Rush Auctions letter from Reid

[Yonivore]

I don't think Rush belongs on Armed Forces Radio any more than Air America does.

He's on their by popular demand of the Troops and because their is a listenership. If Air America garnered a similar demand from the troops and if anyone would listen, Armed Forces Radio would put them on.

It's not what you think but, what the market thinks.

[Yonivore]

shhhh don't tell ray that. he doesn't realize they are rich and would suffer if socialism was introduced and pushed in our country.. let ray continue to think they are socialists..

Everyone -- but the elites -- would suffer. Surely you don't think socialism is a viable ideology, do you?

[ChumpDumper]

He's on their by popular demand of the Troops and because their is a listenership. If Air America garnered a similar demand from the troops and if anyone would listen, Armed Forces Radio would put them on.

It's not what you think but, what the market thinks.

Since when is the government a market?

[SRJ]

Ok I guess your going to play stupid. You and I both know that Hush's show was approved by the govt to be heard by the Armed Forces radio. You seem to be ok with a hyper partisan reaching our military with govt permission. You seem to think that's ok. I provided you with an example of another hyper partisan being allowed, via the govt, to present his views unfettered. Would that be alright? If the govt allowed Mr Moore to use his propoganda as a source of information on informaing the poor in our country on the issue of healthcare? gun control?

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.

[xrayzebra]

Accuracy determined by whom?

They have made too much money in the free market to be socialists.

Ever heard of Arm Hammer? Ever heard of Teddy Kenney?
Every heard of George Soros? Those are just the rich
Americans. Socialist have more to gain than anyone from
a Socialist society. How about Joseph Stalin? Think he
wasn't rich.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Everyone -- but the elites -- would suffer. Surely you don't think socialism is a viable ideology, do you?

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!

[ChumpDumper]

Why not, Chump?

Why should it? Stick to VOA News and entertainment shows. Leave partisan politics out of it.

[xrayzebra]

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.

They also Americans and last I heard we still have freedom
or choice and they can turn the radio off if they don't
want to listen to him. How many hours of NPR is on
AFRN.

[ChumpDumper]

I have no problem with soldiers listening to Rush, Hannity, Al Franken, Ed Schulz, any of them. They're US soldiers, not children.

Then they can use Sirius to listen to them.

[xrayzebra]

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!

GGA if you think they aren't Socialist you need to check
out the meaning of socialism.

[SRJ]

Stick to VOA News and entertainment shows. Leave partisan politics out of it.

But partisan politics is entertaining. I was disappointed when our Air America affiliate went off the air. I enjoyed listening to liberals and getting mad at what they said. Schadenfreude is most certainly entertainment.

[ChumpDumper]

Ever heard of Arm Hammer? Ever heard of Teddy Kenney?

I've heard of Armand Hammer and Teddy Kennedy. Maybe that's who you are posting about between your afternoon drinks. Not really hardcore socialists.

[xrayzebra]

Then they can use Sirius to listen to them.

Chump knows best. Like I said I have known him to use
good thinking skills.

[xrayzebra]

I've heard of Armand Hammer and Teddy Kennedy. Maybe that's who you are posting about between your afternoon drinks. Not really hardcore socialists.

Really maybe you need to go back and read a little
recent history and their ties to the Soviet Union.

[ChumpDumper]

But partisan politics is entertaining. I was disappointed when our Air America affiliate went off the air. I enjoyed listening to liberals and getting mad at what they said. Schadenfreude is most certainly entertainment.

So you just made an argument for equal time.

I say why bother? Skip the partisan politics.

[SRJ]

VRWC? What is that? (Very) Right Wing Conspiracy?

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, xray. As coined by Hillary herself.

[Yonivore]

There was a push back in 2006 to have Rush and Sean Hannity removed from Armed Forces Radio and it nearly succeeded; but, a backlash from the military (particularly those stationed overseas), caused the network to rethink the move.

[SRJ]

So you just made an argument for equal time.

Actually, I made the argument before then too. In fact, you responded to the other post I made.

According to Wikipedia, conservative and liberal talk radio hosts play on AFR. I realize Wikipedia can be inaccurate, but that's what the site claimed. So if that's true, apparently equal time exists.

I say why bother? Skip the partisan politics.

A reasonable position, but I don't think there's any harm in it.

[Yonivore]

if I believed that Hillary or any other democrat wered trying to introduce socialism as an ideology they wouldn't have my support. With that being said that's the 2008 election cycle catch word.. 'socialism'..will replace 'flip flopper'... nothing like lying to America to get them to vote for you!!

You don't think Hillary is trying to introduce socialism as an ideology in America?

Hillary "I-have-a-million-ideas-the-country-can't-afford" Clinton?

Good morning, Rip Van Winkle.

[ChumpDumper]

Really maybe you need to go back and read a little
recent history and their ties to the Soviet Union.

Ok, here's a little recent history....

ARMAND HAMMER PARDONED BY BUSH

By DAVID RAMPE, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: August 15, 1989

President Bush pardoned Armand Hammer today for making illegal contributions to President Richard M. Nixon's re-election campaign 17 years ago.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A96F948260

[Oh, Gee!!]

He damn sure has. And, he did so in the face of overwhelming and unprecendented Congressional meddling by Democrats. Not to mention seditious and treasonous acts by the media and leakers within the Intelligence agencies of the U.S.

By any measure -- arguments about the legitimacy of the war aside -- the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have been the most successful and humane in the history of warfare.

In other words, if you believed this war were legitimate (which I know you don't), you'd have to concede the United States military has achieved in Iraq -- at the cost of almost 4,000 lives -- what we couldn't achieve in Vietnam at a cost of 55,000 lives or Korea, another 55,000 lives, or what we, thankfully achieved, in Europe and the Pacific theaters of WWII at a cost of nearly 500,000 lives.

Collateral damage is less and civilian casualties are lower than in any other war we've fought.

The stated objective of removing the Ba'athist Regime of Saddam Hussein was achieved in about three weeks...despite the defeatist warnings that it would take 10's of thousands of body bags to ship home the dead American Troops.

The stated objective of routing al Qaeda in Iraq appears nearly complete and that appears to be bringing about a renewed sense of cooperation in Iraq which will improve security and stability in the region.

Already violent deaths are down over 85% in some of the worst areas of that country. Areas that were reporting 150 murders/violent deaths per week, just last month, are down to approximately 5 deaths per week.

, if Iraq stabilizes and starts operating from the Cons ution it has already passed, they will have gone from tyranny to democracy in a shorter amount of time than did the United States when it declared its independence from Britain in 1776. Not only they, they will have done so with a smaller per capita loss of life than did the colonies.

Afghanistan is the same...no matter what the CBC, the BBC, and NPR say.

I don't think anyone honestly believed that the U.S. military would not handily defeat Saddam and his army, but the fact that they didn't anticipate or prepare for what happened next makes the architects of this war utter failures at their jobs.

You can gloss over all the numbers all you like, but not many people will agree with you that the cost of American lives was worth it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

GGA if you think they aren't Socialist you need to check
out the meaning of socialism.

why would they want socialism ray? ( predicting "why don't you ask them yourself?") since you KNOW that's what they are fill me in on what their motives would be?

[George Gervin's Afro]

You don't think Hillary is trying to introduce socialism as an ideology in America?

Hillary "I-have-a-million-ideas-the-country-can't-afford" Clinton?

Good morning, Rip Van Winkle.

What would her motive be to do this?

[Yonivore]

I don't believe anyone honestly believed that the U.S. military would not handily defeat Saddam and his army, but the fact that they didn't anticipate or prepare for what happened next makes the architects of this war utter failures at their jobs.

Please.

No battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy.

There hasn't been a war where military mistakes haven't been made.

Let's suggest the the U.S. had gone in with overwhelming force and Saddam Hussein had used Chemical or Biological weapons. That would have been a mistake that would have far outweighed the one you now about.

I think history will show that many of our supposed "allies," including France, Germany, Russia, and the venerable Secretary General of the U.N. were actively supporting the Ba'athist regime of Saddam Hussein, under the table, in a manner that undermined our preparation and run up to the invasion.

I think history will show that Saddam Hussein's regime was actively engaged with al Qaeda in an effort to bring about just what happened after his regime fell. And, if he wasn't, there were certainly elements of the Ba'athist regime that were. How else do you explain the complicity between former regime members and foreign al Qaedans that rushed into the vaccuum?

I think history will show there were alot of forces arrayed against us in our invasion of Iraq and, that in spite of it all, we prevailed. Iran, Syria, al Qaeda, and Iraqi insquabbling all conspired to defeat us...but, we will, in the end prevail.

No, there have been much worse mistake made in previous conflicts that resulted in a much greater loss of life. We don't fault military commanders for not being able to predict the unpredictable or for wrongly choosing from a myriad of possible outcomes and setting a course.

Losers do that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Please.

No battle plan ever survived first contact with the enemy.

There hasn't been a war where military mistakes haven't been made.

Let's suggest the the U.S. had gone in with overwhelming force and Saddam Hussein had used Chemical or Biological weapons. That would have been a mistake that would have far outweighed the one you now about.

I think history will show that many of our supposed "allies," including France, Germany, Russia, and the venerable Secretary General of the U.N. were actively supporting the Ba'athist regime of Saddam Hussein, under the table, in a manner that undermined our preparation and run up to the invasion.

I think history will show that Saddam Hussein's regime was actively engaged with al Qaeda in an effort to bring about just what happened after his regime fell. And, if he wasn't, there were certainly elements of the Ba'athist regime that were. How else do you explain the complicity between former regime members and foreign al Qaedans that rushed into the vaccuum?

I think history will show there were alot of forces arrayed against us in our invasion of Iraq and, that in spite of it all, we prevailed. Iran, Syria, al Qaeda, and Iraqi insquabbling all conspired to defeat us...but, we will, in the end prevail.

No, there have been much worse mistake made in previous conflicts that resulted in a much greater loss of life. We don't fault military commanders for not being able to predict the unpredictable or for wrongly choosing from a myriad of possible outcomes and setting a course.

Losers do that.

I think your wrong. Only losers call others losers.