If you going by Euroleague team then only stat against those team count not stat for whole year.
And you actual think stats like these on team that always lose and have zero other good player same thing as stat like Scola have be plays on one of top 4 teams in Europe?
By all means...put up Scola's Spanish League numbers against Bonner's Italian League numbers...
Ok, I get your comparison now. But it`s not quite right. Euroleague is played during the regular season of national leagues. You can`t come into it during the season, like some season finale or something. And most teams have contracts with the Euroleague, so most other teams can`t come into it just like that.
So if you said what you say here to some European he would laugh at you. Like people in the US would laugh at me if I said Longhorns are an NBA team.
They have records of 8-26 and his team finish last place #18 in Italy Bonner so great leads team to 8-26 records!
This compares to Scola play actual in Euroleague not just Serie A of Italy and also have team be top 4 in Euroleague? I think Scola score like 25 a game he play on team like Sicilia Messina.
You makes no sense. You know Spanoulis can score like 30 point a game if he plays for last places team in Greek A1 right and you say he is crap player? But with team like Panathinaikos which is best team in league he will score more like 12-15 a game because team not need more than this.
19 point a game for player like Bonner in Serie A on such terrible team not very good stat to me. Scola in same team easily beat this number of 19 point a game on same team.
You can't say who is better between Scola and Bonner by looking at what they have done in Europe.
Saying that Bonner is better because his stats were great is stupid because Bonner was on crappy team that only played the Italian league. the Italian league level is lower than the Spanish league and Euroleague level.
Saying that Scola is better than Bonner because of what he has done in Europe is too stupid. Bonner has only stayed one year in Europe and was putting great stats. We will never know what Bonner would have done in a top team in Europe if he had decided to stay longer in Europe.
We will know who is better in two years by looking at what Scola does in his nba sop re year. If Scola outplayed Bonner this year we will to know that he is better.
Yes agrees but I say Scola is better player though. He have the much better passing and scoring ability.
We will see. Bonner offensive game isn't the same at all than Scola's one and nobody knows how well Scola's offensive game will work in nba. It's kinda comparing oranges with potatoes.
But Scola able to make the good pass and to shoot the 4.5m shot and he has the very good low posts game. Bonner have only better long away shots as be better than Scola. Both player fit good on teams they play with. But Scola is good starts player for NBA Bonner not good starts player for NBA.
I can say with all certainty that of the two of them...Bonner played against more good teams at the National level...
Bonner played for the crappiest team in his National League...that means he didn't get to play against them. Scola played for one of the best...which was one less good team he had to play against.
We will know who is better in two years by looking at what Scola does in his nba sop re year. If Scola outplayed Bonner this year we will to know that he is better.
I'm going to say no to that, emphatically....that will not prove which one is better...
The Spurs are the better team, and Bonner plays at the deepest position...he's going to get fewer minutes whether he's better than Scola, or not.
Additionally...Scola is going to play for a coach who is known for high scoring teams...teams that push the ball, that shoot early in the shotclock...the Spurs can play that style, but it's not a set style for them. It's almost a certainty that Scola is going to get more points.
It's not going to be as easy as simply comparing numbers...
And the most important number will be rebounds...not points.
People all know Scola 2nd best player of Argentina team. He better player on national team than player like Oberto, Hermann and them. Is Bonner even as good player as Hermann? Hermann should be considers better than Bonner.
If Bonner can consistently shoot the 3, defend, and elevate his play in the playoffs he will be more valuable to the Spurs than Scola would have been after Horry retires following this season. With Splitter coming next season the Spurs will need a 4 who can stretch the floor, not an undersized 4 with a good offensive low post game but questionable defense and rebounding.
I can tell you right now...Scola's FG% is going to take a huge drop, and he is going to be a subpar rebounder.
The defense is very different, as is the skill level of those that will be defending him...and Scola isn't blessed with the athleticism or speed, to overcome that change...
Manu had the speed to make the change...
Oberto's game is 100% smarts...
Scola's going to be a PF that scores maybe 15 ppg and pulls down 6 boards tops...but he's not to score that 15 PPG on 50%+ shooting like he did in Europe...he's going to do it at about 44%...very low PCT for a post scoring PF in the NBA. And he's going to give up as much as he's scoring.
Very good low posts move in Euroleague.
Are you sure that his low posts moves will still be that good in nba ? I'm not that sure. We will have to wait and see.
And saying that Scola is a starting level player in nba while he hasn't played a single minute is a big reach.
The National Team of Argentina is a great team because of it's team strength...not it's individual strength...
There's only one SuperStar on that team, and it's Manu...you take Manu off and it doesn't win jack...in fact, it hasn't.
And if we'd had Bonner in 2004, we might have won the Gold...he obviously plays well by FIBA rules...and he had the 3 shooting that team lacked.
In Amerikas 2007 he have make player like the Howard and Amare look like joke player with his post scores. Also he can shoots the 4-5 meter shots so this with his passes make him so good for Yao and the coach Adelmam. And you forget the coach not Van Gundy there now. Yes he will starts player bases on they can play not bases on how he like player look or speak like Van Gundy.
Agree. You will look at the whole package but you will be able to compare them.
Yes he think only 3 good team in Spanish league?
Team USA didn't play D and it was a blowout game.
Scola midrange jumper is average. Tons of nba bigmen have a better midrange jumpshot.
Hmm maybe I confuse which player be these? How many be "tons"? Most the player even not have the average shot from that position. And Scola be hard to defense because the post game and the passes with the offense of Kings and Yao with him. I not see Bonner have any of these ability.
Yes he think only 3 good team in Spanish league?
Look I hate to break this to you guys, but it's not that hard to see which players will translate and which ones won't...
They have to have the physical ability to do it, or be an extremely smart player...if they lack that, they won't transfer and they'll get owned.
Parker tranferred? Parker is lightning fast.
Manu transferred? Manu is freaking fast.
Gasol? He's fast...for a 7 footer, he's also more coordinated than most of them...and this is a down era for C's as well.
Dirk? Dirk is freaking fast...on offense...especially with the ball...he's like a 7 foot 2 guard.
Sabonis? He was as big as freaking house with the passing skill of a PG.
Peja? Peja can freaking move and shoot for a guy as big as he is.... Plus he's a legit fantastic shooter, He doesn't even look like he's 6'10 because of the way he moves.
AK 47? He's lightning quick with freakishly long arms...
Nash? Fast.
Scola? He's not fast, he's not big, he's not quick....and the guys that will be defeding him are a whole new level of defender, that play a whole different level of defense.
You can start the list with Juwon Howard.
As a green fan, you should know that his jump shot isn't good. He struggle against your team because he couldn't score in the post.
No Scola better shooter than Juwan Howard.
Here's the debate from before Sarunas came over...one of them...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...hlight=Sarunas
Enjoy...and don't say you weren't warned.
If you guys should ever run into Dario over there in Europe...tell him I said apology accepted.
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