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    i'm just saying that in the end, both dogfighting and hunting serve the same purpose - for humans to get some sort of satisfaction from the death of innocent animals.
    Actually, dogfighting is about the suffering more than the death. If a hunter doesn't get a clean kill he's not happy about it.

    i think hunters are able to hide behind excuses like "we eat the deer" and "population control" to make themselves feel better about the fact that they just really enjoy going out and blowing the living out of Bambi's mother. And that's got a certain sickness to it. Maybe not to the degree of people that enjoy dogfighting, but there's still something wrong with it IMO.
    First of all, so what if they do? If Michael Vick slated his blood lust by going out and bagging a in' deer, he'd be in a load less trouble right now. If someone enjoys shooting a deer just to kill it, and they buy their license and follow the rules, why shouldn't they be able to do it? I wouldn't feel the need to do it, but so what?

    Secondly, people that enjoy hunting don't have any problem killing for meat, and don't apply your bizarre morality to it, so there's no need to "make themselves feel better." Humans have been hunting for food for a hundred thousand years; it's programmed into us to take satisfaction in it. The cavemen who cried because Og killed that poor deer with his spear either starved or learned to deal with it. A hunter doesn't have any guilt about killing a deer, and again, there's no triumph in causing the animal to suffer, which is what dogfighting is all about.

    As for my experience, the people I know that enjoy hunting are among the most responsible people I know. They are typically more likely to come back with nothing but a memory of a hunting trip and stories about what they didn't kill. They certainly aren't pulling in dozens of deer every season, which is why a hunter might mount a buck. They absolutely aren't shooting at everything that moves. The image of the drunk redneck gunning down everything in the forest or the guy with a thousand hunting trophies is, at best, atypical, and at worst a popular Hollywood myth. It's funny that you'd mention Bambi, where everything from owls to sparrows to chipmunks are fleeing for their lives from bullets and buckshot. The people that made that don't understand what a hunting license is or how it works.

    Just for the record, somebody that goes out to a deer lease and shoots a bobcat because he's bored isn't a hunter, he's a poacher, and is no better than Vick, and I'd never attempt to defend someone that does that, nor would anyone I've ever known that hunts.

    if it's strictly for the food, then there's no problem whatsoever with hunting IMO. i just call bull on people who say they go hunting solely because they enjoy venison. i think they get some joy out of ending the life of another living being.
    I call bull on someone that would say that, too. But most of them wouldn't bother saying something that lame. It's just not that simple. Someone that just likes the taste of venison can go buy it. People enjoy hunting for lots of reasons, one of them being the satisfaction of making a kill. There are a thousand reasons they enjoy it, and just because you can't see your way past the icky blood part doesn't make those reasons invalid. Just be glad someone's willing to do it so you can sit back and be judgmental about it without starving deer digging through your garbage.

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    Obviously the govt. can't sanction dogfighting because of the close emotional bond Americans share with dogs. It would cause an outrage.
    Yeah, that's the only reason, and it's why there's that government sanctioned fighting league.

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    dogfighting is like you have a baby boy, and you raise him to be hateful and angry, you physically abuse him and brainwash him that fighting is good. You teach him how to use a knife to kill people.

    When he turns 7 years old, you bring him to a human fight arena. Where all 7 year old kids fight each other in hand to hand combat.

    You pick an opponent, you strap on a double edged knife to his hand, and then you let him go fight in the middle of the arena.

    You bet hundreds of dollars on him. If he loses, you bring him home and you torture him until he dies.

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    Yeah, that's the only reason, and it's why there's that government sanctioned fighting league.
    I didn't say that was the only reason, partner. The govt. has to have some sort of vested interest, something to gain from it. They won't gain a damn thing from fighting so they don't do it. But horse racing... where the animals are pumped full of chemicals to race against eachother with midgets on their backs for money, that the govt. can make a dime off of. Why? Because the rich and elite in our society love it and pay millions to partake.

    I don't particularly care if you agree with every point of my argument, but please tell me you don't actually think the govt. cares about morality and yours or my wellbeing.

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    dogfighting is like you have a baby boy, and you raise him to be hateful and angry, you physically abuse him and brainwash him that fighting is good. You teach him how to use a knife to kill people.

    When he turns 7 years old, you bring him to a human fight arena. Where all 7 year old kids fight each other in hand to hand combat.

    You pick an opponent, you strap on a double edged knife to his hand, and then you let him go fight in the middle of the arena.

    You bet hundreds of dollars on him. If he loses, you bring him home and you torture him until he dies.
    You just described that Jet Li movie where he's the "human pitbull".

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    marbury is an idiot, but of course he has a point. we are talking about putting a guy in jail b/c he pitted dogs against one another...think about that. its insane. some people running this country are insane...

    its a dog, not your dog, but a dog...who gives a .

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    marbury is an idiot, but of course he has a point. we are talking about putting a guy in jail b/c he pitted dogs against one another...think about that. its insane. some people running this country are insane...

    its a dog, not your dog, but a dog...who gives a .
    People that do this to animals are sick..bas deserves to go to jail for what he did. I can't believe you are actually saying it's ok. I hope a pit bites yours and Vicks balls off and eats them.

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    People that do this to animals are sick..bas deserves to go to jail for what he did. I can't believe you are actually saying it's ok. I hope a pit bites yours and Vicks balls off and eats them.
    1. is vick hurting society, really?
    2. is he damaging the dog population?
    3. is vick human?
    4. is vick more important than a dog?
    5. should vick go to jail for treating dogs inhumanely?

    ...think about that? i never said vick was doing something i deemed acceptable and you wont find me at a dog fight in the future, nor have i ever been to one. this is a perfect example of the media getting into a fuss without realizing why they got into a fuss. its outrageous. vick should be fined, at most, and continue being the most overrated QB in the NFL.

    furthermore, i love dogs, cats, all animals. but he isn't fighting anyone's foofoo, or precious little furball...he is fighting his dogs...so the what. and while we are at, whats the big deal with fights?...America is getting overrun by pussies.

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    1. is vick hurting society, really?
    2. is he damaging the dog population?
    3. is vick human?
    4. is vick more important than a dog?
    5. should vick go to jail for treating dogs inhumanely?

    ...think about that? i never said vick was doing something i deemed acceptable and you wont find me at a dog fight in the future, nor have i ever been to one. this is a perfect example of the media getting into a fuss without realizing why they got into a fuss. its outrageous. vick should be fined, at most, and continue being the most overrated QB in the NFL.

    furthermore, i love dogs, cats, all animals. but he isn't fighting anyone's foofoo, or precious little furball...he is fighting his dogs...so the what. and while we are at, whats the big deal with fights?...America is getting overrun by pussies.
    He did kidnap and use other people's pets for "training".

    Besides, you can't just go around electrocuting or torturing animals. It's just not good for society. Society has to put you in jail for that. Or at least in a straight jacket because you're a damned psycho.

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    Texas just electrocuted it's 400th prisoner in the last 25 years... it's not getting overrun by pussies. We kill mother ers around here, but nicely with a syringe and some poison.

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    He did kidnap and use other people's pets for "training".

    Besides, you can't just go around electrocuting or torturing animals. It's just not good for society. Society has to put you in jail for that. Or at least in a straight jacket because you're a damned psycho.
    1. i didn't know about kidnapping other people's pets...if true, yeah, thats ed up. though, i never heard about that...interesting

    2. society does not have to put you in jail for hurting animals...you're nuts. but society should probably fine people and put in some community service

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    Texas just electrocuted it's 400th prisoner in the last 25 years... it's not getting overrun by pussies. We kill mother ers around here, but nicely with a syringe and some poison.
    Texas is 1 of 50 states...not sure if you got that memo.

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    1. i didn't know about kidnapping other people's pets...if true, yeah, thats ed up. though, i never heard about that...interesting

    2. society does not have to put you in jail for hurting animals...you're nuts. but society should probably fine people and put in some community service
    Ah, depends on the level of severity we're talking here. If they're kidnapping people's pets to kill - definitely jail. That's theft of property. If they're killing dozens or more animals on some sort of sick spree - possibly jail, but definitely some mental evaluation. Not long before that becomes people. Just whacking a stray on the street - nice fine, court appearance, and community service.

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    Texas is 1 of 50 states...not sure if you got that memo.
    Yeah I was just being funny. So does that make Texas the only non-pussy state?

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    Ah, depends on the level of severity we're talking here. If they're kidnapping people's pets to kill - definitely jail. That's theft of property. If they're killing dozens or more animals on some sort of sick spree - possibly jail, but definitely some mental evaluation. Not long before that becomes people. Just whacking a stray on the street - nice fine, court appearance, and community service.
    1. stealing?...yes jail

    2. anything else?...no jail, some other measure of reform aside from mass, mass, mass killing

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    Yeah I was just being funny. So does that make Texas the only non-pussy state?
    no, but there aren't many. Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Dakotas, Maine, and Colorado are cool. actually, i was mainly referring to our central government...but OK.

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    The national outrage over this is hollow at best.

    Do people not realize what horses are put through in order to race? What happens to them if they don't produce?

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    The national outrage over this is hollow at best.

    Do people not realize what horses are put through in order to race? What happens to them if they don't produce?
    exactly.

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    Just be glad someone's willing to do it so you can sit back and be judgmental about it without starving deer digging through your garbage.
    If called on to hunt deer for the sole purpose of "population control" then there's really no problem.

    With the stray dog problem experienced in a lot of cities, perhaps the government should take a look into legalizing dogfighting. If it was regulated by the government and done responsibly, it would help greatly with "population control" and appease man's appe e for a "kill". And you wouldn't have starving dogs digging through your garbage.

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    Yeah, that's the only reason, and it's why there's that government sanctioned fighting league.
    is there a population control problem with roosters? if there is, then why not? and then just throw those things on the grill once they're done fighting to cover that base too.

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    People that do this to animals are sick..bas deserves to go to jail for what he did. I can't believe you are actually saying it's ok. I hope a pit bites yours and Vicks balls off and eats them.
    You want a pit to bite off a poster's testicles, but you get your panties in a bunch over a freakin' dog? Human life > dog's life.

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    Maybe he knows Vick personally? And good people do shady things all the time. You don't base judgments off of one incident.
    You are totally correct I'm sure all the recent mothers, who were all cited as good persons, who killed 3 or 4 or 5 of their babies at a time should be let go because we shouldn't base judgements off one incident.





    Dumbass.

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    No, he's a ing moron...

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    Wow, the Capn and Leo have agreed on something.


    By the way, Leo, didn't your favorite team used to be the Mavs?

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    Starbury might have a point but it is a little bit misguided.

    Anyway, dog fighting is still a cruel way to treat dogs/animals. I am not even fond of fighting even it is popular here in the Philippines.

    Anyone seen the bear baiting incidents in Pakistan?

    http://www.wspa-usa.org/pages/391_bear_baiting.cfm

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