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Mobley? Damn we are desperate.
The only thing Mobley's a step up from is an out-for-the-year Barry, and that's an awful lot of money just for that, unless you can get rid of Finley in the process. If the Spurs can't land Miller, and can't find a big that's going to be less in Pop's doghouse than Elson, then they probably need to stand pat. The move most likely to threaten the Spurs' championship chances this year would be the Mavericks NOT getting rid of Devin Harris. I haven't seen anything to convince me that the Spurs can't win it again with the current roster if they are healthy.
Mobley? Damn we are desperate.
We don't really need anyone, although I'd like to see Elson in another uniform.
We could easily win with the team we got, as long as we got our health.
You guys are great. Obviously Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem would be preferred players to target. Any basketball fan with a pulse can tell you that. However, when you get your head out of the clouds and start looking at more realistic options, Mobley would be a decent short term fix.
Every team and every team's fans are eyeing Miller and Haslem right now. I doubt the Spurs will be able to get either. They'll try but even if the Griz and Heat are selling, other teams can offer better packages.
Now, crossing off Miller and Haslem from the list and looking at more realistic options, the selection isn't that great. You have an aging veteran like Mobley or Joe Smith. You have one dimensional role players like Jason Kapono and Jeff Foster. And then after that, the players either don't fit with the team basketball-wise or chemistry-wise.
The other option is to continue on with what the Spurs have. The dangers in that are Barry's injury (the Spurs could think he's done), Elson hurting more than helping and an aging roster that will be difficult to add to during the offseason. The Spurs have a lot of aging players with expiring contracts. To replenish the roster, the Spurs could have something like $6M to cover about three or four openings.
I know Spurs fans want to only settle only for Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem or Wilt Chamberlain reincarnate, but the Spurs never get the player Spurs fans want. They get the old veteran with one foot in the grave who won't demand a long-term contract. But I'll apologize for actually bringing up trades that don't have young superstars coming to San Antonio for Francisco Elson.
I'd put it this way. I'd rather try and resign Barry next year for the Vet min or the LLE, than spend 9 million per season on Mobely. Mike Miller would be worth the money (if he works out); Mobely is simply massively overpaid. Of the players you listed, I would consider trading for Foster or Smith.
As far as what to do in the offseason, assuming no major trades, my suggestions are here:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=28
as far as immediate trades, I expect a small one to deal with the extra cap space. Likely something tricky. My suggestion is as follows:
A sequence of trades
1) Trade Elson to SAC for J Williams, Dahntay Jones, Douby
2) Kings Sign and trade Darryl Watkins ($427563, league min, 3 years, only 1st year guaranteed) for 1.845 million Traded Player Exception from SA (acquired when we traded Udrih to the Wolves)
3) Kings trade part of Trade Exception to SA for Douby and a 2nd round pick
4) Kings trade remainder of TE to SA for Watkins and Cash to compensate the extra salary they incur as part of this deal (Elson + Watkins = 3,427,563, pro rated to end of year, vs. Williams and Jones = 1,401,883, pro rated to end of year ~ 1,000,000).
5) Kings buy out Watkins..
Net SA trades Elson + 2nd round pick for Williams and Jones.
SA gets under cap. Gets 2 bodies to fill out end of bench (Elson has been useless so no loss there). Kings get an extra 2nd round pick. Williams (81 MIN, 18 GAMES) and Jones(198, 20 gAMES) have played a combined 279 minutes so far. They are not significant parts of the Kings rotation; now that the kings are over their injury issues, they won't be seeing time at all.
I am not expecting a blockbuster...
I'm not sure if you can pull off part 4. If not, SA buys him out rather than SAC; SA should still be under the lux tax, having dropped 1.5 million in salary (Elson - Williams and Jones). THey also send less money to SAC.
Maybe we should trade Barry + Red Rocket + filler for Troy Murphy. He can really space the floor and help he team.
The swingman rotation could thin out a bit after this season and it's not exactly a great free agent market for those spots upcoming in the summer.
Brad Miller - I think he could fit in well in SA. He has enough range on his J, rebounds well, and can block shots. That said, his price isn't that horrible for a big man with his skill and unless the Kings are looking to free up cap, trim payroll, and/or move in another direction I'm not sure why'd they move him.
Jeff Foster - rebounding. Couldn't be worse than Elson.
Damien Wilkins - hustle guy who can plays hard. Seems like a team player. Not sure why Seattle would move him.
Antonio Daniels - I think he could be a nice fit in the Spurs' perimeter rotation. Can do a little of everything, plays with some poise, and can back up both backcourt spots. This summer's free agent guard selection is somewhat slim in the Spurs' price range. AD wouldn't be a bad fit all things considered.
would be a huge upgrade over Elson in many more aspects. rebounding is just one obvious one.
Foster is a much better defender. either in a team defense and man to man.
and even if the numbers don't point to it, Foster will also be a significant aspect on offense. Foster doesn't score much, but thanks to the fact that he is one of the best offensive rebounders (different to Elson, who isn't very good there), his points come from opportunities a player like Elson would never create. by their numbers their offensive production looks similar, in fact Foster would raise the offensive team production for about 2 PPG compared to Elson.
salary dump.
Seattle would have to cut about 10 million in salary to become a player in next years free agency. Wilkins might be a typical trow in in a bigger package.
I was thinking about how to get Collison (who would be a nice fit alongside Tim IMO), which isn't easy because he is a BYC player. it needs a bigger package.
Collison + Wilkins + West for Barry + Elson + Ian + Picks would work.
(I know, there are some problematic points, Spurs go more than 1 million over the threshold, which will cost them another 3 million over all.)
however, all three players might fit nice with the Spurs (I'm not much of a Wilkinson fan though) and even if the Sonics don't get much talent in return, this move opens many options for their future, which is building around Durant (and this years top pick, Rose would fit great).
he would be a very expensive solution for the improvement he would provide. and the Wiz are still in the PO race, can't see them sacrifice their PG with Arenas still out. if they think at deadline, that they won't make the PO, then yes.
You also had to look at who/what Spurs could trade :
Duncan, Ginobili, Parker and Bowen won't be traded.
Stoudamire can't be traded by CBA rule.
So Spurs, have 9 players who could be traded.
I doubt Spurs trade Horry or Finley by respect and because Pop want them in his rotation.
Vaughn can't be traded without his agreement, Pop likes him, he has a low trade value and his contract is small. For all these reasons, I don't see him being traded.
Oberto also seems to be safe. He is important player for Spurs.
Mahinmi and Udoka have little trade value and their salaries are very low. I don't see Spurs trading them unless they give up on them or they get a good offer for them.
Bonner is in the doghouse since January. IMO, he is on the trading block.
Elson and Barry are also on the trading block. Barry has played well this year but his contract is just too atractive to not be a trade assets. Elson has been bad this year and has also a nice expiring contract.
Spurs have also other assets like some trade exceptions, first round picks and right to players. Splitter is maybe the best of these assets but I can see Spurs not being interested by trading him.
In any case, the luxury tax and the 2010 plan will likely be deciding factors.
timvp, I think what we're saying is that for the money, we're okay with Finley/Barry over Mobley. Mobley doesn't upgrade us there to warrant upsetting the apple cart at that price.
I like Mike Miller, but don't see Memphis dealing him now.
Joe Smith has enjoyed a renaissance this season, but his knees are creaky.
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