Possible bad news RE: Turkey and Iraq

[clambake]

15 Turkish soldiers were recently killed, in Turkey, by some militant Kurdish force that has been crossing the border to wreak havoc. It's not the Turks that are doing the ing with.

We and Iraq have assured Turkey that we will deal with the problem and have asked them to stay their hand. Pelosi's resolution works (intentionally, I hasten to add) to undermine this tenuous agreement.

you have completely freaked out

[George Gervin's Afro]

Nice dodge.

What do you believe is Pelosi's motivation for bringing this resolution now?

I don't pretend to know people motives but republicans seem to understand everyone's they don't agree with.


so i noticed you dodged my question. why was it ok for and dummy to 'infuriate' our traditional allies when they did not blindly follow them into the Iraq war? you seem to be outraged that an ally has been wronged yet you were probably in sync with criticizing those in the run up to the unecessary war. so if i understand your point you were ok with demeaning and disrespecting our allies in the run up to the war but you are now against demaning our current allies? you were for it before you were against it?

[Yonivore]

I don't pretend to know people motives but republicans seem to understand everyone's they don't agree with.

That's a joke. You pretend to know President Bush's motives all the time.

Why did Pelosi bring up a resolution, now, condemning Turkey for the genocide of Armenians almost 100 years ago?

C'mon, surely you have an opinion on the matter.

[Oh, Gee!!]

That's a joke. You pretend to know President Bush's motives all the time.

Why did Pelosi bring up a resolution, now, condemning Turkey for the genocide of Armenians almost 100 years ago?

C'mon, surely you have an opinion on the matter.

because there's an Armenian lobby that pushed for it?

[George Gervin's Afro]

That's a joke. You pretend to know President Bush's motives all the time.

Why did Pelosi bring up a resolution, now, condemning Turkey for the genocide of Armenians almost 100 years ago?

C'mon, surely you have an opinion on the matter.

so i noticed you dodged my question. why was it ok for and dummy to 'infuriate' our traditional allies when they did not blindly follow them into the Iraq war? you seem to be outraged that an ally has been wronged yet you were probably in sync with criticizing those in the run up to the unecessary war. so if i understand your point you were ok with demeaning and disrespecting our allies in the run up to the war but you are now against demaning our current allies? you were for it before you were against it?



I don't pretend to know why bush wanted at iraq so badly. i took at him at his word which apparently was my first mistake.

[Yonivore]

because there's an Armenian lobby that pushed for it?

If so, they've probably been pushing for it for 95 years. What changed?

[Yonivore]

so i noticed you dodged my question. why was it ok for and dummy to 'infuriate' our traditional allies when they did not blindly follow them into the Iraq war?

I didn't dodge your question, it wasn't relevant to the thread. If you want to relive that history, start another thread.

you seem to be outraged that an ally has been wronged yet you were probably in sync with criticizing those in the run up to the unecessary war. so if i understand your point you were ok with demeaning and disrespecting our allies in the run up to the war but you are now against demaning our current allies? you were for it before you were against it?

Actually, I'm outraged that a U.S. Congress would attempt to sabotage our military efforts in Iraq -- and put our soldiers at risk -- by pissing off an ally, simply to make domestic political points. You can't make the same corollation with Secretary Rumsfeld's statements.

I don't pretend to know why bush wanted at iraq so badly. i took at him at his word which apparently was my first mistake.

Whatever; Iraq is just about won, though. Which, incidentally, is why I believe Pelosi is trying to start another war in Northern Iraq.

[clambake]

If so, they've probably been pushing for it for 95 years. What changed?

are you for or against genocide? lets take this discussion in steps

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Yonivore you are seriously ed in the head far worse than me if you think Pelosi is just doing this to with the progress in iraq.

And i listen to alex ing jones..

[ChumpDumper]

Iraq is just about won, though. Which, incidentally, is why I believe Pelosi is trying to start another war in Northern Iraq.

This gets better and better.

The big players in Iraq are simply waiting us out. They know we are going to leave quite soon in the grand scheme of things. Then the great religious/ethnic reckoning will take place and we will be unwilling and unable to do anything about it. Anyone who thinks Iraq will be a free federal democracy in a decade is seditiously stupid.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL I caught that too and was like "WTF?!....how.....seditious...

[mookie2001]

MLKs dream was for Iraqis too

[Yonivore]

Yonivore you are seriously ed in the head far worse than me if you think Pelosi is just doing this to with the progress in iraq.

And i listen to alex ing jones..

So, why is she doing it then?

[Wild Cobra]

So, why is she doing it then?

Yes Faded, why is she doing it? What other explaination is there?

[Yonivore]

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[George Gervin's Afro]

Yonivore you are seriously ed in the head far worse than me if you think Pelosi is just doing this to with the progress in iraq.

And i listen to alex ing jones..

no he believes it. you have to understand that yoni and his ilk seem to think that everyone is out to get them and their party. they are paranoid and overly sensitive.. plus they hate being in the minority even though it is better for the country when they are..

[Yonivore]

no he believes it. you have to understand that yoni and his ilk seem to think that everyone is out to get them and their party. they are paranoid and overly sensitive.. plus they hate being in the minority even though it is better for the country when they are..

Once again, you're not forwarding an alterior motive that would have driven Speaker Pelosi to introduce what she most certainly knew would be a resolution that would cause tension in the region.

She's either oblivious to geopolitical nuances or she was attempting to create that tension.

Or, give me an third option.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Once again, you're not forwarding an alterior motive that would have driven Speaker Pelosi to introduce what she most certainly knew would be a resolution that would cause tension in the region.

She's either oblivious to geopolitical nuances or she was attempting to create that tension.

Or, give me an third option.

from what I have heard this resolution has origins in the early 90's so it's possible that this is the first time many thought it could pass.

[Wild Cobra]

from what I have heard this resolution has origins in the early 90's so it's possible that this is the first time many thought it could pass.

So what is the motivation for passing it? Best guesses will suffice.

[Yonivore]

from what I have heard this resolution has origins in the early 90's so it's possible that this is the first time many thought it could pass.

Well, it's already been squashed before it gets to a vote so, that's some pretty poor thinking and, at a pretty insensitive time, no less.

Doesn't speak well of Pelosi's judgement, I'd say.

If it's been languishing since the early 90's, then that only bolsters the argument that Pelosi brought it up to achieve another goal.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So what is the motivation for passing it? Best guesses will suffice.

I don't assign motivations... I have already made that very clear and that is wtih both sides...

before you bring up my bush bashing i criticize his decisions not his motivations on why he made them

[Yonivore]

I don't assign motivations... I have already made that very clear and that is wtih both sides...

before you bring up my bush bashing i criticize his decisions not his motivations on why he made them

So, would you criticize her decision to bring the resolution up for a vote? Do you believe her decision to bring the resolution up for a vote had potentially catastrophic consequences in Northern Iraq?

And, if you do, wouldn't you want to know why the she did it? Are you that incurious?

[Oh, Gee!!]

So what is the motivation for passing it? Best guesses will suffice.

the Armenian voting bloc in S.F. pushed hard for the resolution, so she caved.

[Yonivore]

the Armenian voting bloc in S.F. pushed hard for the resolution, so she caved.

At the expense of the security of our military forces in Northern Iraq.

Good call Pelosi.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So, would you criticize her decision to bring the resolution up for a vote? Do you believe her decision to bring the resolution up for a vote had potentially catastrophic consequences in Northern Iraq?

And, if you do, wouldn't you want to know why the she did it? Are you that incurious?

So are you telling me that the only reason Turkey is ammassing for a mini invasion is because of Pelosi's resolution? Then you want me to believe that the Turks aren't bright enough to know that this resolution, if passed, is meaningless. So no I don't think it is going to have catastrophic consequences rather Turkey's incursion would. Who care why she did it Yoni? You seem to be the only one who cares.. Let's assume it is a ploitical stunt. Can we agree that the GOP Congress in recent memeory has passed meaningless resolutons that were pure political theatre?