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you could say the same thing about Tony Parker. I guess this proves that Parker has a ty work ethic also?
Different era....still no handcheck rule is obliterated by the Zone rule. PPG per team are way down than during the 80's. Defensive schemes are more advanced with scouting, real time information due to the internet etc, plus a truly global game. Defense in all sports has increased while scoring as a % is down. So just talking scoring, what Kobe has done the last few years is crazy. Especially when he's breaking records...yes in this defensive, information, scouting obsessed world.
you could say the same thing about Tony Parker. I guess this proves that Parker has a ty work ethic also?
Nice pic....but "homer" while yes I realize that fighting a dead fight against Mavs and Spurs fans is fun...
So now we're homers because anyone with half a brain realizes that MJ>Kobe? Don't get me wrong, Kobe's a great player, easily the best in the league today, but he's no Jordan and there will never be another. Jordan will forever symbolize the greatness that every professional athlete from here on will aspire to be, including Kobe.
Jordan did have a me-first mentality! Which can be argued that he had that mentality because he didn't have the players around him to do otherwise. Same as Kobe, If kobe doesnt take that at ude the lakers don't make the playoffs this season. When the Bulls put the players around Jordan it was then that he had confidence in his teammates and begun distributing the ball.
You are mistaken if you think jordan was not selfish. Remember Jordan berating Pippen for not passing him the ball on national TV after a made basket? I don't think you can be more selfish than that.
Well if that's the case, Jordan was a damn good me-first player who could win multiple championships without a low post presence. Kobe has yet to win one without Shaq, or any low post scorer for that matter. If Jordan was ever selfish, it was for the better of the team(see 6 straight championships). When Kobe is selfish, his team loses in the first round, IF they even make the playoffs. Can you not see the difference?
Actually, it was his third.
It wasn't 6 straight Championships.
Ok, Kobe couldn't win without a Low post Center and Jordan couldn't win without Top 50 greatest player on his team? This would prove to be true with Jordan but Kobe still has years ahead of him to prove that false in his legacy. Which is why, we state that when it's all said and done, Kobe will eclipse Jordan as the best to ever play the game.
My bad, you're correct.
I'm content with TPs shot. He can't shoot threes but he doesn't need too. Him and Wade have a better midrange game (but not a three point shot) then Bron and that's one of the reasons they get to the basket so easily. Lebron proved he can't make a shot to save his life in the finals this year.
It wasn't six straight because he left for baseball, but otherwise it would have been 8 straight. In his prime he was absolutely unstoppable and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it. Unlike Kobe who seems to have a knack for stopping himself. Kobe will NEVER surpass Jordan in rings or basketball talent/skill. Book it.
"Kobe stopping himself".....that's the only truth I heard on this board....
Sounds just like Kobe to me!
le Appearances and championships in first 7 seasons
Kobe - 3, 3 les
Shaq - 1, 0 les
Jordan - 0, 0 les
Since when do first 7 seasons > career accomplishments? Like I said, if you want to count les, Kobe will NEVER surpass Jordan in that category for their careers. And even if he somehow did, there's always the arguement that Jordan would have had 2 more if he hadn't left for baseball. You're fighting a losing arguement, and no one but other delusional Laker fans will back you up. (For the most part the Lakers have a great fanbase, though) How anyone could think Kobe>Jordan is beyond me.
I don't know if you're comprehending this or not.
That's not saying KOBE is the best to play the game, NOW!
I think instead of those saying Kobe could not win a le without Shaq, it should be Shaq could not have won those les without Kobe!
Well, in order to get more rings in the same amount of time, he would have to get the next four. He would need three of four rings to tie the number of championships. Is it happening? I doubt it.
Kobe -- 11 seasons -- 3 rings
Jordan -- 15 seasons -- 6 rings
He's been to two Finals without him and won a ring. So could it have been any other decent SG and he would have still won the rings in LA? Possibly.
He may never win as many les as jordan but if he can win a couple more, he will be considered the best player to play the game, imo. Bill Russell won 11 les and nobody's calling him the best of all time.
That's speculation. Different teams, different times. If Kobe had Timmie instead of Shaq would they have won those les? Who knows, but the fact is that Shaq had Penny and Jones but did not win a le. When paired with Kobe, 3 straight les and 4 Championship appearances.
First of all, you shouldn't be talking down to anyone especially when you're the one making ridiculous claims. Of course I know what you're saying, but it's not true. When it's all said and done, Kobe will be another top 50 all time player but not the best in anyones book. There will never be another Jordan, at least not in this generation.
And I don't know what point you're trying to make with the Shaq comment, but SHAQ has won a championship since the breakup but KOBE has not. Not to mention Shaq is older and no longer even in his prime.
During Bill Russell's era there were 8 teams in the league for the majority of his les. While impressive, it's not exactly a statistical anomaly. I'll take 6 rings in a decade with 27 or more teams and much more talent.
The point of the post:
The point was Shaq can and has won without him. Kobe hasn't -- it's why people would say Kobe can't win without Shaq.
So that means Robert Horry should be considered the best player to ever play the game, right? 7 rings with exceptional talent in the league and 27 teams?
forget that. I'm tired.
I'm not trying to talk down on you but you keep insinutating that I said something that I did not. For you to tell the future and know it is the truth is remarkable in itself.
Last time: Shaq had very good SG's in his early years and did not win so you can not say that he would have won with any good SG because he did not. Wade is not just any good SG, he is a superstar!
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