Shawn Marion is a whiny

[exstatic]

1) While Ron Artest has many good defensive qualities, the ability to stay in front of Tony Parker isn't one of them. While Bowen can effectively guard 1-3, Artest's positional range is more like 2-4, and it had better not be a particularly quick 2 guard, either.

2) Stephen Jackson has some maturity and judgment issues, but to compare him to Artest is ludicrous. Artest is actually mentally ill. He's been prescribed psychiatric meds, but he refuses to take them. If there is some sort of player disruption Richter scale, Jack is about a 3 and Artest is a 9.5.

[anakha]

I think that Nash has that alpha-dog status. While Amare and Marion might be having that pissing match, it doesn't seem like anybody on the team every questions Nash's heart and leadership (while Nash goes after Marion and Amare occasionally). At least that's what I got from following the team.

I don't think that Ron would have a big problem fitting in here. He could be at the point in his career where (at least for a year) he could be held in check by the prospect of winning a championship and playing with a very good team where he'll get alot of recognition (they guy who got us over the hump, etc.). Look at how much Steven Jackson helped out Golden State this year. Hopefully it would have the same effect. It's a gamble for sure, but sitting here with our thumbs up our asses really isn't helping much either.

Interesting that you brought up Phil Jackson. If Mike D'Antoni would spend half the time he spends pouting and stomping his feet like an 11 year old girl on legitimate defensive rotations, we'd go 82-0.

While I do agree that Phoenix needs a change if they are to get over the hump this season, I'd say Artest would be too much of a gamble for them.

In terms of replacing Marion's position and at least a bit of his skillset, I'd rather go after Gerald Wallace or Desmond Mason. Strong, athletic, pretty good rebounders for their position, and can play smallball PF in the Suns' system.

In terms of addressing needs, I think what Phoenix needs to do is get an athletic big who can hopefully run on the break, but whose primary role is to bang with Duncan on the block and save Amare from getting in too much foul trouble. Kinda like Diop in Dallas. That's why I was relieved that Phoenix didn't get Atlanta's pick this past draft because they could really have addressed that need then.

But because of the Suns' financial policy, whoever that guy would be, that guy would have to come really cheap. Think Kurt Thomas without Kurt Thomas's contract.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

While I do agree that Phoenix needs a change if they are to get over the hump this season, I'd say Artest would be too much of a gamble for them.

In terms of replacing Marion's position and at least a bit of his skillset, I'd rather go after Gerald Wallace or Desmond Mason. Strong, athletic, pretty good rebounders for their position, and can play smallball PF in the Suns' system.

In terms of addressing needs, I think what Phoenix needs to do is get an athletic big who can hopefully run on the break, but whose primary role is to bang with Duncan on the block and save Amare from getting in too much foul trouble. Kinda like Diop in Dallas. That's why I was relieved that Phoenix didn't get Atlanta's pick this past draft because they could really have addressed that need then.

But because of the Suns' financial policy, whoever that guy would be, that guy would have to come really cheap. Think Kurt Thomas without Kurt Thomas's contract.

I like G-dub alot, but all of those injuries concern me. Say what you want about Matrix, at least he's durable as all . Despite what some might say, the regular season does mean alot, and getting that number one seed so we don't have to play both Dallas and San Antonio would really improve our chances.

The guy who probably would've fit well in our system (and who there was rumors of us trading for), would be Sheed. Tim Thomas really gave us an extra dimension in '06 with his three point shooting, and Sheed is a tough guy who can play some good D as well as shoot the three ball. Too bad there's about a zero percent chance of that happening.

Speaking of that "Diop" role and Atlanta's pick. The guy I really want to see us pick up is Hasheem Thabeet. Can run the floor well for a guy his size, and could be an absolute monster on the board. He'd be a great compliment for Amare and allow us to move Amare to his natural position of power forward after D'Antoni and his small ball bull is up in the WNBA.

[anakha]

Speaking of that "Diop" role and Atlanta's pick. The guy I really want to see us pick up is Hasheem Thabeet. Can run the floor well for a guy his size, and could be an absolute monster on the board. He'd be a great compliment for Amare and allow us to move Amare to his natural position of power forward after D'Antoni and his small ball bull is up in the WNBA.

Interesting. Are you advocating that Phoenix abandon its current system and go with a more conventional build to the team?

I love the Spurs, but I have to admit that teams that aren't built the conventional way can and have given them fits before. Milwaukee with its high-post system based around a non-traditional center in Bogut, Dallas with Dirk, Sacramento with Bonzi the post threat (in the 06 playoffs), and Utah with Okur have presented matchup challenges that have resulted in Spurs losses before. It's the conventionally-built teams that San Antonio matches up with the best.

I'm not advocating a complete dismantling of the Suns's current system. What I think Phoenix should do is tweak its lineup in a way similar to what Dallas has been successfully been able to do - field an unconventional lineup which can occasionally play, or at least defend, in a conventional way. Diop (and to a lesser extent, Dampier) and Howard allow Dallas the flexibility to do that. The biggest flaw in D'Antoni's current system is that he doesn't have that kind of flexibility right now - either you can play his way, or not at all.

IMO, the current system has brought Phoenix some success already - they just need to build on that.

[RonMexico]

I think Ron Artest shouldn't be in the discussion.

Ron Mexico, however, fits perfectly...

[Reggie Miller]

If there is some sort of player disruption Richter scale, Jack is about a 3 and Artest is a 9.5.

I would agree, but you missed one critical factor. PUT THEM TOGETHER, and they both go to 11.

[Findog]

Shawn Marion is a REALLY whiny :

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...extension-now/

Shawn Marion has spent his entire time with Phoenix outshined by other, more glamorous Suns. However, this summer he has been like the most talked-about basketball player in the league. First, he was mentioned non-stop in the Kevin Garnett rumor storm; more recently, his name has came up in reference to Andrei Kirilenko.

And now, Marion--already the highest-paid Sun--is griping about his contract situation again. From The Arizona Republic:
According to several Suns sources, Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension. The word is that the four-time All-Star, in his eighth year with the team, wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.

Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal. The locker-room reviews on such an idea are mixed.
This might the tipping point for Shawn Marion's good graces with fans. He's underrated, under-appreciated, and almost as important as Steve Nash to that team's style. But dude, take it easy. So they're not ready to talk yet; maybe that's because, sorry to say it, you're not actually a max player. A darn good one, but not a knee-jerk, break-the-bank piece, especially as you age a little. Maybe nothing comes of this, or maybe this is finally the straw that sends Marion tumbling out of Phoenix.

[SenorSpur]

He is a whiny , but I think where he feels the most slighted is that he really doesn't have any offensive plays called for him. The overwhelming majority of his points come in transition, offensive rebounding, and kickouts or swings as a secondary option. The offense revolves around the pick-and-roll with Steve Nash and Amare. I think the root of Marion's jealousy, whether warranted or not, is somehow tied into the fact that he is rarely if ever a primary scoring option. He is an afterthought, a second option at best.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a whiny little . But, I don't think it's about him getting paid more or getting more pub. I think he wants to be a focal point of the offense.

He's still a though.

Don't look now, but your boy is looking for an extension to his already exhorbiant salary.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...-extension-now/

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Link doesn't work.

[ShoogarBear]

Shawn Marion is a whiny

Doo-da, doo-da.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Shawn Marion is a REALLY whiny :

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...extension-now/

Shawn Marion has spent his entire time with Phoenix outshined by other, more glamorous Suns. However, this summer he has been like the most talked-about basketball player in the league. First, he was mentioned non-stop in the Kevin Garnett rumor storm; more recently, his name has came up in reference to Andrei Kirilenko.

And now, Marion--already the highest-paid Sun--is griping about his contract situation again. From The Arizona Republic:
According to several Suns sources, Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension. The word is that the four-time All-Star, in his eighth year with the team, wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.

Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal. The locker-room reviews on such an idea are mixed.
This might the tipping point for Shawn Marion's good graces with fans. He's underrated, under-appreciated, and almost as important as Steve Nash to that team's style. But dude, take it easy. So they're not ready to talk yet; maybe that's because, sorry to say it, you're not actually a max player. A darn good one, but not a knee-jerk, break-the-bank piece, especially as you age a little. Maybe nothing comes of this, or maybe this is finally the straw that sends Marion tumbling out of Phoenix.

Shawn is already overpaid. He can get the out of Phoenix if he wants twenty mil a year.

[yourcheatinheart]

i want that rasheed wallace for shawn marion trade to happen right ing now!!!



Marion would welcome trade.

Discouraged after another summer of trade rumors involving him, Suns forward Shawn Marion said Tuesday night that he would welcome a trade to another team.

Marion, a four-time NBA All-Star and the Suns' highest-paid player, said the team has been unwilling to discuss a contract extension.

"I'm tired of hearing my name in trades," Marion said. "I love my fans in Phoenix, but I think it's time for me to move on."






Marion has two years left on his contract and will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million in the 2008-09 season.

Suns General Manager Steve Kerr declined comment.

[ShoogarBear]

It's really starting to look like that AK for Marion trade is made in heaven.

[Findog]

i want that rasheed wallace for shawn marion trade to happen right ing now!!!



Marion would welcome trade.

Discouraged after another summer of trade rumors involving him, Suns forward Shawn Marion said Tuesday night that he would welcome a trade to another team.

Marion, a four-time NBA All-Star and the Suns' highest-paid player, said the team has been unwilling to discuss a contract extension.

"I'm tired of hearing my name in trades," Marion said. "I love my fans in Phoenix, but I think it's time for me to move on."






Marion has two years left on his contract and will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million in the 2008-09 season.

Suns General Manager Steve Kerr declined comment.

What a dumbass. Phoenix is the perfect situation for him. He won't be craving so much attention when he's anchoring a crap team or he doesn't have his buddy Nash to create for him.

[JackArse]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...marion-ON.html

and well, the storm starts.

as far as i'm concerned (and i'm sure he cares) don't like the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

he's the highest paid suns player right now, and he wants a 3 year 60 mil deal..
i'd rather see that money put to use where we can actually have a damn bench that plays worth a damn.

his main talk is going to the lakers, and i'm sure only kupchak and the knicks are dumb enough to pay that price.