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Findog and sun fan are in love. get a room already
Im sure it was the most compe ive 4-1 series in the history of the NBA.It was a compe ive series. Utah's wins all came down to the wire. Golden State won in a blowout.
The thing is...Utah wasn't that good either.
Funny that you decide to switch sports to try to find a bigger upset than the one you claim ISN'T A MAJOR ONE (at this point I've already won but I'll keep going).Appalachian State over Michigan. Stanford over USC.
If we're talking basketball, Denver over Seattle.
A big criticism of the NBA is that the series are too long and the better team always wins. In football, upsets happen frequently because theyre single elimination. In basketball they're EXTREMELY rare.
I brought up that the only basketball series that could possibly compare with the Mavs' choke-job was Seattle/Devner back in 94 (which you don't attempt to refute). My whole point was that if the Mavs' loss wasn't a MAJOR upset, then there is no such thing as a major upset in the NBA!
You don't even attempt to bring in any other series, you just argue that it wasn't AS BAD as Seattle's loss to Devner:
Surely if we are arguing which of these is the greatest upset of all time, then both should be considered MAJOR upsets, right?The league was stronger back then.
07 Warriors > 93 Nuggets.
Ask Seattle fans about the performances of Kemp, Payton, Perkins, Schrempf, etc. Of course, since you're only about 14 years old, you wouldn't know.
Also, regardless if the Warriors were better than the 93 Nuggets (or the 2007 Lakers
As for your age jab, I was actually fourteen in 1994, and I seem to remember most of the blame being focused on George Karl. He kept a cut-out of a comic from the local paper of him "going fishing" on his fridge for years after that as motivation.
Can't blame him....it was a MAJOR upset. One that wouldn't be topped for the next thirteen years!
Last edited by da_suns_fan__; 10-12-2007 at 03:47 PM.
Findog and sun fan are in love. get a room already
You expect to be taken seriously?The thing is...Utah wasn't that good either.
Well, that's re ed then. The Mavs-Warriors will be remembered as such because of the disparity in records. A look at the actual talent level says otherwise.My whole point was that if the Mavs' loss wasn't a MAJOR upset, then there is no such thing as a major upset in the NBA!
Because it wasn't. How is that so hard to understand? Is it that hot in Arizona?You don't even attempt to bring in any other series, you just argue that it wasn't AS BAD as Seattle's loss to Devner:
We're not arguing over which is the greatest upset of all time. You're the one clinging to the fiction that the Dallas-GS series qualifies. I've already demonstrated that it doesn't come close to Denver-Seattle.Surely if we are arguing which of these is the greatest upset of all time, then both should be considered MAJOR upsets, right?
Google fun:
Biggest "NBA" Upset
Go through the first few pages....see which teams/series keep getting mentioned.
And you still can't tell me why an 8th seed upsetting a 1 seed in five games is a bigger upset than an 8th seed upsetting a 1 seed in seven games.
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Not disputing at all that it will be remembered as such. But for anybody who knows anything about basketball, which doesn't include you, by the way, it was a mild upset. Again, the only thing that people will remember is that a 67-win team lost to a 42-win team. Was the talent gap worth 25 games in the standings? Absolutely not. It was more on par with a second-round matchup.
Are you gonna seriously argue that Jason Terry and Devin Harris > Baron Davis and Jason Richardson? Are you going to seriously argue that the Warriors finish 42-40 with Richardson, Davis, Jackson and Harrington on that team all year long? They went 16-3 with their playoff roster intact. It takes nuance to see that which lies below the surface, something you're incapable of.
weekend is finally here! See you later folks!
Let me quote Bill Russell concerning "upsets". In my opinion, the greatest upset of last season was Cleveland over Detroit. Cleveland doesn't give Detroit match-up problems, Cleveland hasn't got anybody but LeBron. LeBron just happened to get hot from the field at a time Detroit got lazy. Then a no-name (Daniel Gibson) had a 1/100 career night in Game 6.
BILL RUSSELL: "I don’t consider what Golden State has done thus far to be an upset because they had defeated Dallas all three times they played in the regular season. Regardless of the fact that Dallas won 67 games this year, one thing you must take note of is that the playoffs are different than the regular season. For the first time, you get to concentrate exclusively on one team over a period of time."
BILL RUSSELL: "As we found out last year in the playoffs, Dallas is not that good defensively. Every year in every major compe ion we always focus on the offensive players and make them the favorites. When they don’t win, we say it’s an upset, but before the game everyone concludes that the best defensive team will win the series."
Last edited by SpursDynasty; 10-12-2007 at 06:06 PM.
Whats with your NEW obsession with the backcourts? The Mavs teams was FAR superior in talent to the Warriors, but now only backcourts matter?
Your excuses are priceless FinDog, but irrelevant. I could play your game with any matchup:
If the Suns would have lost to the Lakers, I could say "well, the Lakers had the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD and a significant size advantage up front. The Lakers started out on fire but ran into injury problems in the second half and were far superior to an average seventh seed".
If the Nuggets beat the Spurs I could say "well the Nuggets had Iverson and Carmelo and were much better than your normal sixth seed as the iverson trade didn't happen until mid-season. They also had two agile seven footers who matched up well against Duncan. Just a bad matchup for San Antonio"
If the Rockets beat the Jazz I could say "well McGrady and Yao were injured so much that their record was a bad indicator of how good they were. They were much better than a normal fifth seed".
But those three teams got it done against weaker opponents like they were suppose to. The Mavs didn't. And the fact that you think the Warriors are a legitimate second round team is pathetic. The Warriors were so legitimate they managed a single victory against a mediocre Jazz team.
More garbage from FinDog. I just wonder what the excuse will be NEXT year!
It wasn't an upset. Golden State just went out and did what they were expected to do: Beat a team that they were capable of and had beaten 6 out of the last 7 games before the first round series.
God help this thread...
Really? Do you know anything about basketball?The Mavs teams was FAR superior in talent to the Warriors,
In that series it mattered a lot. Where did I say it was the *only* factor? Can you mount a coherent argument, or is strawmen all you have?but now only backcourts matter?
Did I say the Mavs shouldn't have beaten Golden State? My argument is that it was a MINOR upset, not the GOAT. Can you comprehend that?If the Suns would have lost to the Lakers, I could say "well, the Lakers had the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD and a significant size advantage up front. The Lakers started out on fire but ran into injury problems in the second half and were far superior to an average seventh seed".
If the Nuggets beat the Spurs I could say "well the Nuggets had Iverson and Carmelo and were much better than your normal sixth seed as the iverson trade didn't happen until mid-season. They also had two agile seven footers who matched up well against Duncan. Just a bad matchup for San Antonio"
If the Rockets beat the Jazz I could say "well McGrady and Yao were injured so much that their record was a bad indicator of how good they were. They were much better than a normal fifth seed".
The fact that you can't mount a rebuttal and have to resort to strawmen is pathetic. Let me ask you a simple question: Are the Warriors a significantly better team when you add Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington to their roster? Yes or No.And the fact that you think the Warriors are a legitimate second round team is pathetic.
My argument is not that the Mavericks shouldn't have beaten the Warriors, my argument is that the Mavs suffered a minor upset, not a major one. You can't refute that, so you have to twist it to something you can knock down. My team failed. I accept it. Yours did as well. But hey, that's okay. They get good ratings and they're saving basketball. That's more important than championships.
I didn't realize 52 wins was "mediocre." I guess the Jazz are "mediocre" because they don't get high tv ratings and they're not saving basketball like the Suns.The Warriors were so legitimate they managed a single victory against a mediocre Jazz team.
I think I'll go with something along the lines of crooked refs and bogus suspensions, and that it doesn't matter anyway because tv ratings are what's really important and the Mavs are saving basketball.More garbage from FinDog. I just wonder what the excuse will be NEXT year!
I have no illusions whatsoever about my team. If I had to wager money in Vegas, I would not pick the Mavs to win a series against San Antonio or Phoenix next year. But we have the capability to win a le, we've made a Finals and beaten a defending champ, something that can't be said of Phoenix. My team is probably not winning a le next year. Your team definitely isn't. Suck on that.
This is ed up. I find myself in agreement with SpursDynasty, except for the "expected to do" part.
Who said Utah was not that good?
Success in the NBA is measured by play against Dallas and Phoenix, right?
They were 2-1 vs Dallas and 3-1 vs Phoenix, and 2-2 vs the Spurs.
Yet everyone expected Houston to win the first round series. Utah over Houston in the first round was one of the best moments of the season. Mehmet Okur is more clutch than McGrady.
da_suns_dumbassWho said Utah was not that good?
Just a nitpick: they won the last meeting in Dallas, when the Mavericks had already clinched HCA and played their scrubs, while the Jazz were fighting the Rockets for the 5th seed and went all-out.They were 2-1 vs Dallas
Pretty sad when SpursDynasty is owning a dude. In between JDB gigs, he finds the time to be the voice of sanity and reason compared to da_suns_dumbass. How embarrassing when you're outwitted by SpursDynasty.
i HONESTLY believe its the stress from the JDB gigs and upcoming gigs that bring out this insanity in him. I mean hes trying to make it in this world. I understand. I must admit that they play some great ing music! Tickets are selling like hotcakes here in Denton.
They may have to move the gig from the SuperPit to Fouts Field. He's quite the renaissance man, a world-class drummer and an astute expert on basketball.
That Jazz team owned the S0ns in the reg season and would have owned them in the playoffs. Deron Williams destroys Nash on both ends of the court(at least he knows how to play defense). Boozer and Okur would manhandle the paltry Phoenix frontcourt.
Because the S0ns don't bother to play defense almost every playoff squad has a decent shot at defeating them in a playoff series(with the exception of the Lakers/Clippers
If anything, the S0ns fans should thank the Spurs for saving them the humiliation of getting beaten by a "mediocre Jazz team".
The soft Euroball tactics that D'Antoni applies are a fast track for failure. Gimmick basketball won't win you a championship. Ask the '82 Nuggets. Not like D'Antoni's gonna change though. Because he's a ty coach he's too afraid to try anything else so I expect more of the same from the S0ns this year:
1. S0ns rack up easy wins against the bottom feeder squads in the reg season.
2. The Phoenix media proceeds to hype them endlessly.
3. Mediocre players like Steve Trash and Amare get undeserved reg season honors(tainted MVPs, Stoudewhiner making All-NBA first team...lol).
4. They run into a brick wall come playoff time when they face teams that actually bother to play defense. Eliminated by the 2nd round of the playoffs(First round if they face anyone besides the Lakers)
5. S0ns fans about refs, injuries, fouls, etc. They make sure to remind everyone that NEXT year will be their year.
6. Repeat cycle when NBA season begins.
FIX'D
Pretty funny to see a S0ns fan complaining about other teams making excuses when Phoenix has been all hype and excuses the past three years.
I am NOT the drummer for the Josh Daniels Band.
Me being the drummer for the Josh Daniels Band is about as likely as my favorite team being Dallas.
I repeat: Me cheering for the Mavs is more likely than the statement that I'm the JDB drummer being true.
Good for Grant. He's added some desperately needed class to that organization. We'll see whose influence wins out in the end.
LOL!
How ya like your little predicament youre in FinDog? Your Mavs buddy is calling SpursDynasty and IDIOT and youre torn between agreeing with him or siding with SpursDynasty because he disagrees with me!!!
"SpursDynasty is an idiot. Except on this!"
- FinDog
Tell me again what qualifies as a MAJOR NBA upset?
Let me settle this.
A major NBA upset is when the team that isn't expected to or isn't supposed to win a series, wins it.
For example, the only "upset" last year was Cleveland over Detroit. Detroit went into the series as the favorites. They had the best record in the East. As far as I can see, all other series played out the way they were supposed to. Miami was injured.
A "major" upset would be something along the lines of a #1 seed losing to a #8 seed. However, in the case of Dallas and GS, Dallas' 67-15 record was rather inflated, while GS' #8 seed record was deceiving since they weren't at full strength most of the season. Also, GS had beaten Dallas 6 out of 7 regular season meetings prior to the series. So...if GS had played Dallas in the 2nd round, they still would have won. The #8 seed over the #1 seed in this case was just how things played out as a result of Dallas' inflated record and GS' injuries all season leading to them landing at #8.
The only predicament I face is whether or not I go easy on you and show you some mercy or continue to embarrass you.
Golden State-Dallas doesn't qualify as a major upset. If you knew anything about basketball, you'd realize that.
The difference between PHX and DAL is that, as presently cons uted, PHX will never win a championship and Dallas might.
The key to winning the rings is that you have to do a good job on your own floor and win some games on the road. In the 2003, 2005, and 2007 series, PHX was a collective 2-7 against SA on their home floor. No need to even look at the road action when you get punked that bad in your own crib.
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