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14 is to young for sex.
15 imo. Nice odd number.
Except there is only ONE SURE WAY not to get a girl pregnant. And that is to ABSTAIN. It works 100% of the time!Yeah, I forgot it was a 4-page thread, and by the time I got to the end of it I worked that out.
ing abstinence programs, what horse . GW and his hard-right cronies screwed the US and the developing world with that crap - they canceled all US funds to sexual education that featured condom use, and surprise, surprise, STD and birth rates in the third world went through the roof. Well done!
BTW, do you guys have the "morning after pill"? You can take it up to 48 hours after sex and it brings on a period. It's very useful for broken condoms and the like, although there is some controversy about it since pro-lifers say it's a "no-consequences abortion". The fact that you have to get it from a doctor makes of mockery of that, but that's another debate for another time. Might've helped these kids to know about it though... (were they using condoms and it broke, or was it just a case of ignorance?)
PS Manny, at 14 I was just like you - playing cricket and doing homework was all I did after school. I had no interest in girls until turning 16, and then they weren't interested in me (I was too much of a geek), so my parents never had to worry about me getting a girl pregnant...
If you have sex, GUESS WHAT, WIT? YOU AREN'T ABSTAINING!!
And yes, I HAVE teenaged daughters. Whom I'm actually SPENDING THE TIME TO RAISE. You know, doing my duties as a father?
Glad you aren't teaching anything to MY girls.
14 is to young for sex.
15 imo. Nice odd number.
Definitely a consideration:
Just a little comic relief; this thread is just way too scary!!!
don't think I never considered that...
I'm in no way saying that my parenting is greater than the next guy/gal because this kind of can happen with good and bad parents alike. I was raised well and I can't even begin to count the times I stole my parents car when I was 14/15 years old to go chase some tail. Anything can happen.
What I am being critical of is the over cautious steps and inclusion you people go through to make what is a pretty obvious decision. I love how you guys can debate abortion and her making the decision and whether or not there should be an adoption and so forth. The path of least resistance and the path with the highest probability of a successful outcome longterm is clearly to terminate the pregnancy. She wasn't supposed to be pregnant in the first place but yet when faced with a tough call we abandon the core priciple of not getting pregnant in the first place in lieu of a debate on what to do next.
Somewhere along the lines society has blurred the lines of better judgement for long drawn out debates on right and wrong. This is exactly why there are some many laws and provision that protect the weak and feable. Instead of making a clean strong decision and taking care of the situation you people decide to skew the lines of clear cut reason for alternative methods of dealing with a problem. Its no wonder how incapable people are these days when it comes to the most basic stuff.
Lets go do something today hun. Call the preacher, sheriff, doctor, counselor and teh web to help us decide the next course of action. Its seems these days everything in life has to be some great moral debate, nothing is decisive and we'll argue anything to the core of its death. Its sad we live in a world where making good decisions is abonadoned because we're incapable of comprehending and executing in the simplists of ways.
This is what America brought to the world. The media is killing our teenagers.
wow. that's some statement.
As is this one...
It's a baby...not a "problem"...
The girls gotta deal with the consequences. Period.
Thats why the put a time limit as to when you can terminate. According to some its not a baby. I'm not saying I'm of that belief but there is an opportunity here to right the ship legally without longterm ramifications.
The girl or everyone else at her mercy?
Abortions can have long term ramifications- both physically and psychologically.
This is an issue about which there will never be agreement because the basic premise is not the same depending upon your views. If you believe it is a baby, I do not see how you could ever consider abortion. I could never tell my child to kill my grandchild, no matter how old they were. That is my belief and I know that everyone else does not believe it.
The long term ramifications in comparision to a lifetime of obligation for not just her but everyone else that has to step in and help are minimal to potentially none. I'm bench testing the option to itself not the off chance that something could go wrong and likely won't. It'll be what they make of it to an extent but I'm simply pointing out the fact that in a perfect world this wouldn't have happened and because of her age and the situation and everyone that it affects there is no reason not to envoke some common sense and put it back the way it was before this happened. This situation is resolved and the chances of long term problems are pretty small in comparison to what it would take to have this child.
I'm not going to debate on whether its a baby or not because according the law they can terminate without it being considered murder.
I don't see any reason to make another bad decision on top of an already bad situation when you don't have to.
I keep thinking how I won't let my kids have a dog right now because I don't want the financial and all the other responsibilities that come with it, because since they aren't old enough to have a job or a decent attention span, of course it will fall on me.
I just can't imagine replacing the "dog" in that conversation to "baby". I can't even wrap my mind around that.
My sister had an abortion about 12 years ago. It was the right thing for her to do at the time. About 8 years ago she got married. Now she is having marital problems because she can't get pregnant. I feel really bad for her, but it is what it is I guess.
Basically what Im saying is problems now, or problems later. I know my sis wishes she had kept the child now. Its just a really tough spot to be in on a person by person case.
I wish I could "throw away" any of my problems just like that. That would be awesome.
I just disagree with abortion. Thats just me.
I'm not saying abortion wouldn't be the best choice here - but I am saying that no one can make that decision for her or force that decision on her. She has to agree to it/with it.
I agree she isn't capable of making a decision on her own - but she has to make the choice, because of what abortion is and how it can affect her. There are some serious psychological issues that can go along with abortion when an older, educated woman makes that decision for herself - it can be much much worse for a teenager, especially if she's not given the choice.
I don't agree it would be in anyone's best interest for her to try and raise the child.
It's a hard, painful decision whatever she does - so now it's time for her to grow up and start thinking about the realities of each possible outcome. That is worth the debate. Her life is changed forever - whatever happens. There is some debate that needs to take place to make sure her life (and the lives of her family) are not destroyed by this.
CC said she was only about 6 weeks along - so there is still plenty of time for a legal and generally safe abortion, and plenty of time to think everything through and debate it all.
Kids will be kids, and people in developing countries the same. People will have sex whether you want them to or not. Given that, would you rather they know what it is, what it means, what the consequences are, and how to PREVENT them (ie. condom use), or would you rather bury your head in the sand and pretend that telling people not to do something they want to do will stop them from doing it? Prohibition doesn't work and never has - human nature is a far stronger force.
I didn't say that abstinence is a bad thing - of course it's not. But running sex education programs based on teaching abstinence alone is naive and damaging, because guess what, some people won't abstain. If you haven't taught them what sex means or how to avoid prenancy/STDs, you then get bad outcomes because they have unprotected sex.
Basing an entire sex education strategy around abstinence alone is farcical.
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 02-26-2008 at 06:36 PM.
What did you/he expect posting this issue on an internet forum?
Judgement as far, as wide and high as you can see...thats what you should expect.
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Unfortunately, yes, you're going to see a lot of that here. That's what I meant when I said "you can tell who the parents are"...we're more scared to death than judgemental. "There but for the grace of God go I" and all that.
And in case you have misinterpreted any of my posts in this thread...I have thrown no mud at the parents.
I'm stupid??? Well I can clearly see the system didn't fail you. Your cunning wit and attention to detail are spot on. I would never in a million years consider locking horns with a man of you superior intelect. Way to ing read between the lines.
Excellent back peddle Kyle Smith
It IS frightening. My kids are all under 8 - next year we're going to sit the older two down for "the talk" ( a much more thorough one than I had with my parents) and they're all going on birth control before they hit twelve
Seriously, all I ever heard from my parents was, "Sex before marriage is evil," which is odd since the old folks are not in the least bit religious. Despite what they said... well, I'm damned lucky I didn't get into this girl's same situation. The thought of having teenagers scares the out of me.
19 and 17 here...I'm deep in the throes of the fear...
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