sky's the limit for Tony. He's already a good finisher and can get points on the board. He has the potential to be a Steve Nash type playmaker, only with defense. And when that happens, he will be undisputed Pippen to Duncan's Jordan.
Parker still has to work on his consistency though. One night he scores 20 with ease, and the next night he can barley manage 6. Until he masters consistency he won't be considered one of the best in the NBA.
He's getting better with that. He usually hides behind the rock named TD when the calendar rolls over to April. This year he didn't put on his disappearing act.
The only problem I've ever with Tony after he started fixing his shot is consistency. But he's young and young players are inconsistent at times. But he brought it every night in the finals and got the MVP, so I like to think he's well on his way to breaking that habit.
Didn't he say he was "borrowing the MVP trophy for a year"?
I know it was tongue-in-cheek...but he also realized that Tim is the better all around player and it is TIM'S TEAM.
Regular season MVP for TP....maybe someday, but not this year. If TP does win in...great...but I just don't see it. TP is a great player, but he isn't quite there.....yet....give him some time and he'll get there.
TD is the man. Period. It's both TD and Pop's team. They are the leaders.
Everyone else are just soldiers. TP got himself a medal of honor that's all.
Tim is one of the greatest fowards to play the game. When did 30 become old? This isn't the 1980's anymore. There are various techniques and advantages which players have today, allowing to prolong their careers. I believe Tim is actually beginning to hit his prime. Because of other significant contributors, team stratagy, Tim Duncan's statistical numbers have been down the past few seasons. Tim should have a good 5-7 years left in the tank.
Unlike so many other formerly great players whose skills diminish due to their over-reliance on athletecism, the TD we know relies on fundamental brilliance. So every once-in-awhile, TD is victimized by a high-flying dunk by Stoudamire or LeBron or Kobe but eventually, in spectaculary consistent fashion, Tim's fundamental work of pounding the rock shows that he can still dominate. As if the highest winning percentage for the 4 Major Sports in America since he first donned Silver and Black didn't mean anything.
He will never be as good of a passer or shooter as Steve Nash. NEVER. And he may be a better defender, but he isnt exactly spectacular at that either. Without Duncan and Bowen locking guys and areas up, he would have to focus a LOT more on defense than he does at the moment. I have serious doubts about TPs defense. There is no question that he can penetrate, finish, and score points. Which is great, but thats about all he can do. But I guarantee that he will never be the playmaker that Steve Nash is.
Are people taking Big z seriously? This whole thread seems like he's just taking the piss.
Whats serious about this...It just a debate thats all..
duncan on the downside? LMAO, try watching a Spurs game before you talk
TD is only 31 and better this year then he was in 04-06
and LOL @ the SPurs being Parkers team, he's 1/2 the player w/o Timmy
His prodution has been getting during the last 3 years,I know he is amazing in the playoffs cuz that where u have to give it all, i am just sauing he getting down in scoring and rebouding in the reg season, with progression of TP i have no idea what his stat line is going to be, o well we will just find out when the reg season starts, if he is going to be a 20 10 guy or not..
They are just numbers. What have 4 championship taught you?
So you are saying that TD averages 15 and 9 next season and TP averages 25 and 5 , TD is still going to be the man...
Actually, yes. TP's numbers would come as a result of playing alongside of the greatest PF to ever play the game.
I had the privilege of taking several classes with Timmy and seeing him play at Wake Forest. The conversations I had with him described a man who is unbelievably humble, selfless, and confident. What the near-re ed American public is missing is that he is one of the most intelligent professional athletes alive, capable of complex ironic sarcasm and wit. No personality? Bull .
I realize that the previous paragraph was not describing Tim's basketball a en, but I thought that spoke for itself. This is Tim's team, numbers aside.
Tim Duncan determines the quality and quan y of game flow. He decides, ball in hand, whether to fight double-teams or kick it out. Superficially, it seems like (my opinion) Tim shaped his game efforts to best fit Tony's bid for finals MVP. It's uncanny, how I thought Timmy formulated his finals input to let Tony shine, doubtless there are many here who would disagree.
If anyone could craft playoff level games to desired outcomes, it would be Tim Duncan (CIA shadow Pop in the background.)
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“They do a great job of their system and staying true to form,
making big plays in big moments,” Suns coach Mike D'Antoni
told reporters in Phoenix on Thursday. “That's what we're
trying to get. Mental toughness, being lucky, I don't know
what it is.”
The Spurs, D”Antoni added, just seem to “believe a little bit
more.”
“All the time,” he said.
Tony Parker is a great player and deserves credit because he has turned into one of the best players in the league. He did not win an MVP finals trophy just because he is playing with TD. Tim Duncan however is a once in a lifetime kind of player and he changed how Spurs basketball is played and viewed. The Spurs belong to Tim. But we should be glad that he is willing to step aside and not complain when TP or Manu play thier games.
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