Mitc Report Names

[MajorMike]

No, I understood EXACTLY what you said. You're so desperate to stave off cognitive dissonance against your McGwire worship, as you kneel before the altar to him of baseball cards, figurines, and a shred of cloth from a game-worn jersey you set up in your parents' basement, that you started flinging up spaghetti noodles against the wall to see what would stick.

Ok, brainzilla.... whatever gets you thru the night.

[johngateswhiteley]

Once you realized your mistake, you devolved into this ridiculous argument about whether he clarified himself soon enough for your liking, in a vain attempt, which nobody is buying, to make it seem as though you didn't just make a complete ass of yourself.

Please just stop. You are shaming the memory of all the great Oklahoma State graduates and RPI experts.

wow...nice.

[johngateswhiteley]

imo, mark mcgwire never deserved to be in the hall...he was always a one trick pony. i never understood how fans put him in the all star game over Bagwell, whom unlike mark, was a complete player.

steroids or not, and mcgwire did use steroids, i think he was borderline HOF material to begin with...and when you factor in the roids... no.


aside from that, i was relieved not to see Bagwell and Biggio's names on the list....though that doesn't necessarily clear them.

[BeerIsGood!]

Clemens is huge compared to his early days, just like barry but barry is black so more people went after him.

I'm not saying that Clemens didn't use anything, but you can't compare his case to Bonds at this point in time. Bonds has an absolute mountain of evidence including a federal charge against him while Clemens has one former trainer pointing the finger and nothing else tangible. It's still very possible that the one source is disgruntled and malicious and basically made a false statement knowing there was absolutely no way to prove or disprove his statements. How can anyone prove to the feds that he was lying when he said he stuck Clemens with steroids when it was just he and Clemens in the room? There's no one to either verify or disprove his statements, so they aren't really credible at this point. There needs to be an investigation into Clemens and into the source of the steroids to see if any paper trail or a credible witness can verify what the trainer said.

[Extra Stout]

aside from that, i was relieved not to see Bagwell and Biggio's names on the list....though that doesn't necessarily clear them.

Bagwell:

Sudden, dramatic change in body shape in mid-1990's? Check

Growth of facial hair to conceal acne? Check

Any of that true with Biggio? No.

[MajorMike]

Clemens is huge compared to his early days, just like barry but barry is black so more people went after him.

I hate it when whiners play the race card.

People went after Barry because he is a . to the press, to his teammates, to the press. Nobody likes him because he is a very unlikable guy. Dispite his exploits, he has never paid homage to the players of yesteryear that were not related to him.

Clemens is simply a liable guy. I hate the yankees and astros, and Red Sox for that matter... but I can't help but like Clemens. He's always been a good guy, open and accessable, in funny commercials, and just not a .

People went after Bonds because of him, not because of his color.

[K-State Spur]

Clemens is huge compared to his early days, just like barry but barry is black so more people went after him.

not to defend clemens (i definitely believe that he did) - but clemens added some fat over the years. not 30 pounds of pure muscle.

[K-State Spur]

I hate it when whiners play the race card.

People went after Barry because he is a . to the press, to his teammates, to the press. Nobody likes him because he is a very unlikable guy. Dispite his exploits, he has never paid homage to the players of yesteryear that were not related to him.

Clemens is simply a liable guy. I hate the yankees and astros, and Red Sox for that matter... but I can't help but like Clemens. He's always been a good guy, open and accessable, in funny commercials, and just not a .

People went after Bonds because of him, not because of his color.

clemens also has that whole thing where he'll throw at a guys head if he thinks he was looked at wrong, but what the , he's a good guy...

[FromWayDowntown]

Clemens is simply a liable guy.

Typo, I'm assuming; perhaps a Freudian slip, though.

[mikejones99]

Barry Bonds is likeable and they went after him because he is breaking records of people old people like more.

[johngateswhiteley]

Bagwell:

Sudden, dramatic change in body shape in mid-1990's? Check

Growth of facial hair to conceal acne? Check

Any of that true with Biggio? No.

i don't remember a sudden dramatic change in Bagwell's shape. the facial hair is stupid, i understand what you are saying and i understand the era of doubt we now live in...but come on bro.

i have Bagwell's rookie card and his body type doesn't look drastically different than it did a few years ago....in fact his weight is almost the exact same. Bonds gained a bunch of weight, Bagwell didn't. furthermore, Bagwell's production was consistent and body improvement well within the normal capacity to improve lean muscle mass.

...of course, i am not saying he didn't use at some point, just that your insinuations are baseless.