Duncan sits, Bonner shines, Manu plays like trash

[FromWayDowntown]

Vince Carter has gotten double and triple teamed his entire career. It's a little different from Manu. He doesn't have a Tim Duncan to divert all of the attention away from him. Also, factor in that some nights he just doesn't care. He'll take 32 foot 3's, etc. etc.

So wait, Carter gets a pass (and, actually, a bump in esteem) because there are some nights that he just doesn't care, but Manu should be ripped a new one because last night he cared but didn't give the balls out effort we're all so used to seeing?

[TheAuthority]

I'm not questioning whether you like or dislike Manu, I'm questioning your apportionment of blame for the seasons in which the Spurs tragically failed to win les.

I would need an entire post to place the blame on everyone needed. I will mention 3 names that come to mind. Gregg Popovich, Tony Parker, Hedo Turkoglu.

That aside, what strikes me as odd about this thread is the fact that you've gone to such lengths to bash a guy whose supreme effort is unquestionable in 99% of the games that he plays.

That is a good point. But if you remember, originally... the thread was about a single game in the effort department. People here are keen on defending Manu to the death, so I simply responded to any questions directed at me about him. I called out Tony, nobody seemed to care. Yet, he's arguably the Spurs second best player.

[TheAuthority]

So your post is aimed entirely at those who are most unreasonable around here?

That part of the post is to cement the idea that Manu does not have what it takes to be a franchise player. It was directed at anyone that thinks that. If you deem them unreasonable, that's your choice.

[TheAuthority]

So wait, Carter gets a pass (and, actually, a bump in esteem) because there are some nights that he just doesn't care, but Manu should be ripped a new one because last night he cared but didn't give the balls out effort we're all so used to seeing?

I can't defend Vince Carter. The guy has everything needed to be one of the greatest, and just doesn't care half of the time. Rather, I should say... I can't defend his demeanor, but I will defend his skill.

[FromWayDowntown]

That is a good point. But if you remember, originally... the thread was about a single game in the effort department. People here are keen on defending Manu to the death, so I simply responded to any questions directed at me about him. I called out Tony, nobody seemed to care. Yet, he's arguably the Spurs second best player.

And my point, all along, has been that with Manu in particular, it seems rather unreasonable to make such a stink about a single game effort when those single games are such anomalies for the guy. You devote a paragraph of your original post to a scathing attack on a guy whose effort is so frequently great that his anomalous games are difficult to remember.

I'll defend Manu against that attack because I think it's generally unfounded. The dude plays his tail off for the Spurs; that he has a bad effort game once a season or so hardly warrants a thread ripping him.

I doubt you've gotten much argument about Tony primarily because your assertions about Manu seem absolutely unwarranted.

[FromWayDowntown]

That part of the post is to cement the idea that Manu does not have what it takes to be a franchise player. It was directed at anyone that thinks that. If you deem them unreasonable, that's your choice.

I don't know how one could deem Manu a franchise player and not be unreasonable. With the basketball knowledge that you boast about, I'd think you'd be able to discern that fact.

[TheAuthority]

And my point, all along, has been that with Manu in particular, it seems rather unreasonable to make such a stink about a single game effort when those single games are such anomalies for the guy. You devote a paragraph of your original post to a scathing attack on a guy whose effort is so frequently great that his anomalous games are difficult to remember.

My main argument was that he doesn't have what it takes to be a franchise guy, which you seem to agree with. You also agree that he didn't bring the effort needed last night, so I'm not sure what you're still arguing about.

I'll defend Manu against that attack because I think it's generally unfounded. The dude plays his tail off for the Spurs; that he has a bad effort game once a season or so hardly warrants a thread ripping him.

He plays hard most of the time, yes. I'm not questioning that. I'm saying he didn't bring it last game, and that isn't acceptable to me, especially with Tim down.

I doubt you've gotten much argument about Tony primarily because your assertions about Manu seem absolutely unwarranted.

Really? So he brought the effort necessary last night? He also is capable of being a franchise player? Despite that going against everything you've said, OK.

[TheAuthority]

I don't know how one could deem Manu a franchise player and not be unreasonable. With the basketball knowledge that you boast about, I'd think you'd be able to discern that fact.

No, I would just call those people biased or homers.

[FromWayDowntown]

Really? So he brought the effort necessary last night? He also is capable of being a franchise player? Despite that going against everything you've said, OK.

Poor syntax on my part -- attacking him for lacking effort in one game is absolutely unwarranted.

[Mister Sinister]

No, I would just call those people biased or homers.

Oh, wow. We lol'd. We lol'd HARD.

[TheAuthority]

Poor syntax on my part -- attacking him for lacking effort in one game is absolutely unwarranted.

That's your opinion.

[TheAuthority]

Oh, wow. We lol'd. We lol'd HARD.

Kind of like what I do at your signature, ing dork. rofl

[Mister Sinister]

Kind of like what I do at your signature, ing dork. rofl

Yeah, dude, if I gave a about what people thought of my unending and omnipresent nerd-itude, I A) wouldn't register with a screen name of a character from a rather obscure anime series, B) I wouldn't occasionally talk in Venom-speak, and C) I wouldn't have a screenshot and a quote of the character I took my screen name from in my sig.

[FromWayDowntown]

That's your opinion.

Which is equally as valid as yours.

[E20]

TheAuthority = rascal.

[Mister Sinister]

TheAuthority = rascal.

Totally. He's trying to be a rapscallion or a ne'er-do-well, but he's just a rascal. A rascally rascal, at that.

[E20]

Totally. He's trying to be a rapscallion or a ne'er-do-well, but he's just a rascal. A rascally rascal, at that.

Actually, there is a poster by the name of rascal who dogs Manu and praises Vince Carter. And the Authority is using rascal-esque logic.

[Mister Sinister]

Actually, there is a poster by the name of rascal who dogs Manu and praises Vince Carter. And the Authority is using rascal-esque logic.

Disregard that, I'm still a n00b.

[TheAuthority]

I'm out for awhile, it doesn't look like there are any more questions anyway, but if there are... I'll answer them when I return to the board.

[Mister Sinister]

I'm out for awhile, it doesn't look like there are any more questions anyway, but if there are... I'll answer them when I return to the board.

I have a question. Were you dropped on the head as a child? Often?

[diego]

you're comparing manu's ty game last night (his only of the season) to wince carter who QUIT on his team (some franchise player), and ironically enough he almost got booed out of the arena last night for shooting like crap. at least manu gets to the line (and hits most)! and in that game he was intentionally fouled twice, if not 3 times (dont remember exactly), in the last minute. that makes his FTs 13 or 11.

but what really makes me laugh is that you dog manu for not doing anything outside of scoring, then you're saying you'll take bonner over horry. horry > bonner because he's the 2nd best defensive big we have, not because he shoots at a nice clip from 3.

but carry on using your basketball knowledge to boil the game down to shooting percentages, its not like those percentages are affected by whats happening on the court or anything...

[Cry Havoc]

Dallas is getting blown out the building and they have all players playing.

I think we'll be fine this season.

[FirebatMIV]

Elaborate please. Try using something intelligent instead of using internet nerd slang, such as "so much fail".

Using the word "internet nerd" as an insult while partaking in a message board? The Irony is the silverlining.

[Doctor J]

"Ripping Manu after two great games when he has his first bad game of the season is lame. If he has one bad game for every 20 good games, he's playing better than 98% of the NBA."

I do agree with this statement.

[urunobili]

Guys... Tony and Manu were both disappointed that Timmy wasn't out there qwith them... and also... why to waste that many energy and avoid letting Tim think they're ok without him.. it was a classic "i miss you" act by both of them... i LOVE MY SPURS