You want it back?
And you're welcome
PS: Always bet on the Cro-Magnon against the stupid.
Only to the stupid...that's what is so amusing about it.
Sigh...to do that would be a huge step back down the ladder of the stupidity for you...I'll just call ya "stupid" for short. It'll be easier for you to remember since you already answer to it.
you're stupid! no you're stupid!
shut the up already.
We need a Greek for geographic diversity. If Tony liked him he must be OK. Beno is a lost cause anyway. Willl the Fo be happy with Tony convincing him to come here.
Hollinger made a calculation of how Euroleague numbers translate on the NBA level....
So on AVERAGE euroleague's players assist rate when they make the jump in the NBA increases by 31%..
Check the full article here : http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...26id%3d2920870
P.S : On the OP ...Its so stupid its not even funny.
None of us act the same way in real life...no matter how much we think we do.
I am not an obnoxious argumentative ass in real life...
At the same time...if I am talking with a friend of mine and someone I don't know comes up and starts lecturing me or taking an opinion I was offering in jest seriously...I am going to thank essentially the same thing...
That this individual is at heart, a self absorbed stupid ass that thinks people don't exist if he's not around. Call it a personality quirk or whatever.
And if he obnoxiously gets into my face about it I will be every bit the ass I can be here.
The recent sentiments expressed by Kori and LJ made sense to me, although I was slightly light-hearted in my question to you.
I just disagree with your definition of a personal attack...
I don't know what you look like, what you do for a living...how can anything I say to you be of a personal nature?
You know who gets attacked on this board by my definition?
TPark and Sequ...they get constantly ripped about their height, about their weight, by people they don't even know and it's done by the good old nice board regs as well. And it has been as long as I've been on this board.
I think I've made about 5 attacks of that nature...in my entire time on this board. I think I took a shot at Sequ once, Blaze once, Tlong once and maybe Alvarez or someone once and I ripped the out of IminLakerLand long ago when she was being a real and she had her photo in her avatar.
Sure it doesn't bother them and they handle it well...but that doesn't change the fact that is a personal attack...not calling someone you don't know an idiot. If someone takes that personally...they are kind of proving my point, so maybe it is a personal attack. But it's not my fault that a general insult just happens to strike a personal nerver...
In fact I'll go on record right now...anyone that willingly admits they are a stupid idiot to me...I will never call a stupid idiot....that way it won't be personal
As for the rest of it...
Well there is something that has made this board extremely successful...is it the graphics? The Spurs winning? Or is it a combination of things...including freedom.
I personally think it's my posts but am open minded enough to consider the fact that it might be other things.
I'd be loathe to change much about this board...at the same time, you do have to draw the line somehwere...
I don't see how calling a guy an idiot that was calling me an idiot is any kind of a mean spirited personal attack...I don't see how you can personally attack anyone you don't know anything about and have never met. I don't see how anyone can take that personally.
There are a few posters here who have long histories with calling each other out for various alleged stupidities and it often slops over into childish name calling.
This kind of behavior is so boring to the rest of us. Why don't we have a permanent thread called "Behind the Barn" where these arguments can be banished and they can continue to their heart's content? The rule would be that anyone could simply tell these folks to "Take it Behind the Barn" and they'd have to move their argument out of the thread about basketball.
I bet they'd quickly tire of the exchanges of insults when they realized no one was reading them.
getting a bit off target in here aren't we
Hey guys, I am from Greece. I have known Vassilis before for many years now. I have not talked to him since he came back to join national team, I see him time before he leave to Houston.
I tell you though I follow this Jeff Van Gundy/Kill Bill thing through Greek press all along. So many reports about how Van Gundy twisted his words.
Much of this is true. Instead of laughing you should consider what an a-hole Van Gundy is. Consider the following,
S. Francis from the Orlando Magic
"The coach here treats you like you're a player; he treats you like a man," Francis said, comparing Davis with Van Gundy. "He doesn't try to walk around like he's hot stuff. In Houston, that was a problem. He thought he was bigger than the players."
Cuttino Mobley Clippers - Take this for what it's worth. Inteview from 2004
Cuttino Mobley: I mean, I'm not really going to say... I always have fun playing basketball, but this year is a lot of fun. When Rudy [Tomjanovich] was there [in Houston], it was a lot of fun. Running up and down, that's what people want to see. We're just getting to show our talent a little more. And everybody love each other. We all go out with each other, restaurants. We pull together, just like our boys in Houston, Yao and Mo, Jimmy, we're close, too. We miss those dudes, but we're over here, we've having fun. That's what basketball is about. Not no dictatorship, know what I mean?
InsideHoops.com: Is that what it felt like over there (in Houston under Van Gundy), a dictatorship?
Cuttino Mobley: Yeah, I mean, people try to control you because they think it's to the best, but sometimes it's right, and sometimes it's not, but, whatever the case is.
This from the Chronicle Feb 14th, 2007 with exact words from JVG. Now tell me this isn't an asinine thing to say about your own players?
All Greek in Houston
With Tuesday's trade for Jake Tsakalidis, the Rockets have both Greek players in the NBA, Tsakalidis and guard Vassilis Spanoulis.
"It will give someone for Billy to (complain) to, so that will be good," coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "We'll just sit him right over there and Billy can (complain) to him about how he's getting (shafted). That will be good."
**note original word was bit** and edited to (complain) and original word was screwed and changed to (shafted).
Told that will make him even more popular in Athens, Van Gundy said., "I like Billy a lot more than they like me."
Spanoulis said he was looking forward to having another Greek player on the team and introducing Tsakalidis to the Houston Greek community.
"I know him," Spanoulis said. "I never played with him. He can be very good guy for our team and good for me to have some company here, more. I can show him."
Asked who was the Rockets' best Greek player, Spanoulis said, "I don't know. Different positions."
Well actually V-Span did speak about the T-Mac in Greece Statement in the Greek newspapers. I did a babelfish translation of it awhile back. What V-Span actually said is that he wanted playing time and went to Jeff Van Gundy and told him that his role on the Greek team was more like T-Mac's scoring role on the Rockets rather than the spot up shooter role he had with the Rockets.
In Greece he played the role of driving, penetrating scoring point guard like Tony Parker. This was the role that Carroll Dawson and Dennis Lindsey and Daryl Morey signed him to play in Houston.
Jeff Van Gundy then decided this would not be allowed. Vassilis was only allowed to play off the ball and stand at the 3 point line. He was also NEVER once allowed to play point guard as can be shown here:
http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU4C.HTM
He only played SG/SF
Vassilis asked Van Gundy to let him play PG and run pick and roll and penetrate and get to foul line and asked that he stopped being asked to guard bigger players in the post at SF on D.
Now this from sport24.gr website
Van Gundy then went to the Houston paper and radio and said "Can you believe this guy? He told me, hey, you know back in Greece I'm as good as T-Mac, and here I should be rookie of the year."
Then he laughed at him and said,
"He's lucky I didn't ship his ass back to Greece when he got off the plane. He's a foul prone, turnover machine that can't shoot and can't guard anyone. Of course, I told CD that before they signed him, saying I didn't want his lame ass. But I admit I said this having never seen him play.
Yeah, I saw some tapes Dennis made me look at and he was good, especially he was damn good on D, yeah he looked real good in camp too, but as far as I am concerned he's trash. I don't change my opinion on players I don't want. A rookie is a rookie, is a rookie, is a rookie. I told his ass I don't play rookies unless there's a ton of injuries, period. He didn't like it and asked for more PT. Good luck getting out of the doghouse now Billy [laughs]."
This lie went further. They then had a Greek man impersonate him on the Houston sports radio and said it was actually him. Talking with Greek accent saying, "Hey, I am Vasili, I T-Mac back in Greece, I all-star, I be rookie of year but Jeff Van Gundy is so mean to me. Jeff Van Gundy sucks."
They didn't say it was fake until the whole fan base had turned against Kill Bill.
Billy's mom was suicidal, this was reported in Greece and that Billy was denied team absence from Van Gundy. Nothing at all wrong about this report here.
He never said he was T-Mac in Greece.
Jeff Van Gundy twisted his words so that V-Span came out looking like an arse. So when I read this story, I can see a legitimacy to most if not all of it.
Feigen of Houston Chronicle reported this:
also got this interesting quote from Dikembe Mutombo:
“I just spent a week with my kids, and I talked with my wife about it again,” Mutombo said. “I’m just frustrated with the fact there was a chance to go to the second round, at least. After contributing the way I did contribute during the course of the season, I felt I did deserve a little time in the playoffs to play. The opportunity was not given to me. I’m a little bit disappointed about it.”
So not only has Van Gundy managed to piss off rookies (e.g. Vassilis Spanoulis) and veterans (i.e. Bonzi Wells), but also LEGENDS OF THE GAME like Dikembe. What a shame. If the Rockets get rid of Van Gundy, will you consider coming back, Deke?
Speaking of Spanoulis, Vassilis had the following to say:
“Now is time to rest a little bit, to clear my mind for a big season for me, maybe the toughest in my life, in my career,” said Spanoulis.
“I want to speak with the guys and know what’s going on with my future. We’ll see. I have a contract. I can’t say now nothing. I have to clear my mind, rest and get with the guys up in the office who showed me a lot of love and support this year.
“I love this team, but I have to think what is best for my future. The people here showed me a lot of love, a lot of support a lot of advice this year.”
I find it interesting that Spanoulis said “the guys up in the office who showed me a lot of love and support this year.” That would mean Carroll Dawson, Dennis Lindsey, and Daryl Morey. To me, that shows the front office personnel might have been frustrated with how Van Gundy was handling Spanoulis (as well as other players, perhaps).
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl...kn/4274775.html
Oct. 19, 2006, 11:14PM
ROCKETS NOTES: Spanoulis draws Nash comparison
By FRAN BLINEBURY AND JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Are the Rockets ready for Steve Nasharopoulos of Athens?
As you would expect, progress is coming in small steps for Vassilis Spanoulis. The star of the Greek national team had 10 points, eight assists and four turnovers in 22 minutes against Milwaukee.
"Every day for me is a new lesson," Spanoulis said. "I learn new things every day about the NBA, because it's totally different than playing in Europe. Every day I'm learning my teammates a little better, and that makes things better for me."
Spanoulis' tallest teammate is quite impressed.
"He is great," said Yao Ming. "He can see the court. He always makes the right decision. He makes passes to the right people, and passes are right on target.
"Give him time, and I think he will maybe be like Steve Nash one day."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl...en/4328224.html
Quote to note
Not that anyone ever suspected that Jeff Van Gundy is wary of rookie mistakes, but when speaking of last season's Knicks, he offered this week's finishing quote.
"Everybody gets excited about youth except the coach, because he knows youth means mistakes, mistakes mean losses, losses mean you're fired. While everyone else was pumped up, "We got four rookies, we got four rookies,' you know, my (backside) ain't going to be here very long."
original (backside) was ass
http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2006/09/...n_line_one.html
TMac on line one
He (T-Mac) said Vassilis Spanoulis has "a tremendous upside."
http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1385...ved_by_rockets/
Spanoulis feels deceived by Rockets
Houston guard speaks out in Greek newspaper, says he could return to Europe
SATURDAY, JANUARY 20, 2007 3:02 PM CST
By Clutch
Copyright 2007 ClutchFans.net
Spanoulis feels deceived by Rockets
An interview with Rocket guard Vassilis Spanoulis was published on Saturday by Eleftherotypia, a daily newspaper out of Athens, Greece, and the 6-foot-4 point was not kind to the Rockets organization.
"The GM of the team was in Athens frequently, they were calling me on the phone every day," says Spanoulis of Rockets GM Carroll Dawson before he signed with Houston. "So much money, so much attention, so much interest -- just for me to play for one minute or not at all?"
I will try to meet Vassilis when he comes back to Athens, I will try to go to where the team is and maybe ask him about this. I know him since he plays with Maroussi BC.
Please I ask Spurs fans do not be fooled by lies and tactic of Jeff Van Gundy like Rockets fans was.
Also note that Yao did lambaste Van Gundy after the playoffs he said he did not understand why he was so stupid and always so stubborn, why his offense always so boring and predictable? Other team always know every play beforehand. Also Jeff just stupid to not play Spanoulis and Snyder.
I hope as Billy friend he plays well with Spurs. Rockets no good for him. If not he comes back plays for Pana.
So Billy either plays for NBA champions Spurs of San Antonio or for Greek League/Eurocup/Euroleague triple crown champions Panathinaikos of Athens.
@ Kill Bill Pana: Welcome to the forum.I would also like to see what he can do with the Spurs. When do you think a decision will be made where he plays next year?
Interesting first post Kill Bill Pana. Welcome.
None of that is relevatory to me really...
Van Gundy has always been over-rated IMO...a lot of people like to compare him to Pop because he has a defensive mindset etc...
Frankly, that is a huge insult to Pop.
Van Gundy is not as good of a coach as Pop, he's not as good of a player handler as Pop.
Even the guys that get pissed at Pop and don't want to play for him, don't really grind their axe against him...
Pop can be tough, he can rip the out of players, but he also generally gives them a fair chance to suceed....especially when it comes to rookie PG's.
I could see some problems with Vassilis down the road, mainly of the cultural nature...this guy definitely speaks his mind...but he's also got a nice upside and is worth finding out for certain if he can be a contributing player on an NBA team. He's been a huge big game player in his career up to this point. And unlike Sarunas...this kid has the physical ability to play in the NBA.
As I said earlier, you'll know by next Tue. At least that was what was being reported. I don't know the significance of Tue but that's what people have been saying.@ Kill Bill Pana: Welcome to the forum.
Since when have you known an Argentinian, Greek, Frenchman, or Italian to not be loud and boistrous and speak his mind? If they don't like something they are going to be in your face telling you.
Since Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto.
Never.Greek,
Since Tony Parker...he'll say what he wants, but he doesn't do it stupidly. No one's been ripped as much as Parker has, and he handled it incredibly well which is why he now has the respect of his coach and teamates at the tender age of 25.Frenchman,
Well since Manu is of Italian decent...or Italian
I am sure Pop wants his players to be honest with him...I am also sure that he doesn't want them to do it with so little tact that it s up the chemistry and becomes a distraction on his Championship Team.to not be loud and boistrous and speak his mind? If they don't like something they are going to be in your face telling you.
If Vassilis is one of those his stay here will be a short one...I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there though...
I am willing to consider the possiblity that he was lied to by the Rockets and was mishandled by the over-rated Jeff Van Gundy.
All you have to do is listen to Van Gundy do a broadcast and see how he could easily rub people the wrong way...
Very knowledgable about the game...also pretty loudmouthed and abrasive when illustrating that knowledge...on top of that, he doesn't exactly have the type of aura to command respect like Pop does.
A post game conference after a Van Gundy loss often sounds like a bitter little man whining and pouting, trying to pass the responsibility for losing off on anyone but himself, including his players...I've never thought that about Pop...not for one second of his Spurs career.
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Since Chump is back I am officially resigning my position as blind front office jocker of the offseason...there are others that do it far better than I...back in the fold...now
It was a dirty job...but someone had to do it.
Since Chump is back I am officially resigning my position as blind front office jocker of the offseason...there are others that do it far better than I...back in the fold...now
It was a dirty job...but someone had to do it.
I think you scared Chump off
I miss answering a rhetorical Chump question.
if v-span became a spur, would that mean that the hot greek chicks would be around too?
Maybe...
Unfortunately it also probably means a surge in Nikos posts...
Spanoulis will likely be released and sign with Panathinaikos but if he stays, he could really help Spurs.
Spurs have only 3 players who can create their shot (Parker, Ginobili and Duncan). Last year, Parker and Duncan were often on the bench at the same time and the offense was stagnant with only Manu as player to create good scoring opportunities for himself and other players. Spanoulis will give Spurs a 4th player able to create his shot. With him Spurs will be able to have at least 2 creators for 48 min. One of the edge of Spanoulis is that he is big enough to play some SG.
There are hot greek chicks?
I do not know, but Greek press reports from Panathinaikos (best team in world outsiude NBA, Billy's former team) team in Athens he leans to them, but other Greek press (not Pana team related) says he should play with Spurs.@ Kill Bill Pana: Welcome to the forum.
I don't know as he is in Spain now, I cannot talk to him about it.
I do know that in Europe he is much better than Beno is.
In his first year ever in EuroCup (2nd highest league outside NBA) playing with Maroussi BC Athens of Greek League (long-time Greek club powerhouse) he was voted the European 6th man of the year and EuroCup rookie of year. He led Maroussi team in scoring even though he came off the bench. He shot 40 percent average in 3 points in EuroCup.
Then after this year he gets a big free agent contract with Panathinaikos of Athens Greek League (the best basketball team in the world outside NBA), which plays in the Euroleague (best league in world outside of NBA).
He was also offered huge contract by Real Madrid.
Billy was voted Euroleague MVP of week twice during the year, first time a rookie did this since the league re-formatted. He led Pana team in scoring even though he came off the bench. He was voted 10th in Euroleage MVP for the year, highest a rookie ever placed in history since league re-formatted.
He was voted 7th best FIBA player worldwide for the year (this includes performances of all NBA players as well), highest a Euroleague rookie ever placed. He won Euroleague rookie of year award.
FIBA says this rookie is 3rd best point guard outside NBA (Papaloukas and Navarro). But also both other players are much older than Billy and did not do nearly as well as he did when they were rookies.
He gets 2nd team all-Euroleague point guards, first time a rookie does this since league reformats. He gets placed behind Greek player Papaloukas who plays with CSKA Moscow. Everyone says Papaloukas is best player in world that does not play in NBA. Yet he is much older than Billy and already Billy is almost as good. Billy is much better at same age than Papa was.
Euroleague says this rookie is 2nd best point guard outside NBA.
He has 61.8% FG shooting and 36.8% 3 points shooting for year in Euroleague.
Then on our National Team in the 2006 World Championships Billy was our best player. He scores 22 points to lead Greek National Team against Team USA in victory and we finish with Silver Medal. He gets 46.5% FG shooting for the tournament, great for a point guard.
He is best player over Papaloukas (considered best player in world outside NBA) and Diamantidis and he is best defensive player in world outside NBA.
They are older and more experience and Billy is much better in his first Euroleague year than they were. Also Billy's scoring and finishing is much better than both of them. Billy has great D like Greek star guards.
In Euroleague most guards play bad D like Beno but Greek National Team stars play D like Spurs and Rockets team (one of reasons Rockets thought Van Gundy would take Billy).
In Europe, Beno to Billy is like in NBA Parker to Beno, I don't lie. Billy is more talented than Papaloukas who is everyone knows best Europe player. This is why Pana wants him so bad, then we become 2nd team in history to win back to back triple crown. This mean League le, league cup and Euroleague.
Papa is better in Europe than Scola is. To understand what Billy can be for Spurs, when Billy came back from Houston to National Team to start first training sessions, Papaloukas says this in interview:
sports24.gr reporter
(I try to translate my best)
"I could have gone to NBA this year, both Hawks and Heat offer me full MLE to play for them and be starting point guard with them. But I decide not to now after what Jeff Van Gundy does to Vassilis Spanoulis, so I stay with CSKA Moscow for less money. I see NBA is biased and coaches can bench Greek players for no reason for players like Rafer Alston. Vassilis can make it in NBA I know. I know he is better than Rafer Alston, this I have no doubt.
Lots of players in Greek League from NBA and Vassilis owns them. I visit Vassilis at rookie camp in NBA and he toys with American players. Rockets coach is an arrogant ass. Vassilis makes Kirk Hinrich, Chris Paul, and Dwyane Wade look bad in WBC and he cannot even play ahead of Rafer Alston? When Vassilis play last year in Euroleague he is still 2nd best point guard in world outside NBA to me, but by WBC's he was already surpassed me and the Diamond Man (Diamantidis of Panathinaikos Athens), and remember he's best defender in Europe I think 3 times now.
Now, finally I see him again and play against him again as he just comes back to National team. He is now far better than I am. He is much quicker, stronger and more explosive. We are all shocked on the team and cannot believe it.
Even coach (Obradovic) who has believed Vassilis is best guard prospect out of Europe ever, even he says Billy now plays like he is unstoppable. We cannot guard Billy anymore. He simply dominates the whole National Team now. For sure we cannot be beaten at Eurobasket. Everyone will see what he can do, rest of teams will be in trouble. I think Rockets team will look very bad after the Eurobasket.
Vassilis told me he worked on his game all day all night since Van Gundy didn't let him play, he does nothing but work thinking I will show him (Jeff Van Gundy) and I will be best player in world outside NBA in Euroleague. Then other NBA teams will know it was just that stupid coach not me. He also told me he worked with weight training every day and night. He is like a pit bull now in defense, even better than Diamond Man, best defender in Europe.
I am Euroleague MVP but he is now way above me, he is much better than me at same age. Luis Scola (2 time Euroleague MVP) is maybe top 5 player in Europe, me, Daimond Man, Navarro, Luis, Billy. But Billy is much much better I say now than Luis is and he's younger player and much better defender. Rockets team is crazy."
Last edited by Kill_Bill_Pana; 08-16-2007 at 06:49 PM.
You said a mouthful for a guy who was terrible in the NBA. Macijauskas was better in the NBA.
Diamantidis is the best all-around player in the world.
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