A young guy like Justin Williams isn't going to come in here 55 games into the season and get 10-15 mpg in the playoffs. Right or wrong, Avery is not going to trust a guy like that without having gone through training camp first. A vet like Magloire will get those minutes.
And yes, Dallas absolutely needs low-post scoring wherever it can get it. An inability to pound the Warriors inside cost us dearly last year.
Bowen and Malik used to guard Dirk. Bowen was free to hassle Dirk for the minutes Malik wasn't on because Josh Howard wasn't around or as good back then, and Ginobili/whoever could guard Finley because he was just a shooter you had to get a hand up on.
Malik always used to do a stellar job on Dirk. Had the strength so Dirk couldn't post him up, and had quick enough feet and lateral movement to force Dirk to be a jumpshooter and not much else. Could also rebound with Dirk.
Yeah Magloire is really slow though so don't know if which way is a bigger mismatch. That is if he has to guard Al Harrington and Dirk on Stephen Jackson. GS though is going bigger now but I'm sure they will put that small lineup again if we face them.
If we face GS again, Bass and Kidd will be the main differences. Bass is exactly the kind of guy to use against small lineup gimmicks. And there is no one in the league who is better at taking Baron off his game than Kidd. Always has been. And with Kidd here there will be no more Dirk isolations. We are set against small ball. We'll see how we do against big teams.Yeah Magloire is really slow though so don't know if which way is a bigger mismatch. That is if he has to guard Al Harrington and Dirk on Stephen Jackson. GS though is going bigger now but I'm sure they will put that small lineup again if we face them.
Magloire is to Duncan stopper
as
Earl Boykins is to Parker stopper
I stated facts...maybe you should look them up??
He was an all-star ONCE in 03-04, which was 4 seasons ago.
9/9 was 05-06, which I think is 2 seasons ago...but I'm no math whiz.
Not wasting anymore time on this...
don't give them the dunks and lay-ups that keep the game close enough that the fade-away 3s matter...
I guess that some Spurs would have called Magloire a good pickup if Spurs had sign him.
Mavs have signed him, he is now the biggest scrub in the NBA.
Magloire is the best Mavs could have hope given their constraints. He has lost a lot of speed/athleticism after his injury but he has been a solid player for 2 years after it. To me, he is a downgrade from Diop but he could help Mavs especially if the main reason behind his bad season with Nets was a bad fit with them.
Jamaal Magloire will stp Tim DuncanJamaal Magloire ie Vin Baker
and they would have been wrong. (unless this was 2003)
Magloire is a big body to throw at opposing Western Conference big men. He's never been a solid defender, but he's always been decent offensively. Haven't seen him much since he left New Orleans, but I don't expect the Mavs will be hurt by him in the playoffs. One thing is certain, Erick Dampier WILL be in foul trouble - regardless of the opponent - count on it.
And that's exactly why we signed him - because Dampier will probably not be able to play more than 30 minutes a game.
In the defense of Mav fans, LMAO, no Mav fan said he was a Duncan stopper. Mav fans have been saying something totally different.
unbelievable, reading this thread and hearing the so called experts, they make Diop out to be this dominate big man who scored 20 and 15... he was a backup center that at times provided energy and defense. He was terribly inconsistent. yes, he helped the mavs but more often than not he was ineffective. Mavs losing Diop is like the spurs losing Elson....the loss is lessened with the acquistion of Magloire. People also act like Mags will be playing 20+ min, he would be lucky to max out at 15.
Nobody is a Duncan stopper but what better options were available to the Mavs than Magloire? The West has so many big men and the Mavs only had 1 center. He'll be 6 fouls and a big body to throw out there. If he gives you some easy baskets, grabs some rebounds, and at least plays some defense he'll be fine for the Mavs.
Exactly...but what else is new around here...Spurs fans do this $hit all the time...
I just think it's funny that what, 3 threads yesterday turned into Mavs vs. Spurs threads.Exactly...but what else is new around here...Spurs fans do this $hit all the time...
Hmm, 29 year old on an active roster all year long vs a dude collecting social security. Great take
I'm still wondering what series you guys were watching. The Warriors shoot threes on the break when open, which is part of Nellie's offiense (watch Steve Nash on a break to this day). That said, they didn't shoot an outstanding percentage until the last two games of the series, one of which they lost. The Warriors got lots of breaks because they got lots of steals and blocks. The Mavericks took a lot of jumpers and missed them and Golden State's shooters were open many times because of the damage they did inside. If the Mavericks had taken better shots, they would have won the series. Instead they tried to play the Warriors' game at their pace and lost. The Mavs shot an outstanding percentage in '06 when they beat the Spurs because they hit their jumpers, but the jumpers weren't the first shot, they were set up by the damage they were able to do at the rim and in the paint. That was work they just didn't do against Golden State.
It's really too bad that the resolve of the fans who were bragging about the "new look" defensive-minded Mavericks just a year ago has devolved back into "we need to shoot more jumpers", "we need to run more" and "we need to worry more about outscoring our opponent than playing defense" after just one terrible playoff series. Hopefully the team is smarter, but the Kidd trade makes me think that's not the case.
Are there archives for those Mavs-Warriors games? I'd love to see them again.
I still have game 6 on my PVR. I re-watched it last night to see if there were any fall-away three pointers like the Mavs fans keep asserting. Stackhouse hit five of them in the first quarter to keep the game close.
Golden State is going to run all game long regardless of what the other team does, but if the opponent slows the game down then the Warriors can set up all the funky zones and traps that Nellie has devised. The Warriors are active and aggressive on defense when they get a chance to set up. When they force missed shots or turnovers then they are off to the races. If you push the ball at them and try to score before they can organize their defense, then you can score a lot of easy baskets and also set up good offensive rebounding opportunities if the initial shot is missed.
Honestly, the Mavs had the most success when they guarded the 3-point line and dared the Warriors to try and beat them inside. Biedrins is their only classic low-post inside finisher.The Mavericks took a lot of jumpers and missed them and Golden State's shooters were open many times because of the damage they did inside.
Nowitzki is a face up shooter, so it makes no sense to slow the game down and have him grind it out in the post with defenders trapping him as the shot clock winds down. When you push the ball up the court, it's best to have Nowitzki spot up and then the guards can score layups. If the defense collapses to stop their drives then Nowitzki can drain open jumpers/three pointers all night long.If the Mavericks had taken better shots, they would have won the series. Instead they tried to play the Warriors' game at their pace and lost.
The Mavs didn't lose to the Warriors because of ty defense, they lost because they went into Nellie's Briar Patch of trying to slow the game down and take advantage of size "mismatches." The two games they won were high-scoring games, and the four they lost is when they struggled to score, because they fell into Golden State's trap of setting up their half-court offense. Harris and Terry are great pushing the ball with their speed and creating easy-basket opportunities in the open court. What they aren't good at is running a half-court offense because they telegraph their passes and can't get the ball to Dirk in the right spots. Dirk deserves the most blame for that series loss, but he had virtually no help from his coaches or his teammates either. People hammer on Avery for going small in Game One. That's part of the problem, but what really killed them was going slow.It's really too bad that the resolve of the fans who were bragging about the "new look" defensive-minded Mavericks just a year ago has devolved back into "we need to shoot more jumpers", "we need to run more" and "we need to worry more about outscoring our opponent than playing defense" after just one terrible playoff series. Hopefully the team is smarter, but the Kidd trade makes me think that's not the case
It's no surprise that they beat the Warriors twice this year in high-scoring games where they pushed the ball. I think it was easy enough for Avery to understand that you're never going to beat the Spurs in a half-court game, so you have to push the ball and play smallballl and use Terry and Harris' speed to your advantage. For whatever reason, the Dallas coaching staff was slow to understand that you need to mount the exact same attack against Golden State for different reasons. The Warriors only chance to get stops is to set up their zones and traps on defense, and on offense, over the course of 48 minutes, they will exhibit more questionable shot selection than a team like Dallas.
Last edited by Findog; 02-27-2008 at 07:52 PM.
Generally, bigs who have long arms and a solid base play well against post players period. Whats the point?
There is no tim duncan stopper.
Solid post. Most everything on here from Spurs fans these days (well, save a select few) is nothing but hypocrisy. Props for keeping it real.
Although, I think you're wrong about Magloire being a downgrade from Diop. He's especially not a downgrade considering that Avery wasn't even playing Diop.
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