Ohio State vs. ?

[Thunder Dan]

Based on what?



I've heard this argument before and it has no basis. B10 won 2 out of 3 games against the powerhouse SEC in 2006. In fact, the minor league B10 is 8-9 versus the SEC since 2000.

B10 teams usually have travel to SEC backyards to play in those games as well.

Simply put, the SEC is overrated.

Ohio State/ LSU for arguments sake they are equal all things considered

Michigan/ Florida gotta hand this to Florida

Illinois/ Georgia Georgia is the better football team both then and now
I think Illi will be very good in years to come, but right
now, edge Georgia

Wisconsin/Tennessee I say equal on this. Wisky had a ton of injuries this year
that killed their season. Tennessee just isn't a elite
team, that is the definition of Wisconsin. No Edge

Penn St/ Auburn Aurburn this year, changes from year to year. no team is
exactly a powerhouse, but they arn't stiffs either.
Both could go to BCS Games. Edge Auburn

Iowa/Alabama Neither team is very good even when their record is. They
could go 9-2 or 2-9 depending on what year it is. You can
also pencil in them upsetting someone. No edge

MSU/SC Again, neither school is consistent. They could upset
someone. They are both programs on the rise. no edge

Purdue/Kentucky Purdue used to be good, and Kentucky used to be terrible.
I think if you take Woodson off the team, Purdue is the
better team YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. edge Purdue

Indiana/ Arkansas I honestly never even knew Arkansas had a football team
until they got McFadden. I forget Indiana has a football
team every year until they play Ohio State. edge Arkansas
(though it could change once DMac is gone)

Mississippi, Minnesota, Northwestern, Vanderbilt,Mississippi St. are all football teams that consider making it to a bowl game a sucessful season. They are all not very good football teams, and not contenders to most of the top teams in either conference. (Ole Miss and Minnesota are REALLY bad)


I think the SEC is better than the Big Ten if you match up the teams. I did the match ups with not too much thought into it other than the last 3 or 4 years. I think the bottom of both conferences are both bad, and the middle could go either way depending on the year. The thing is that 5 years from now it could totally swing in the Big Ten's favor.

One other thing, it's not Ohio State's job to recruit for Penn State, Michigan State and the other Big Ten schools, they just play who is on their schedule. And if you really want to know why OSU played a weak offseason schedule here it is.

Youngstown State- all schools could schedule one 1-AA school this year
Michigan, Florida, Georgia, and Alabama were among
schools to do so, not just tOSU.

Akron- The Big Ten has a deal with the MAC. Each Big Ten schools have to
play a certain number of MAC schools before 2010. I believe each
school must play 8 games vs the MAC from 2000-20010 could be
wrong on the exacts. Other conferences do this as well. I think SEC
had a similar deal with the Sun Belt.

Washington- This is the back end of a home and home from 2003. Washington
isn't a powerhouse, but this was scheduled in 1999.

Kent State- This was a bye week. It was a bye week all the way up until
2003. Ohio St. and Kent St. decided to schedule this game
because they both had bye weeks that week, they were close
and Kent State loses almost $500k a year in their football
program. This single game took them out of the red and into
the black by giving them $780k. I know the most about this
single game because my girlfriend's dad is the AD at Kent. This
was Tressel just keeping money in the state.

Now, this doesn't excuse them for playing a weak schedule because they did. I was just explaining why they did and it's not like they just picked a bunch of easy teams. The way their fulfillments worked out, this year was bound to happen.

[jochhejaam]

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QUOTE=PeterBurns]You are right, I guess they shouldn't fear a team that beat the #3 BCS team by 41 points.

Along with that tidbit of information, please explain the defeats at the hands of 5 loss Kentucky and 4 loss Arkansas.

Or a team that beat 4 other Final Top 25 Teams.....
Ohio State played one top 25 team this year....And lost. I'm not saying they are scared. They shouldn't be, It's not their fault, the played who they had on their schedule. I'm just pointing out that they skated through another easy Big 10 schedule this year. And have a very big chance of embarrassing the Big 10 for the second year in a row.

??? From what source did you pull that information? (don't answer, I already know).

-Ohio State beat Purdue 23-7 at Purdue, they were ranked 23rd at the time.

-Ohio State beat Penn State 37-17 at Penn State, they were ranked 25th at the time.

-Ohio State beat Wisconson 38-17 at Home, they were ranked 21st at the time.

-Ohio State beat Michigan 14-3 at Michigan, they were ranked 21st at the time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=194

Nice research on your part Burns. Misinformation of that magnitude pretty much begs for dismissing your entire arguement.

[johngateswhiteley]

LSU is just lucky they don't have to play USC. USC would pulverize them. USC is just being penalized for losing to Stanford when they had a lot of injuries. I don't get that at all. They still won the Pac-10 which is the best football conference in the country. (Sorry SEC!)

smartest thing you have ever said.

[PeterBurns]

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Along with that tidbit of information, please explain the defeats at the hands of 5 loss Kentucky and 4 loss Arkansas.


??? From what source did you pull that information? (don't answer, I already know).

Nice research on your part Burns. Misinformation of that magnitude pretty much begs for dismissing your entire arguement.

Seriously......Did you look at the Final Coaches Poll?
That's where I pulled that info from.

If you are using the asisine statement of where they were when they played, then LSU would have even a bigger and better arguement....but novices will use that theory. It's where a team ended up after the season that is a more accurate judgement of their team...

If you don't think so...then explain....South Florida was ranked #2 at one Point....How About #2 Cal?...Where did they end up? #11 UCLA? How About #14 Nebraska...or what about #6 South Carolina?.....I forgot about #10 Rutgers....

Pretty much shoots your theory into s***

Nice counterarguement......

[PeterBurns]

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??? From what source did you pull that information? (don't answer, I already know).

-Ohio State beat Purdue 23-7 at Purdue, they were ranked 23rd at the time.

-Ohio State beat Penn State 37-17 at Penn State, they were ranked 25th at the time.

-Ohio State beat Wisconson 38-17 at Home, they were ranked 21st at the time.

-Ohio State beat Michigan 14-3 at Michigan, they were ranked 21st at the time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=194

Nice research on your part Burns. Misinformation of that magnitude pretty much begs for dismissing your entire arguement.

Also, by your own arguement......It still stands to reason that tOSU didn't play a Top 20 opponent all year long....


And LSU....

No. 9 Virginia Tech W 48-7
No. 12 South Carolina W 28-16
No. 9 Florida W 28-24
No. 17 Auburn W 30-24
No. 17 Alabama W 41-34
No. 14 Tennessee W 21-14

So please spare me with your weak counterarguement.


Again....I agree with Thunder Dan. It's not their fault the tOSU played a softer schedule....I'm just saying that LSU is much more battle tested against better teams than OSU.

Does that mean that they will get blown out....not at all. Just that big game experience would probably be on the side of LSU

[PeterBurns]

why[/I] they did and it's not like they just picked a bunch of easy teams. The way their fulfillments worked out, this year was bound to happen.

Completely understood.

Well, LSU is not much better. Outside of the big VTech game.(Which stems from a home/home with them from 2002)...we had our own version of patsies.

Middle Tenn State...
Tulane.....
LA Tech....

[mookie2001]

2. The both play hard nosed football and can put a lick on someone trying to tackle them

so do hundreds of other black running and fullbacks

[mookie2001]

Everybody is forgetting that the real crime in all of this is that USC is not in the le game. Both the Big 10 and the SEC are minor league compared to the BRUTAL Pac-10!

tlong is a arizona state fan, arizona fan, washington fan, washington state fan, oregon fan, oregon state fan, cal fan, stanford fan, ucla fan, and a usc fan


thats alot of starter jackets to buy

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

Also, by your own facts......It still stands to reason that tOSU didn't play a Top 20 opponent all year long....

If you had been that factual to begin with, taking you to the woodshed would not have been necessary.

Oh, and you never did digress on LSU's 2 defeats to the 2 teams that lost a combined 9 games.
Oversight?

[ShoogarBear]

Short of a playoff, I think at minimum, the BCS needs to make a rule that you have to win or tie for your conference championship to make the Championship game. Otherwise, it's just not logical.

[BeerIsGood!]

Short of a playoff, I think at minimum, the BCS needs to make a rule that you have to win or tie for your conference championship to make the Championship game. Otherwise, it's just not logical.

Or just make a rule that whatever flavor of the month team from the small ty conference manages to go undefeated against their ty compe ion on their ty schedule automatically gets in the le game because they're undefeated and they won their conference.

It could be very conceivable that the two best teams in the country play in the same conference. There's no reasonable "short of a playoff" scenario, just a playoffs or bust scenario. Of course, the playoffs will never happen because of all the dumb asses out there (Ron Mexico) who continue to watch and spend money on these meaningless bowl games. If approx. 85% of the college football viewing country really wanted a playoffs as all these polls recently indicate, then they would boycott this meaningless system to get it changed.

[Thunder Dan]

It could be very conceivable that the two best teams in the country play in the same conference. There's no reasonable "short of a playoff" scenario, just a playoffs or bust scenario. Of course, the playoffs will never happen because of all the dumb asses out there (Ron Mexico) who continue to watch and spend money on these meaningless bowl games. If approx. 85% of the college football viewing country really wanted a playoffs as all these polls recently indicate, then they would boycott this meaningless system to get it changed.

by that theory, the playoff starts in September like it should. Georgia started their playoff run in September and didn't advance. Teams' main focus should be winning their conference before thinking about a BCS Championship Game. Hawaii doesn't get a shot at the le because their own conference failed to meet requirements in order to join the BCS because of attendance stipulations, it's the same reason a MAC team can play in a game, but not the le game. If their fans want them to have a shot at the BCS every year they should buy tickets and go to the games.

College football has a playoff, it starts in Septemeber. If you want to make it to the Big Game you should win all of your games; if you don't then you lose control and you should just shut the up. Win all your games and 95% of the time you will make it to the le game if you are in a BCS Conference. Who is there to blame if you have a loss or 2 and you don't make it into the BCS Game? only yourself.

[romad_20]

by that theory, the playoff starts in September like it should. Georgia started their playoff run in September and didn't advance. Teams' main focus should be winning their conference before thinking about a BCS Championship Game. Hawaii doesn't get a shot at the le because their own conference failed to meet requirements in order to join the BCS because of attendance stipulations, it's the same reason a MAC team can play in a game, but not the le game. If their fans want them to have a shot at the BCS every year they should buy tickets and go to the games.

College football has a playoff, it starts in Septemeber. If you want to make it to the Big Game you should win all of your games; if you don't then you lose control and you should just shut the up. Win all your games and 95% of the time you will make it to the le game if you are in a BCS Conference. Who is there to blame if you have a loss or 2 and you don't make it into the BCS Game? only yourself.

I agree but in a year like this I don't know how you can judge who is better if 6 teams have 2 losses. Winning your conference isn't necessarily indicative of how good of a team you are at the end of the season. UGA hasn't lost since early Oct and has played a harder schedule since. LSU has lost twice in that time frame and barely escaped in a couple of other games, they also lost at home to an unranked team. The SEC east had a great UGA team, a very good Fla team with the Heisman front runner, a good Tenn team and a good Kentucky team. The west had LSU and Auburn.

The playoffs are needed. Everything else will just be sports writer BS and a popularity contest. PROVE IT ON THE FIELD HEAD TO HEAD!

[PeterBurns]

[QUOTE=jochhejaam]

If you had been that factual to begin with, taking you to the woodshed would not have been necessary.

Are you kidding me.....I blew a hole in both of your alleged Woodshed arguement. Good to see you going Baghdad Bob on us....

[QUOTE=jochhejaam]

Oh, and you never did digress on LSU's 2 defeats to the 2 teams that lost a combined 9 games.
Oversight?

Well, We lost in Overtime to a Hot Kentucky team coming off a brutal week against Florida.

And we lost to the #23 Ranked team with the Heisman Runner-up.

Did I mention both of them in 3 OT's?

[Thunder Dan]

I agree but in a year like this I don't know how you can judge who is better if 6 teams have 2 losses. Winning your conference isn't necessarily indicative of how good of a team you are at the end of the season. UGA hasn't lost since early Oct and has played a harder schedule since. LSU has lost twice in that time frame and barely escaped in a couple of other games, they also lost at home to an unranked team. The SEC east had a great UGA team, a very good Fla team with the Heisman front runner, a good Tenn team and a good Kentucky team. The west had LSU and Auburn.

The playoffs are needed. Everything else will just be sports writer BS and a popularity contest. PROVE IT ON THE FIELD HEAD TO HEAD!

I know, this year is a huge toss up, but if you don't want to be part of the confusion you should win all your games. If you lose one or 2 games, you lose your right to . Auburn in 2004 had a legitimate beef, but I don't feel sorry for any team this year for being held out of the Championship Game. USC might be the best now, but they lost 2 games so it doesn't matter, same goes for Georgia. If you don't want the hassle, win all your games and don't take a week off. I don't care who loses to who, the result is the same, you lost. If you lose in a playoff you go home, you don't about who you lost to, or when you lost. If everyone treated the whole season as a playoff then people wouldn't so much about a system they won't change.

[BeerIsGood!]

by that theory, the playoff starts in September like it should. Georgia started their playoff run in September and didn't advance. Teams' main focus should be winning their conference before thinking about a BCS Championship Game. Hawaii doesn't get a shot at the le because their own conference failed to meet requirements in order to join the BCS because of attendance stipulations, it's the same reason a MAC team can play in a game, but not the le game. If their fans want them to have a shot at the BCS every year they should buy tickets and go to the games.

College football has a playoff, it starts in Septemeber. If you want to make it to the Big Game you should win all of your games; if you don't then you lose control and you should just shut the up. Win all your games and 95% of the time you will make it to the le game if you are in a BCS Conference. Who is there to blame if you have a loss or 2 and you don't make it into the BCS Game? only yourself.

That might be the most re ed thing I've read in a while. The playoff started in September? Then why wasn't Ohio St. eliminated after the Ill. loss and LSU eliminated after the Kentucky loss? Or EVEN THE ARK LOSS? Get outta here with that bull . This isn't basketball or hockey. No 7 game series here, football is one and done in the playoffs anywhere it is played.

The two best teams in the country could be LSU and Georgia, but they both can't win their conference to play in the le game. It's not that hard to understand. Get a 16 team playoff with the top four teams getting a bye and hash it out to see who really are the two best teams, and they could even be from the same conference.

[Extra Stout]

by that theory, the playoff starts in September like it should. Georgia started their playoff run in September and didn't advance. Teams' main focus should be winning their conference before thinking about a BCS Championship Game. Hawaii doesn't get a shot at the le because their own conference failed to meet requirements in order to join the BCS because of attendance stipulations, it's the same reason a MAC team can play in a game, but not the le game. If their fans want them to have a shot at the BCS every year they should buy tickets and go to the games.

College football has a playoff, it starts in Septemeber. If you want to make it to the Big Game you should win all of your games; if you don't then you lose control and you should just shut the up. Win all your games and 95% of the time you will make it to the le game if you are in a BCS Conference. Who is there to blame if you have a loss or 2 and you don't make it into the BCS Game? only yourself.

By that theory, the national championship can only be legitimate if a major-conference team goes undefeated; else, the whole thing is arbitrary.

[Thunder Dan]

That might be the most re ed thing I've read in a while. The playoff started in September? Then why wasn't Ohio St. eliminated after the Ill. loss and LSU eliminated after the Kentucky loss? Or EVEN THE ARK LOSS? Get outta here with that bull . This isn't basketball or hockey. No 7 game series here, football is one and done in the playoffs anywhere it is played.

The two best teams in the country could be LSU and Georgia, but they both can't win their conference to play in the le game. It's not that hard to understand. Get a 16 team playoff with the top four teams getting a bye and hash it out to see who really are the two best teams, and they could even be from the same conference.

College Football will never have a playoff because of tradition, if you want to win the Championship and you want to control your own fate:win all your games. Why can't people accept that? It's not going to happen.

Every game matters in college football, the one is September could be just as important as the one in November. You should win your conference first, then worry about the BCS Championship. It's not like you make anymore money by playing in the BCS Championship than you do in the Sugar Bowl. Teams should win their conference and focus only on that and let the rest dictate itself.

By that theory, the national championship can only be legitimate if a major-conference team goes undefeated; else, the whole thing is arbitrary.

exactly, because the SunBelt, WAC, and MAC don't meet attendance standards set BY THE NCAA

[Extra Stout]

exactly, because the SunBelt, WAC, and MAC don't meet attendance standards set BY THE NCAA

Regardless of what attendance was in the WAC this year, since neither LSU nor Ohio State are undefeated, they therefore already lost in the "playoff," so their selection into the national championship game is arbitrary, and there in fact will not be a legitimate "national champion" crowned this year.

[Thunder Dan]

Regardless of what attendance was in the WAC this year, since neither LSU nor Ohio State are undefeated, they therefore already lost in the "playoff," so their selection into the national championship game is arbitrary, and there in fact will not be a legitimate "national champion" crowned this year.

I'm just saying that if you want to assure yourself a spot in the game then you shouldn't lose. If Georgia didn't want a part in this mess I'm sure there was a play they could have made sometime in September/October that could have teken them out of it. tOSU lost the least out of the BCS Conferences reguarldess of if they play in a weak conference or not, and LSU won their conference with 2 losses and was awarded the game. Georgia has the weakest argument of any of the schools, but it is very black and white, just win and if you do that 99% of the time you will win your conference, and 95% of the time you will make it to the BCS Championship Game.

[BeerIsGood!]

College Football will never have a playoff because of tradition, if you want to win the Championship and you want to control your own fate:win all your games. Why can't people accept that? It's not going to happen.

Every game matters in college football, the one is September could be just as important as the one in November. You should win your conference first, then worry about the BCS Championship. It's not like you make anymore money by playing in the BCS Championship than you do in the Sugar Bowl. Teams should win their conference and focus only on that and let the rest dictate itself.



exactly, because the SunBelt, WAC, and MAC don't meet attendance standards set BY THE NCAA

Use the bowls as a round of playoff games with the BCS bowls rotating to be the semifinals and finals year in and out. All of the Gator Bowls and Sun Bowls can still play with their teams outside of the top 16.

Really, the solution rests with the fans. One well timed, organized boycott of every bowl except the le game with the specified demand of the NCAA to organize a playoff system would change it all quickly when nobody is making any money and advertisers get screwed.

[K-State Spur]

College Football will never have a playoff because of tradition.

When the bowls started selling their names, they lost the right to claim tradition.

People who think that we will "never" have a playoff are out of touch with the pulse of the public.

It'll come. It may take the next generation coming to power, but it will come. Eventually, the powers that be will realize that the money available in a playoff dwarfs that currently coming from the BCS.

We're already hearing people who were hardcore against a playoff start to accept the possibility of a +1 game. Once that concession is made, the floodgates will burst and we'll be looking at a 16 team playoff within a decade.

[K-State Spur]

.if you want to win the Championship and you want to control your own fate:win all your games..

Tell that to 2004 Auburn.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

Well, We lost in Overtime to a Hot Kentucky team coming off a brutal week against Florida.

A hot Kentucky team? They had just lost to 6 loss S. Carolina 38-23 the week before beating LSU. How hot is that!!

And we lost to the #23 Ranked team with the Heisman Runner-up.

Hmm, is this the same 23rd ranked team with a Heisman candidate that lost to 6-6 Alabama, Kentucky, Auburn and Tennessee?

Did I mention both of them in 3 OT's?

So you were given extra opportunities to beat those 4 and 5 loss teams and you still couldn't put them away? Thanks for pointing that out.

[PeterBurns]

[QUOTE=jochhejaam]

A hot Kentucky team? They had just lost to 6 loss S. Carolina 38-23 the week before beating LSU. How hot is that!!


Hmm, is this the same 23rd ranked team with a Heisman candidate that lost to 6-6 Alabama, Kentucky, Auburn and Tennessee?


So you were given extra opportunities to beat those 4 and 5 loss teams and you still couldn't put them away? Thanks for pointing that out.

Honestly....I'm tired and totally hungover. So you win.
By the way, where's your team at?