Barry should start

[whottt]

You are so ing full of Chump...

Last year we had no choice but to start Hedo? Not that I was against the move...I just knew it wasn't because
Manu sucked and I knew it damn sure wasn't because Hedo> Manu in any way shape or form......

But why didn't we have choice? Because we were losing?

Guess what....we don't have choice this year if that is your criteria.

Reduced minutes for Barry pretty much = an offensive meltdown, in case you haven't been paying attention...Yes he is that good of an offensive player, hitting his shots or not(never mind the fact that he has hit shots late in close games)

When Barry gets minutes our O is ahead of schedule for this early in the season...when he is on the bench we are the same old 4th quarter lead blowing Spurs we usually are early in the season.

Figure it out. Be on the right side of a debate for once.

[ChumpDumper]

Last year we had no choice but to start Hedo? Not that I was against the move...I just knew it wasn't because
Manu sucked and I knew it damn sure wasn't because Hedo> Manu in any way shape or form.....

Then why act like you disagree?

But why didn't we have choice? Because we were losing?

No, because we didn't have any other swingmen to take the minutes in the rotation. Now we do.

Reduced minutes for Barry pretty much = an offensive meltdown, in case you haven't been paying attention.

So you are saying Manu and Devin suck and the only thing that can save the Spurs is 30 mpg of Barry's 20% shooting. We get it. You like playing shooters who can't shoot because maybe someday they'll shoot again.

Quit insulting the players who actually do well. It's pathetic.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

@ Nuggets 27 mpg 0-3 on 3's
vs Jazz 20 mpg 0-2
@ Mavs 18 mpg 0-3
vs Sixers 19 mpg 0-3
vs Pistons 6 mpg 0-3
@ Bucks 15 mpg 0-3
@ Bulls 18 mpg 1-3

Great, he's getting half as many shots as that offensive juggernaut Bruce Bowen, and we're supposed to crucify him for it. I think Barry's probably wondering the same thing I am - why the we paid him that contract and fell over ourselves talking about him as a great sixth man, and then treating him like he's the 12th man on the bench, and only good enough to see minutes in garbage time (if that).

[Kori Ellis]

Those are just his 3's AHF.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Barry's probably wondering the same thing I am - why the we paid him that contract and fell over ourselves talking about him as a great sixth man

Give him a hug.

Give Devin the minutes.

Barry said he has to earn back the minutes.

You pussies don't believe he can do it without welfare minutes.

I do.

Devin did it.

[timvp]

Peeps who are saying that Pop is against Barry playing well are high. Before Barry starting pulling a Hedo, Pop went on record as saying his goal was to split the minutes equally between Manu, Bowen and Barry. He didn't say anything about Brown.

Now Brown went out there ... played well in garbage minutes and earned more time. Played well, earned even more minutes.

Now here we are.

If Barry wants minutes, let him earn it.

He's a man.

[SuperManu!!!]

I don't think Hedo become an starter to boost his confidence. At the time, he had better numbers than Manu but Manu proved to be better in the end.

Now, it you people think that an NBA player needs to become an starter to have confidence....you are wrong!!! These are professional players for god's sake!!! Stop babysitting them! They win millions playing in what they like, so if they want confidence and respect, EARN IT!! Look at rose, last year he almost didn't play. And Devin won his minutes, so don't give a prize to whom doesn't deserves it. End of story

[whottt]

Then why act like you disagree?

I disagree that we had no other choice but to start Hedo over Manu. And we had Devin Brown last season as well.

No, because we didn't have any other swingmen to take the minutes in the rotation.

Um, dip ...that doesn't mean we had to reward Hedo for sucking. But that's just what we did...and you were all over defending it..and evne worse...you were on the Hedo>Manu side. So STFUF, and don't call others out for wanting to do something similar to what you yourself defended relentlessly last season.

I am not the only one that saw you do it...your spinning won't save you here. Everyone knows the score.

Now we do.

So you are saying Manu and Devin suck and the only thing that can save the Spurs is 30 mpg of Barry's 20% shooting. We get it. You like playing shooters who can't shoot because maybe someday they'll shoot again.

Checked the stats on it?

Quit insulting the players who actually do well. It's pathetic.

Yawn typical Chump meltdown...getting your ass kicked in an argument and then trying to get off the subject...been there done that...YAWN.

If they are doing so well then how come we are losing? Hmmm? Answer that ...According to you....It's not Pop's fault..our offense rules ass...

Oh I get it...this is the kinder and more patient Chump that sticks with players...LOL.

I guess it's the six minutes Barry plays.

Hedo>Manu....hypocrite.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't think Hedo become an starter to boost his confidence. At the time, he had better numbers than Manu but Manu proved to be better.

Now, it you people think that an NBA player needs to become an starter to have confidence....you are wrong!!! These are professional players for god's sake!!! Stop babysitting them! They win millions playing in what they like, so if they want confidence and respect, EARN IT!! Look at rose, last year he almost didn't play. And Devin won his minutes, so don't give a prize to whom doesn't deserves it. End of story

Oh, if only you knew about Hedo.

[ChumpDumper]

I disagree that we had no other choice but to start Hedo over Manu. And we had Devin Brown last season as well.

Devin was no where near where he is now and you know it. Oh yeah, you wanted more Mercer.

If they are doing so well then how come we are losing?

What's our record again?

Hedo>Manu....hypocrite.

Never said it and your stupid ass knows it.

[SuperManu!!!]

Oh, if only you knew about Hedo.

What are you trying to say my friend?

[ChumpDumper]

We lost to Seattle because they own us. Ray Allen owns us. Danny Fortson owns us. Antonio Daniels owns us. The Sonics are better than the Spurs.

We lost to the Rockets because of the sloppiest three minutes of basketball ever played by a Spur team. I am very confident that each Spur who ed up won't do the same thing again.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

What are you trying to say my friend?

That was EXACTLY what happened with Hedo last year!

[whottt]

When Brent Barry plays +10 minutes(and BTW I am not advocating he play 20 mins right now, just more than 6-9)...

Barry >10mins:
W-L:15-3
Scoring differential:+13.27 PPG Spurs
Average PPG:97pp

Barry<10mins:
W-L:1-2
Scoring differential:-4 Spurs
Average PPG:85



It works out even better if you do the games he played 20 an minutes...but because I didn't want anyone pissing their pants over my saying Barry should play 20 minutes...I just did it at 10.

[whottt]

Oh yeah, you wanted more Mercer.

Mercer nutted up and won an NCAA le...what's Hedo won?

What's our record again?

With Barry playing less than 10 mins? 1-2.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs' record was inflated by games against weak and injured teams. Too bad Shane folds when the going gets tough.

Fully one third of Devin's games have been 10min or less.

We don't have to treat Barry like the pussy you think he is.

[ChumpDumper]

Mercer nutted up and won an NCAA le.

LMFAO!

"I saw him play good once -- so he will always be good."

Heal and Mercer should have fininshed every game.

[ChumpDumper]

what's Hedo won?

What's Barry won?

Is that why you want to treat him exactly like Hedo?

[milkyway21]

Where would you draw the line with Barry? Would you let him play 10 minutes and suck before pulling him? 15 minutes?

It's so hard to draw that line if you know that you have other people on the bench worthy of the minutes.

I'm not disagreeing with playing him. I'm just saying it's very difficult to find the line.

Let's say you play him 12 mpg for the next 2 weeks and he still isn't performing. Do you still keep going to him? Increase his minutes even more?

I think I am not the only one who wants Barry to play more minutes. Didn't even consider trying that option for 2 weeks . What about a wk? 4-5 games? He has not shown his full potential yet maybe bec. his minutes were reduced. I can't think of any other solution...Okay, let's just leave on the BENCH!

[whottt]

The Spurs' record was inflated by games against weak and injured teams.

You mean like the world beating 7-9 Rockets without Jim Jackson?

You mean the game where we got our ass kicked by a player who lead his team to a 19 game losing streak last season?

And oh yeah...Devin had absolutely nothing to do with that loss last night...I mean no one could even make a case for it...

Too bad Shane folds when the going gets tough.

Um...you must not have watched last nights game, the second Seattle game, or the Detroit game. That's called folding.

And we've done it more times in the 3 games where Barry has been on the bench than we have in the 18 he wasn't.

But a dip like yourself figures the 18 games are the untrustworthy sample size...and 2 loss in 3 games are proof what we are doing is working...

You ing stupid. I'm sorry but you are.

Fully one third of Devin's games have been 10min or less.

Yeah, and you want to know something amazing...our record in games where Devin plays 10 mins or less is nearly identical to the games where Barry plays 10 mins or more...amazing how that works...

We don't have to treat Barry like the pussy you think he is.

:

LOL...you don't even care about winning or losing...keeping Barry on the bench is more important to you.


And what's really funny...I could have sworn you liked pussies last year...I mean you were on Hedo's...

"I'm leaning towards Hedo"

L O L!

[ChumpDumper]

You mean like the world beating 7-9 Rockets without Jim Jackson?

The Mavs without Finley -- twice.

The Grizz without Gasol (oh, we lost that one even though Barry the welfare case played 28 minutes -- nevermind)

The Nuggets without KMart.

The Jazz without AK.

The Knicks without Houston.

The Heat without Wade.

The Lakers without George or Divac.

Etc.

But a dip like yourself figures the 18 games are the untrustworthy sample size.

It isn't -- See the above list.

LOL...you don't even care about winning or losing...keeping Barry on the bench is more important to you.

No I want the players who have earned the minutes to play them. Barry wants to earn his minutes back. Why do you want to give him welfare?

And what's really funny...I could have sworn you liked pussies last year...I mean you were on Hedo's jock...

Explaining to you idiots what Pop does doen't mean I'm on anyone's jock. You can take anything out of context you like, but all you want is welfare minutes for undeserving players.

You thought the Spurs were better than they really are. I said their record was inflated You can joke about Hedo, but you want to turn Barry into Hedo with your welfare plan.

No free rides.

Earn your minutes.

Period.

[whottt]

What's Barry won?

Is that why you want to treat him exactly like Hedo?

I don't want to treat him like Hedo...and actually...what we did with Hedo was best option...not the only option..and it damn sure didn't mean Hedo>Manu.

And at the same time...I'm not stupid enough to say Barry sucks for the same reason I wasn't willing to say Hedo > Manu.

Because neither is true.

I'm sorry but 15-3 is equal the best start in team history...and it was done with Brent Barry playing 10+ mins per game...actually it was 20+ mins per game in all but 2 of them and never less than 15...and if you had been watching, he did hit big shots in some of those games...

[whottt]

And by the way...our 1-2 record in the 6 mins of Brent Barry era?

The one win he came in and hit two clutch shots.

So shut the up about calling guys pussies.

[whottt]

The Mavs without Finley -- twice.

Period.

You didn't explain what Pop did last with Hedo and Manu...I ing did...

You were the dumbass saying Manu played like and you were leaning towards Hedo.

On top of that...you said Manu didn't have a problem coming off the bench when I was sitting there posting ing quotes of him saying he didn't like it and was only doing it for the team.

And what did Chump say? I'm leaning towards Hedo...

Matter of fact, I am pretty sure you callled Manu a pussy also...

[ChumpDumper]

I don't want to treat him like Hedo

Don't front -- it's exaclty what you want

...and actually...what we did with Hedo was best option...not the only option

then why are you arguing against it retroactively?

and it damn sure didn't mean Hedo>Manu.

Duh.

I'm not stupid enough to say Barry sucks for the same reason I wasn't willing to say Hedo > Manu.

I'm not afraid to say when a player is sucking and should have to earn back his minutes. You are.

I'm sorry but 15-3 is equal the best start in team history

Artificailly inflated as I showed you. 70 wins indeed.

and if you had been watching, he did hit big shots in some of those games...

And now he's hitting 20% and getting killed on D. That's his problem.

So shut the up about calling guys pussies.

You are the one who thinks he's a pussy who can't play like that again without the Hedo treatment.

No welfare.