Marbury Defends Vick

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i love this reply statement.

i wasn't ing about anything... you don't see me here saying marijuana laws need to be changed or this and that do you? no.

and we as american citizens have no power. best believe that. every day a little bit of our freedom is taken away from us... the power to change laws doesn't lie within the hands of society, it lies within the hands of the people running the show. we had the power to elect a president back in 2000 and what did our votes get us? it got us a crooked man who looks out for his own gain and currupts our system even further, not only that but we got ourselves a cheat who somehow found his way into office. again we have no power so dont be fooled.

my point was that many things are illegal but should they really be illegal? you can be the big pussy and put your total trust into the system but i hope one day you wake up and stop taking the easy route by saying, well it's illegal.

It's people like you who allow it by whining instead of working.

[saporvida]

It's people like you who allow it by whining instead of working.

allow what? the fact marijuana in illegal is because the gov knows no way to tax it right now and it's in their best interest to try and brainwash people into thinking it should stay illegal. little ol' me aint gonna be able to change the minds of the ones on top and thats that so stop acting as if i can because i know damn well it aint gonna work.

and i aint whining so shut the up. i could care less if marijuana is illegal, sure i would love it if it was legal because then id have no reason to be paranoid any longer but either way im gonna smoke it knowing damn well the consequences of my actions. i aint here to play activist.

ps: albertons! sa should had kept krogers around longer...

[Spurminator]

"They are a hot commodity in the world of dogfighting," she said.

Seems like it would be nice bait to begin targeting other rings.

[K-State Spur]

allow what? the fact marijuana in illegal is because the gov knows no way to tax it right now and it's in their best interest to try and brainwash people into thinking it should stay illegal. little ol' me aint gonna be able to change the minds of the ones on top and thats that so stop acting as if i can because i know damn well it aint gonna work.

there are good arguments for legalization, but that's a poor one. canibus would be just as easy to tax as any other crop. plus, the government would save additional money on incarcerations.

the reasons against legalization - whether you agree with them or not - are more based on medical aspects. marijuana does destroy brain cells (at a higher rate than alcohol) and it's both tough and rare to use marijuana in moderation (meaning that user doesn't get stoned).

[ducks]

This thread should be re led to MARBURY IS A

yeah how dare someone not care what others think and actually speak their mind

[saporvida]

there are good arguments for legalization, but that's a poor one. canibus would be just as easy to tax as any other crop. plus, the government would save additional money on incarcerations.

the reasons against legalization - whether you agree with them or not - are more based on medical aspects. marijuana does destroy brain cells (at a higher rate than alcohol) and it's both tough and rare to use marijuana in moderation (meaning that user doesn't get stoned).

you're dead wrong... once again another non-smoker probably giving their valued opinion on something they know nothing about.

id rather kill brain cells then crash into people on the road from being drunk. id rather kill brain cells then acquire cancer cells from cigs(before you use the argument that mj can do the same...find me a case!). this whole brain cell thing is bs anyhow... are you a doctor? then your opinion is bs too, that doesnt mean you cant have an opinion but dont act like you know a lot on this subject.

about taxing well... im sure they could figure some way out to tax it but mj unlike cigs is a lot easier to grow and process so therefor a lot of people will be getting away with growing herb instead of buying it. trust me when you smoke theres always that dream to grow too.

im so sick of the bs debate over mj that either way i could care less whether its legal or not. point is i dont care and im gonna keep chiefing.

ps: show me medical uses for drinking alcohol or smoking cigs or using prescription meth. it's all bs!

[sandman]

Good take and all good points.

He should be convicted, and whatever sentence the courts in that jurisdiction see fit to assess as punishment is fine as long as he is convicted. He knowingly broke the law. I wouldn't be bothered if all he got was heavy fines and community service and a record. But it also would not bother me if he did in fact end up as Tiny's biatch.

A one year suspension from the league for violating the personal conduct policy should be sufficient. But for all intent and purposes his career is probably done. What team owner is going to want him on the payroll. It would be a public relations nightmare. I think the Falcons are tired of this guy and just awaiting the out come of this case to give him the boot.

While Vick is not a pedophile, rapist or seriel killer, no reasonable person would try to equate anything that Vick has done or has been alleged to have done to those offenses but he should be punished. To try to equate the two is ludicrous. However that should not diminish the atrocities that were committed on dogs, squirrels, wombats, humans, (insert favorite animal here) that were committed by him.

Not that I don't find what he did as personally repulsive, but I am trying to be a good Conservative and not project my value system on everyone else. I would not necessarily join a protest march if he were to receive a few years in the pokey (pun intended for Tiny), but I am willing to accept that there could be lesser punishment to which he could be subjected.

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allow what? the fact marijuana in illegal is because the gov knows no way to tax it right now and it's in their best interest to try and brainwash people into thinking it should stay illegal. little ol' me aint gonna be able to change the minds of the ones on top and thats that so stop acting as if i can because i know damn well it aint gonna work.

and i aint whining so shut the up. i could care less if marijuana is illegal, sure i would love it if it was legal because then id have no reason to be paranoid any longer but either way im gonna smoke it knowing damn well the consequences of my actions. i aint here to play activist.

ps: albertons! sa should had kept krogers around longer...

Albertsons? Is that supposed to be an insult to me? I don't work for Albertsons, ya tool. In fact, I work for Kroger.

Just so ya know, my av says "Albertsons: We Are s!" As a former Albertsons employee who was laid off to save a buck, I despise that company far more than you do.

By the way, here in Oregon marijuana was legalized for medical purposes. I know several people who possess and consume it legally here. Do you know how that happened? Citizens of this great state voted for it.

Also, I didn't vote for W. In fact, Kerry won the Oregon electoral votes. Not my fault your state wasted its 34 electoral votes on the moron.

[leemajors]

marbury changed his tune today - now vick was wrong, and it's bad.

[judaspriestess]

MARBURY DEFENDS VICK AUG.22,2007

NEW YORK -- New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury defended Michael Vick, calling dogfighting a sport and comparing it to hunting.

Marbury spoke Monday about the federal dogfighting conspiracy charges against Vick while promoting his basketball shoe in Albany, N.Y.

"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He also faces possible prosecution in Virginia.

"I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down," Marbury said. "I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

This is right up there with deon sanders & tiki barbers comments, ing beyond the pale stupid. dogfighting is NOT like hunting. I don't recall ever hearing a story of hunters making deer fight each other to the death, sharpening their teeth etc and if it was a "sport" why is it behind closed doors and why is it illegal?

Here is a quote from Gandhi and Thomas Edison, and it may sound corny but I find it to be very true:
"A nation's progress can be judged by how they treat their animals". -Gandhi
"Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages". -Thomas A. Edison

Dogfighting, fighting etc. is cruel and savage and simply put is NOT acceptable. The inhumane slaughter of animals for consumption is disgusting too. I hope this opens the doors to treating ALL animals humanely. I don't care if you eat meat, I have a problem with how animals are cruelly slaughtered. Hunting, well at least you kill the animal quickly and there is no pain.
you Michael Vick and anyone and everyone who condones this senseless treatment of a sentient being.

[duncan228]

marbury changed his tune today - now vick was wrong, and it's bad.

Did he really?

Got a link or what he said?

[T Park]

In fact, Kerry won the Oregon electoral votes. Not my fault your state wasted its 34 electoral votes on the moron.

Not our fault you like to vote for people that have no clue what they are voting on.

[The Truth #6]

This thread is hilarious. People go out of there way to slam Vick for his treatment of animals AND Peta for their defense of animals in the same post. Animals are killed all the time for product testing and other than the Peta crowd most people don't think much of it. Animals are killed cruelly all the time for a variety of reasons, yet it's this instance that somehow out of nowhere creates a firestorm of outrage.

This issue seems to have more to do with people's at udes towards other people - Peta is full of filthy hippies, Vick is an out of control black athlete - than it does with the animals themselves. I say that because its not like anything positive momentum is coming out of all of this. Compared to slaughterhouses and animal product testing, pitbull fighting is a small percentage of animal cruelty. Its not like pitbull fighting is a great scourge on society. Its a small situation. So, people allow themselves to get all worked up and hate Vick because they don't like Vick anyway.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh my god.. here is the culture argument.

Its not your culture if its a felony, okay.
This is a southern sport that has migrated to inner cities and become part of the drug culture. Read anything about it and thats clear. The culture argument doesnt stand up.

Thats like saying a bunch of herione addicts are just part of a subculture that gets high all the time, its no different then drinking... except its a in felony.

And torturing dogs to death and forcing them to fight by breeding and training them for that purpose is illegal, pure and simple. There is no justification for this... and saying its his culture is bull and you know it.

Again we torture and kill animals every single day for little to no purpose.

Cosmetics testing is much much worse than dog fighting for example yet it is commonly accepted. You do realize that it is perfectly legal to spray alcohol based propellants into the eyes of animals to 'test' what that will do?
Its funny that so many of you cannot justify it other than babbling about it being illegal which is exactly my point.

Plato was right about the evils of democracy becuase youre ed if youre a minority culture in the US and your customs dont meet up with the imperialist majority.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...r6l2lg0&src=ap


Pit Bulls at Vick's House Face Deadline
Updated 5:18 AM ET August 23, 2007


By ZINIE CHEN SAMPSON

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - More than 50 pit bulls seized from Michael Vick's property face a Thursday deadline to be claimed. If no one comes forward, they could be euthanized.

Federal prosecutors filed court do ents last month to condemn 53 pit bulls seized in April as part of the investigation into dogfighting on the Vick's property. No one has claimed any of the dogs, which are being held at several unspecified shelters in eastern Virginia, the U.S. Attorney's office said Wednesday.

The civil complaint filed by federal prosecutors does not name the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and is separate from the criminal case against him. But it does state the pit bulls were part of the dogfighting operation known as "Bad Newz Kennels," which Vick and three cohorts are accused of operating.

Also included in the do ent are detailed allegations about the nature of the animals' training regimen and the dogfights occurring at Vick's property at 1915 Moonlight Road in Surry County.

The government filed three public civil forfeiture notices in a Richmond newspaper to publicize the dogs' confiscation, and the deadline for claims is 30 days after the appearance of the final notice, filed July 24.

Federal prosecutors declined to comment Wednesday on the seized dogs. Typically, when confiscated property goes unclaimed, the government asks the court to have the items declared forfeited. In this case, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson will make the final decision on the dogs' fate.

"There's no dispute over who owns the dogs," said Daphna Nachminovitch, a spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "Obviously this is not going to be a process where someone steps forward and says, 'This is my dog, can I have her back, please?' "

Though Hudson, who also is handling Vick's criminal case, will determine what becomes of the pit bulls, Nachminovitch said that it's likely that they will be euthanized because they're not adoptable as pets.

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them."

Vick, 27, said through a lawyer this week that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He is scheduled to enter his plea agreement Monday and could face up to five years in prison.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. They said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the Bad Newz Kennels enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging.

The locations of the shelters holding the dogs haven't been disclosed out of concern that the animals could be stolen, Nachminovitch said.

"They are a hot commodity in the world of dogfighting," she said.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

LMAO Vick cannot kill them but we can. This is rich. Bloody hypocrites.

[judaspriestess]

LMAO Vick cannot kill them but we can. This is rich. Bloody hypocrites.

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them."

^^^^I think this should answer your question.


"Any society which does not insist upon respect for all life must necessarily decay." -Albert Einstein

[T Park]

Fuzzy Lumpkins congrats, you can now be considered an evil person just as equal as vick since you find it "OK" for Vick to hang and drown dogs.

[T Park]

No, I don't know why he has a UPC on his arm. Maybe that's how they track foul calls over there or something.

whats keeping you here?

Cuba will take ya.

Castro is such a nice fellow.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them."

^^^^I think this should answer your question.


"Any society which does not insist upon respect for all life must necessarily decay." -Albert Einstein

Its basically an admission that it is within their nature to behave in the manner that they do then. The bottonline is that we are essentially saying that dogs have no right to live but Vick cannot kill them in the manner tha he does. Its so stupid its mundnumbing.

And Ive read ideas and opinions too. Hes a great physicist but as a political theorist and a moralist he leaves quite a bit to be desired. He was big into Kant and my whole point in all of this is that animal cruelty is not a priori in any way shape or form.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy Lumpkins congrats, you can now be considered an evil person just as equal as vick since you find it "OK" for Vick to hang and drown dogs.

I dont condone dogfighting. Ive said that several times now. I think its cruel to animals. OTOH I find equal protection to be more important as its a human right and allowing people to perform animal testing and trophy hunting yet singling out one form of animal abuse.

If were going to allow horrible animal abuse for cheap thrills and vanity on one end who the are we to sya that others cannot do it in their own way.

Slaughterhouses are akin to nazi death camps which are perhaps the greaatest horror other than perhaps Khmer Rouge in the last century.

No one bats an eye at that but oh no save the dogs. Its stupid.

[judaspriestess]

Its basically an admission that it is within their nature to behave in the manner that they do then. The bottonline is that we are essentially saying that dogs have no right to live but Vick cannot kill them in the manner tha he does. Its so stupid its mundnumbing.

And Ive read ideas and opinions too. Hes a great physicist but as a political theorist and a moralist he leaves quite a bit to be desired. He was big into Kant and my whole point in all of this is that animal cruelty is not a priori in any way shape or form.

dude, its NOT a priority to YOU but see this isn't about you. Maybe you feel its not a big deal but others do. what is mundnumbing btw?

I dont condone dogfighting. Ive said that several times now. I think its cruel to animals. OTOH I find equal protection to be more important as its a human right and allowing people to perform animal testing and trophy hunting yet singling out one form of animal abuse.

If were going to allow horrible animal abuse for cheap thrills and vanity on one end who the are we to sya that others cannot do it in their own way.

Slaughterhouses are akin to nazi death camps which are perhaps the greaatest horror other than perhaps Khmer Rouge in the last century.

No one bats an eye at that but oh no save the dogs. Its stupid.

Ok I will agree with you on this. You are correct as I have stated in an earlier post. I hope this opens the doors to all animals being treated in a more humane way. This is why I stopped eating meat, I have an issue with the way animals are treated, I also try not to buy products from companies who still use animals to test their products. On vick, its is a form of selective anger BUT there are certain crimes that just enrage people more than others.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

dude, its NOT a priority to YOU but see this isn't about you. Maybe you feel its not a big deal but others do. what is mundnumbing btw?

That they are going to put Vick in jail for killing dogs and that the government that is going to do this to him is going to kill the rest of his dogs.

Its only a big deal because people in this country are generally culturally naive and believe that everyone should have the same values as them and if they dont that they are cruel or evil or whatever nonsense is spewed similar to T Park.

The thing you dont get is that I find dog fighting disgusting as well. OTOH I also realize that its a custom of a different culture that dont impinge on HUMAN rights and i dont judge people that practice the customs with which they were raised. Dogfighting wasnt being banned until about 20 years ago.

Its the same way I deal with bullfighting in Spain or the various cuisine choices around the world. Im sure thats also the way that other cultures deal with our culture having made cows are collective whipping boy.

[judaspriestess]

That they are going to put Vick in jail for killing dogs and that the government that is going to do this to them is going to kill the test of his dogs.

Its only a big deal because people in this country are generally culturally naive and believe that everyone should have the same values as them and if they dont that they are cruel or evil or whatever nonsense is spewed similar to T Park.

The thing you dont get is that I find dog fighting disgusting as well. OTOH I also realize that its a custom of a different culture that dont impinge on HUMAN rights and i dont judge people that practice the customs with which they were raised. Dogfighting wasnt being banned until about 20 years ago.

Its the same way I deal with bullfighting in Spain or the various cuisine choices around the world. Im sure thats also the way that other cultures deal with our culture having made cows are collective whipping boy.

I see now how you are bringing your point across.
Unfortunately these dogs cannot be rehabed. They are now instinctually inclined to kill anything. ANY dog can be trained to kill as any human can. The difference is, the are going to be EUTHANIZED. That is a very humane way to die. I was terrified of putting my baby cat down a couple of years ago cause he had cancer but I had to and once I did, he died very peacefully. These poor animals will at least die with dignity not from being abused. I am with you all the way about the selectiveness of the outrage. Lets hope this opens the doors that need to be opened.

[RC's Boss]

Ok, Vick is not an animal hater, but ironically enough I couldn't find any Vick Tshirts that had "animal lover" underneath. Weird, huh?

Does the name Sonya Elliot ring a bell? That was the lady who sued Vick for allegedly passing on genital herpes knowingly without informing her. Then he checks into a clinic seeking treatment under the alias of Ron Mexico. The suit was settled out of court so we will probably never know the full story.


How about when Vick gave fans in the Georgia Dome the double whammy two fisted obscene middle finger salute. I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying hi to all his loyal fans and those who supported him. Bad day at the office, I'll just go flip off some people "at my work place". That'll really endear me to my boss and clients.

How about in jan when he was stopped at Miami International on his way home to Atlanta and a water bottle with a hidden compartment was confiscated by security because he was reluctant to leave it behind. Though never charged, come on that should sound off some warning bells. Everyone puts their valuables in containers that can't be carried thru security or on a plane. Of course it's common practice.

Which brings us to his latest faux paux; being an active, participating member in an illegal dogfighting ring. Let me repharase that - he actually sanctioned, funded, ran and participated in the operation.

Ok, maybe Vick is not a skid mark, lower lifeform or demonic creature. What would you call someone who demonstrates no conscience, remorse or lack of feeling and empathy for his victims and those he has hurt? I believe the term is pyschopath. And this time regardless of whatever punishment he gets, he will also be proven to show what he truely is - a criminal.

Boy you did some research! Not research of planetary alignments or global warming, but something important, like Michael Vick's life (Sounds a bit crazy to me) HEAR ME LOUD AND CLEAR. TO ALL THAT CONDEMN VICK FOR WHAT HE DID TO THOSE "POOR" DOGS, THERE'S NOT YOU CAN POST ON THIS FORUM THAT WOULD ME ME GIVE TWO S ABOUT SOME ING MANGY ASS DOGS BEING ABUSED! btw, If I'm having a bad day, I flip people off on the freeway all the time during heavty traffic. I guess I should be hospitalized huh Also, Kobe didn't rape that tramp w/ the different semen samples in her panties! I'm no laker fan, but damn! If she was seeking justice, she would have let the case go to trial rather than take her "undisclosed" sum of money and haul ass to sunny Florida.

[K-State Spur]

id rather kill brain cells then crash into people on the road from being drunk...

mj unlike cigs is a lot easier to grow and process so therefor a lot of people will be getting away with growing herb instead of buying it.

well, last time i checked, driving drunk isn't legal either, so not quite sure what that has to do with anything.

as for the growing - some people might try to do it. but once you legalize it, it's very likely that large corporation could sell it much easier and cheaper - and completely taxable.

people can grow tomato plants in their backyards as well - but most still get their produce from the grocery store.

i'm actually in favor of legalization. i'm just telling you that the theory that it isn't legal is because it is untaxable is BS.