Duncan>Hakeem.

[E20]

I think Bobby Joe also posted in another TD vs Dream thread. LMAO All his 265 posts come from defending Hakeem, or was that someone else?

It's pointless to have this argument here. Bobby ain't convincing anybody here, it's a Spurs board.

I agree with with the 3rd post on here.

Duncan has had more accomplishments/accolades, but Hakeem had more talent/better player.

[JamStone]

If I'd realized that, when you said this:

"Imagine if Hakeem had a well established former MVP center on the Rockets when he first came into the NBA so he could slide over to the power forward spot and play against smaller power forwards on a night in and night out basis."

...that you meant that Timmy literally had a guy who had won the MVP award and had already compiled a hall of fame career, rather than having a fellow big man, a hall of fame talent (whose career would years later be derailed by chronic injuries), who had existing NBA experience and a dominant game, which you completely ing forgot about when you made the stupid statement in the first place, I would have let you have your re ed point. Yes, Ralph Sampson was not an MVP. He'll never be in the hall of fame. He has exactly the same number of 20-10 seasons with Hakeem as Robinson did with Timmy, IIRC. Please, point that out if I'm mistaken. It might distract readers from your lame attempt to re-affirm Hakeem's greatness, which doesn't require nearly that much effort.

I frankly expected more from you than to run and hide under the skirts of semantics when I good-naturedly pointed out that you'd forgotten about Sampson. Of course, you've been reaching into the bottom of the barrel to scrape for any evidence to support your claim, so I shouldn't be surprised you'd defend them tooth and nail.

What semantics? I stated quite clearly a Hall of Fame player and an MVP player and somehow you twisted my intent to say "all star caliber." If I knew you would make up your own moronic assumptions of what I meant, I would have said if Hakeem had Tickle Me Elmo on his team when he joined the Rockets instead.

If you were going to make assumptions of what I wrote anyway, why didn't you assume that being an 8 year veteran of the NBA putting up Hall of Fame numbers would be different from a one year player who didn't have the experience or mentoring skills to give Hakeem what David Robinson gave Tim Duncan?

Why? Because you make assumptions of what people mean only when it makes sense for your own stubborn and idiotic train of thought.

I never stated "all star caliber" yet that's what you twisted my intent to say. That's your fault you have unbelievably poor reading comprehension skills. It has nothing to do with making a semantical argument.

[JamStone]

4>2

Robert Horry > Scottie Pippen > Tim Duncan > Hakeem Olajuwon

[Vito Corleone]

First off I love Duncan and consider him the greatest Spur ever, but Hakeem would eat him for lunch. If you were to combine Amare and Duncan you would have Hakeem. Secondly, I consider Hakeem to be the greatest big man to ever step onto a court, that includes Russell Shaq and Chamberlin. None of those guys had the combination of speed strength and skill that Hakeem had. Hakeem was the total package.

[~~Ice Man 2000~~]

First off I love Duncan and consider him the greatest Spur ever, but Hakeem would eat him for lunch. If you were to combine Amare and Duncan you would have Hakeem. Secondly, I consider Hakeem to be the greatest big man to ever step onto a court, that includes Russell Shaq and Chamberlin. None of those guys had the combination of speed strength and skill that Hakeem had. Hakeem was the total package.

Yet he only won two rings???

[gaKNOW!blee]

First off I love Duncan and consider him the greatest Spur ever, but Hakeem would eat him for lunch. If you were to combine Amare and Duncan you would have Hakeem. Secondly, I consider Hakeem to be the greatest big man to ever step onto a court, that includes Russell Shaq and Chamberlin. None of those guys had the combination of speed strength and skill that Hakeem had. Hakeem was the total package.

lol

[Obstructed_View]

Imagine if Hakeem had a seven foot center (but not 7'4") on the Rockets - who had actually been awarded the NBA MVP trophy at some point in his career - when he first came into the NBA so he could slide over to the power forward spot and play against smaller power forwards on a night in and night out basis, rather than having a guy who put up the exact same numbers but was later injured, so it doesn't count, because Hakeem knew he was going to be injured. Hakeem rules.

You might as well have said this. Since you are jocking for Hakeem, it's ironic that you'd mention the MVP award as such a critical element to your point, considering most Rocket fans believe it was Hakeem's.

And if we're going to nit pick, I don't exactly see the words "hall of fame" in your quote, but maybe it's that reading comprehension thing. It apparently just flares up when you post.

[JamStone]

Perhaps because your quoting abilities are on the same level as your reading comprehension skills.

What both players did in their respective eras was phenomenal. Hakeem was not raised by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He did not have another Hall of Famer he could lean on when he entered the league to take pressure off of him. Imagine if Hakeem had a well established former MVP center on the Rockets when he first came into the NBA so he could slide over to the power forward spot and play against smaller power forwards on a night in and night out basis. When Hakeem won his les (granted they were in the two seasons Jordan decided to take a break in), he had Drexler one year, but he didn't have much frontcourt help at all. He had Otis Thorpe the first championship, and then Robert Horry the second, who back then was more of a small forward than a power forward. Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Sam Cassell were all solid players, but none were capable of carrying the team. Duncan has been fortunate enough to have had David Robinson his first two championships, and then have Manu and Parker emerge as bonafide superstar type of players, especially when it comes to the playoffs. Now, you can give credit to Tim Duncan to helping them become those players or Pop for coaching them into those kinds of players, but aside from that, Manu and Parker still had to become those players at least in part on their own merit.

You made poor assumptions on what I meant. You did not read what I wrote correctly and then you try to play some lame argument of "semantics" to make yourself feel better.

You misread what I wrote. You misinterpreted and/or misconstrued what I meant.

Leave it at that. And, leave it alone.

[MONTENEGRINO]

Duncan is bigger than Olajuwon. Close, but bigger.

[MONTENEGRINO]

Hakeem was the total package.

So, Timmy isn't? Yet, Hakeem took TWO in time of MJ's retirement, Timmy took second while Shaq was in his prime...
Timmy already has deserved ALL TIME NBA starting 5...What we will say when he retire?

[Booharv]

I'm a Spurs fan but Hakeem is the best big man I've ever seen. I've never seen a player dominate three HOFers who play the same position like that in the playoffs, in such a short period of time.

[MONTENEGRINO]

But anyway, Tim and Hakeem are in my all time best team...
PG Magic
SG MJ
SF Larry Bird
PF Timmy
C Hakeem

[E20]

They were both good players. Can't we just respect both without putting up comparsions? They're both ballin'.

[DOMINATOR]

just ask horry and elie who they thought the better player is... oh wait they both said hakeem.

hakeem in his prime > duncan's prime
duncan's support team > hakeems

with that said i still dont see how you can compare... apples and oranges... not disrespecting duncan here. if i had to choose 1 player to build a team around it would be very hard for me not to choose duncan. duncan makes his teammates better. hakeem didn't always do that.

[Vito Corleone]

Yet he only won two rings???

How many rings would Duncan have won if he had to face the 80's Lakers and Celtics and then the Bad Boys and Bulls? I won't down play what the Spurs have done but right now there is a huge lack of quality play in the NBA. Hakeem played in what is considered to be the Golden Years of the NBA.

[gaKNOW!blee]

just ask horry and elie who they thought the better player is... oh wait they both said hakeem.

hakeem in his prime > duncan's prime
duncan's support team > hakeems

with that said i still dont see how you can compare... apples and oranges... not disrespecting duncan here. if i had to choose 1 player to build a team around it would be very hard for me not to choose duncan. duncan makes his teammates better. hakeem didn't always do that.

He doesnt make his teammates better yet he is better than duncan?

[JamStone]

He doesnt make his teammates better yet he is better than duncan?

Do you believe Steve Nash is a better player than Kobe Bryant?

Making your teammates better alone doesn't mean you're a better player than another player, just like having two DPOY awards doesn't by themselves mean a player is better than another player.

[Booharv]

They were both good players. Can't we just respect both without putting up comparsions? They're both ballin'.

Definitely.

[DOMINATOR]

He doesnt make his teammates better yet he is better than duncan?

as a player yes... individually.

[Obstructed_View]

1984
Atlanta Hawks coach: "Okay boys, we're playing the Rockets tonight. They have two seven footers, including the rookie of the year last season who's averaging 20 points and ten rebounds, but he didn't win the MVP, he's only going to be in three all-star games and his body will start to break down after that. Just swarm Akeem in the low post and we'll be fine."

1998
Atlanta Hawks coach: "Okay boys, we're playing the Spurs tonight. David Robinson has an MVP trophy, and is a lock for the hall of fame, so make sure you swarm him. Just single coverage on Duncan in the low post and we'll be fine."

[mavs>spurs2]

So, Timmy isn't? Yet, Hakeem took TWO in time of MJ's retirement, Timmy took second while Shaq was in his prime...
Timmy already has deserved ALL TIME NBA starting 5...What we will say when he retire?

Don't use Shaq as an example to make a point. Olajuwon schooled Shaq every time they went head to head.

[mavs>spurs2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

Of all people, Spur fans should know better than to underrate Olajuwon like this.

[E20]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SUn7BvZ-4ZQ

They're having the same discussion as in that clip right there under the comments section.


BTW.........that clip is BALLIN' SON.

[j1nsa]

I give Duncan a slight edge. I can't see either player stopping one another. I never seen Duncan get stopped and don't think Hakeem could have stopped him either. When David went up against Hakeem, they usually came out with the same numbers, but David's teams usually won more, except for when Hakeem had that tremendous playoff performance. Dream usually took 10-12 more shots than David in every game, plus more double teaming against David. Duncan is better than David! If Duncan didn't have his great supporting cast, he would average 30 a game and still win, not sure if he would have 4 trophies, maybe for his career. Hakeem, maybe would have had none. Hakeem had Elie, Horry, Cassell, Maxwell, Smith, Drexler, Barkley, Pippen, Sampson, Mobley, Francis. Duncan has/had Horry, Robinson, Elliott, Ginobili, Parker, Elie, Kerr, Finley, Bowen, Jackson, Beno.

[mavs>spurs2]

Dude, Hakeem destroyed David when they went head to head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0