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  1. #101
    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    Goodbye moral high-ground.

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    In Limbo mardigan's Avatar
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    Not blaming, just pointing out that Nash may have learned something from last years playoff series against the Spurs. Most specifically, Bowen, since he guarded Nash. Nash will never ever come close to being the defender that Bowen is but maybe he is learning some of Bowens tricks.
    Maybe Amare should have taken lessons from Horry, then maybe he wouldnt play like such a pussy

  3. #103
    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    Agreed. Texas bias against the Suns is laughable.....

    Its just jealousy.
    yeah, we're jealous of your success bro!

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    Maybe Amare should have taken lessons from Horry, then maybe he wouldnt play like such a pussy
    No, I would actually not like our players to play like Horry or Bowen, if the truth be told.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    You wouldn't want someone with Horry's clutch shooting or Bowen's defense?

  6. #106
    In Limbo mardigan's Avatar
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    No, I would actually not like our players to play like Horry or Bowen, if the truth be told.
    And that is why Suns players wont have jewelry on their fingers.

  7. #107
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    And that is why Suns players wont have jewelry on their fingers.
    Yeah but Suns fan isn't interested in rings, they're interested in ratings and likeability.

  8. #108
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    You make no sense.
    Wow, I guess I really have to draw a diagram.
    Spursfan: Look at a dirty play by Nash!
    You: Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, Bowen did it first.
    .... can I dumb it down even further?

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    You wouldn't want someone with Horry's clutch shooting or Bowen's defense?
    I actually think Nash is a clutch shooter and Raja is a very good defender. What I meant is that I wouldn't want them to use the same tactics as Horry and Bowen do on defense where they (specifically Bowen) stick feet under others feet, or kick people in the face etc. or as Horry forearmed Nash into the scorers table. All Horry had to do to stop the game was give Nash a touch foul and they would have called it.

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    Well, for one did you happen to see Nash get hit in the balls? For guy's that is a very sensitive area. He tried to hurt Amare and Nash's body was bruised on each arm and leg. (they showed it during one of the games) He was trying to injure a player and has for quite some time now in games against other teams. That is not why we lost to you though.
    Was Nash hurt by jumping right into Bowen's space? For all I care, that was a Nash foul, but no, Bowen was called for it.
    Up to this point, I just can't figure out how Suns fan can somehow get into Bowen's thoughts and KNOW that he tried to hurt Amare. You can argue that he tried to disrupt his shot with a dirty play, but why would you know he tried to hurt Amare? Why would you know Bowen tried to hurt other people? Bowen, during his 10 year career, hurt two opposing player (Francis and Carter), with one coming straight out and saying that he doesn't think Bowen tried to hurt him (Francis), while the other coming in and claimed Bowen did (Carter). If Bowen intentionally tried to hurt opposing players, he is really doing a poor job. I mean, 800+ games, and he only hurt two guys?

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    Nash is a good actor or Robert Horry has the strongest hips in human history.

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    Oh, okay gotcha. It is true though that it is kind of funny having a Spurs fan start this thread when you have Bowen on your team.
    About as funny as all the post started by Suns fan stating how dirty Bowen is with Bell on the Suns

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    Wow, I guess I really have to draw a diagram.
    Spursfan: Look at a dirty play by Nash!
    You: Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, Bowen did it first.
    .... can I dumb it down even further?
    It was meant as a little ribbing at the poster. I actually think maybe Nash is tired of getting pushed around and decided to fight fire with fire. Who knows?

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    About as funny as all the post started by Suns fan stating how dirty Bowen is with Bell on the Suns
    Bell doesn't even come close to using some of the tactics Bowen uses to play defense, so don't even go there.

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    Bell doesn't even come close to using some of the tactics Bowen uses to play defense, so don't even go there.



    Bell and Bowen are the exact same player.

  16. #116
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    I would have to disagree about Bowens intent. What do you call that jumping in the air kick to Wally's face, or when he sticks his foot under opposing players and they come up with ankle sprains? I think he knows what he is doing and doesn't worry one bit about it.
    Did you study physics in high school? I did OK with it when I was there, and one thing I learned was that no matter how good an athlete you are, you can't stay in the air for more than a split second. Common sense also tells me that it is impossible for a person to aim for a landing spot, plant his foot on the predetermined spot, and wait for the opposing player to land on his foot to injure opposing players intentionally.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=tdxXvkMB6gA
    Check the video, Bowen wasn't even LOOKING at the spot.

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    Bell and Bowen are the exact same player.
    Come on, you know he's just going to say he learned it from Bowen, Suns player can do no wrong.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Bell and Bowen are the exact same player.
    Except Bowen doesn't let Kobe drop 50 on him regularly.

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    BOOM!!!, Baby! Reggie Miller's Avatar
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    I actually think Nash is a clutch shooter and Raja is a very good defender. What I meant is that I wouldn't want them to use the same tactics as Horry and Bowen do on defense where they (specifically Bowen) stick feet under others feet, or kick people in the face etc. or as Horry forearmed Nash into the scorers table. All Horry had to do to stop the game was give Nash a touch foul and they would have called it.

    SELECTIVE MEMORY.

    Why wasn't the "touch foul" called in the back court then? The Spurs tried to "touch foul" Nash quite deliberately two times before Horry hip-checked him.

    I think you are confusing this with Bell's vicious forearm to Bryant. Horry never used his forearm.


    EDIT: Also, it's Bruce Bowen, not Bruce Lee. Anyone that thinks that Bowen has the coordination to change directions in mid-air or deliberately target an achilles tendon is delusional.

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    Bell and Bowen are the exact same player.
    In that one instance, yes, but not on a consistent basis. Raja was tired of Kobe elbowing him in the face, not the way to handle it but the refs were ignoring it, so he did that stupid flagrant foul. Nothing that I would condone. Show some of the pictures of Bowen when he has done stupid things to opposing players to be fair.

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    Bell doesn't even come close to using some of the tactics Bowen uses to play defense, so don't even go there.
    You are right, Bell actually tries to injure other players.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMHSahLiLg8

    Too bad he is not very good at it, Kobe could still walk afterwards.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Kobe was hardly fazed by it. That tells me Raja's a big pussy. He deliberately tries to hurt him and doesn't get any reaction at all.

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    Bell and Bowen are the exact same player.

    bruce bowen!

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    I just find it odd that he said something about it being swept under the rug when Bowen gets away with a lot worse and isn't punished for his actions. Also, in that game last night Felton was pushing Nash around a bit and the refs weren't calling fouls for it, maybe Nash had enough of it. Especially after last years playoffs against the Spurs, he might be learning to fight back. Who knows? I don't aprove of this type of reaction or action but maybe he has had enough and figures he has to get tough. Your guess is as good as mine.
    Yeah, Felton was playing rough, Nash was just retaliating. Damn Felton, he deserved it, show you what would happen when you try to mess with Nash.
    NASH FOREVER, ANYBODY WHO TRIED TO ROUGH HIM UP, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANKLES SPRAINED.
    But I don't approve of it.

  25. #125
    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    I just think the refs are use to him playing this way and don't punish him. Why, I don't know, because he barely gets any fouls called on him either. He has a reputation as a hard nosed defender and they look the other way. Whichever team is the aggressor in games usually gets away with the most it seems.
    Your arguments certainly makes sense.
    Bowen, a hated, unheralded player is being protected by the league over high-scoring, revenue generating scorers. It's true I tell you, just that I don't know why and there is no logical ways of explaining it.

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