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  1. #101
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    Zydrunas Ilgauskas has made two all star games.

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    Jamal Magloire was an all-star?
    He sure was. In fact, I believe it was just the year before Ilgausgas made the all-star team, in a conference devoid of centers (at the time anyways, it was before guys like Dwight Howard emerged)

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    Zydrunas Ilgauskas has made two all star games.
    That's more of an indication of how terrible the East's big men are, than a tribute to Z's greatness.

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    Kobe's main teammates the previous two seasons were: Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, and Brian Cook.

    The previous three years, Kobe's supporting cast was pretty awful. This year, it's been much better with the development of Bynum, Farmar, and to a lesser extent Vujacic, the re-acquisition of Derek Fisher, and the trade for Pau Gasol. But, it's arguable at best that Kobe had a better supporting cast than LeBron the previous 2-3 seasons.
    Lamar Odom >>>>>>> anyone Lebron has ever had.

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    That's more of an indication of how terrible the East's big men are, than a tribute to Z's greatness.
    Thanks.

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    That's more of an indication of how terrible the East's big men are, than a tribute to Z's greatness.
    True, but Jamaal Magloire's one fluke all star season still doesn't merit comparison to Zydrunas as a complementary player for a contending team.

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    Lamar Odom >>>>>>> anyone Lebron has ever had.
    One player does not = entire supporting cast.

    When the 3-9 players include Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Vladimir Radmanovic, Maurice Evans, Brian Cook, and Chris Mihm, your team is not very good.

    LeBron has not had a great supporting cast either. But, Zydrunas, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes (I know he was bad at Cleveland), Varejao, Gibson, Pavlovic, Marshall, and Snow/Damon Jones, as bad as they are, are a better supporting cast than what Kobe has had the previous three seasons.

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    True, but Jamaal Magloire's one fluke all star season still doesn't merit comparison to Zydrunas as a complementary player for a contending team.
    But Z sucks. If he is supposed to be your complimentary player, then your team has issues.

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    I guess

    Smush Parker
    Kobe Bryant
    Luke Walton
    Lamar Odom
    Kwame Brown

    is a better team then

    Larry Hughes
    Eric Snow
    Lebron James
    Drew Gooden
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas

    HAHAH...i want what you're smkoing.

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    One player does not = entire supporting cast.

    When the 3-9 players include Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Vladimir Radmanovic, Maurice Evans, Brian Cook, and Chris Mihm, your team is not very good.

    LeBron has not had a great supporting cast either. But, Zydrunas, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes (I know he was bad at Cleveland), Varejao, Gibson, Pavlovic, Marshall, and Snow/Damon Jones, as bad as they are, are a better supporting cast than what Kobe has had the previous three seasons.
    It's arguable, for the other spares, but Odom, Mihm and Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>> Z and Gooden. IMO, Walton is a better fit as a role player than Hughes as well. Hughes is a black hole.

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    exactly if he was in the west he would never make an all-star team.
    which shows how hard it is to get to the finals in the West. You think Lebron would take his team past the Suns, then Dallas, then Spurs in the 2006-2007 season?

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    which shows how hard it is to get to the finals in the West. You think Lebron would take his team past the Suns, then Dallas, then Spurs in the 2006-2007 season?
    Did Kobe?

    Oh, he didn't.

    STFU

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    maybe, maybe not..it can be argued either way..but would Kobe with Lebron's supporting cast take the Cavs to the finals, I highly doubt that.

    In the Eastern Conference? I say yes. Kobe led a starting line-up that included Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Kwame Brown to the playoffs in the Western Conference.

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    It's arguable, for the other spares, but Odom, Mihm and Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>> Z and Gooden. IMO, Walton is a better fit as a role player than Hughes as well. Hughes is a black hole.
    WTF...in 2006-2007..Mihm didnt even play (injured)..Bynum barely touched the floor...and you are comparing 3 players to 2. LOL

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    no but I think Lebron would have beaten the Suns especially if they were 3-1 in that series..considering that his team beat Detroit and was down 2-0!
    ur mixing up the wrong seasons.

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    Did Kobe?

    Oh, he didn't.

    STFU
    EXACTLY MY POINT. EAST IS WEAK.

    Thanks...ooo..someone is getting butt hurt..whut happened to the e-thug.

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    It's arguable, for the other spares, but Odom, Mihm and Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>> Z and Gooden. IMO, Walton is a better fit as a role player than Hughes as well. Hughes is a black hole.
    Bynum wasn't really a factor before this year. I already said this year, Kobe has a better supporting cast, especially with Bynum's development. Mihm sucks. And, why is it just Z and Gooden when you listed three front court players for the Lakers?

    Z, Gooden, Varejao >>>>>>>>>> Odom, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm

    Walton isn't capable of scoring 40 points in a game. Hughes didn't fit that great in Cleveland. He still has tons more talent than Luke Walton.

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    Kobe's last 3 seasons....missed the playoffs than was up 3-1 and lost to the Suns and then lost the the Suns in 5 games.
    What im saying is you think Lebron would have beaten the suns, but Lebron did his playoff magic last year, but the season the suns were down 3-1 was the season before....my point being, maybe at that year, lebron wasnt as good enough yet to beat the suns...Lebron pretty much has been going nuts these last two seasons. Not sure if the Lebron of 3 years ago could have made an impact in the west.

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    Kobe isn't getting past Detroit..Detroit can guard Kobe better than Lebron because Lebron is way stronger than Kobe. At least Prince could make some of Kobe's shots difficult but Lebron can abuse Prince at will!
    Kobe is every bit as strong as Dwyane Wade and can attack the rim like he could plus he's a better shooter. Detroit's defense the last two seasons, especially interior resistance to dribble drive penetration has been very bad, most particularly in the playoffs.

    Last year, with Ben Wallace gone to Chicago, Kobe could have done what LeBron did.

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    WTF...in 2006-2007..Mihm didnt even play (injured)..Bynum barely touched the floor...and you are comparing 3 players to 2. LOL
    You're a ing idiot, seriously.

    There was a period when Mihm was playing more, and a period when Bynum was playing more.

    Another thing... in terms of indivdual players, Lebron's scrubs MAY be better. But in terms of fitting as a role player, Kobe has had plenty of guys who can hit the 3 ball, such as Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, Radmanovic, Parker, Evans, and at times, Odom. Guys like Kobe and Lebron need people who are capable of hitting open jumpshots. What shooters has Lebron had? Jones, Marshall, Gibson, and like Odom, at times Hughes could, and thats it. No one else on Lebron's team could shoot for . If building around those guys, I would rather surround him with shooters than guys who are a little more capable of scoring on iso's but cant shoot for .

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    EXACTLY MY POINT. EAST IS WEAK.

    Thanks...ooo..someone is getting butt hurt..whut happened to the e-thug.
    Your argument is what's weak. Especially when you have to resort to the "tough guy" just because you are too unclever to think of your own insult.

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    Z, Gooden, Varejao combined < Odom alone
    fixed.

  23. #123
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    Scoring 40 points in a game doesn't mean that much considering that Linas Kleiza scored 41 points this year.
    It means more that a player's talent is completely incapable of scoring 40 points, and that's the case with Luke Walton.

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    You're a ing idiot, seriously.

    There was a period when Mihm was playing more, and a period when Bynum was playing more.
    Hey DUMBASS. MIHM played 0 (ZERO) games last year. If playing more means playing ZERO, i guess you are right.

    Moron.

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    Z, Gooden, Varejao combined < Odom alone
    fixed.
    No.

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