Chlling Ruling in California - Scary

[Holt's Cat]

I believe that parents should be able to homeschool their children in California without having the credentials that are required of teachers in the state of California. Obviously that requires a change in statute, and the court merely followed the existing statute plus the relevant case law. In addition, I have doubts about the value of those credentials as it relates to an individual's ability to provide quality instruction in a public school.

[ChumpDumper]

If you're competent enough to get an associate's degree, much less a bachelor's, you're competent enough to homeschool your children

So an associate's degree is enough? You would accept that as a prerequisite for homechooling?

[Purple & Gold]

What difference is it what the "State of California" wants? This ruling goes against the desires of the State Department of Education in the first place. What, do all bureaucrats monolithically follow the enlightened desires of Great Socialist Leader without abusing power or following their own agendas? In what world does that happen? Is that why you people think that system would work?

Wait are you a Repub or not? I thought the "people's will" was a main issue with conservatives. The law in the State of California states that they don't want just anybody saying "I'm gonna homeschool my child". This is not a new law, if the people want it changed they can flex their power and get it changed. They just want some type of accountability and training from them. I don't know how this is some type of "Great Socialist Leader" deal, but I'm sure you'll find a way to make it one.

What this does is arm the petty left-wing school administrators that hate Christians to go after them. I've seen this happen in red-state yee-haw praise-Jesus Houston, Texas. Don't tell me it doesn't happen in freaking California.

I honestly have no idea about what you're talking about. Again to make this into some sort of persecution against Christians is more than just a stretch. It's downright paranoid.

The state DoE had outlined four legal means parents could homeschool their children. This ruling strikes down two of them. Nobody saw it coming. Those families are vulnerable.

I agree those famalies are vulnerable because this was a law that was hardly enforced. Now I doubt they're gonna start retroactively arresting those parents for contributing to delinquency or truancy. Now if they do start doing that, then my opinion will change on that matter. There will be some deep looking at this law and revising and updating it as need be.

California law with regard to the certification of private school teachers already disagrees with you. And the idea that parents need some kind of formal training is totally absurd. I know people who homeschool. If you're competent enough to get an associate's degree, much less a bachelor's, you're competent enough to homeschool your children, unless you have like twelve of them at once. The resources availble for parents to put together curricula and plan lessons are vast.

While the amount of schooling or training that is needed is up for debate, I don't think you can really say that anybody that has an associate's or bachelor's is competent enough to homeschool their children. The focus should be in the Education field and as we all know you can get an associates or a bachelors without having to take any Education/Child Development/etc. type classes.

If we're going to argue that the presence of some incompetent homeschool teachers, or some bad results among a small fraction of homeschooled invalidates the whole scheme, well I guess we should do with public education too, since it has more than its fair share of incompetent educators and students who don't learn.

Again this has nothing to do with "a small fraction" of incompetent homeschool teachers. First off I'd like to see how you got this "small fraction" and the issue is the fact that the children deserve a quality education. If this is best serviced at the home then fine, but there shouldn't be any complaining about them having to take classes and put themselves in some type of state program. If they are so concerned for their childs education, then I don't see why it would be such a "pain" for them to do something that would benefit them and their children. You would think they would be all for anything that would help their children.

Oh, God, another government program. What, have you socialists figured out a way to make days longer than 24 hours so parents can fit in all this new training? This isn't rocket science. The bar of mental competence isn't that high, and if parents are making the decision to do this in the first place, they already are more motivated to do a good job than a significant fraction of professional educators who just show up to collect a paycheck.

So now we get to the real heart of the issue. Another government program. It's ironic how the repubs are the ones always talking about less government, but they are really the ones that are in favor of more government (patriot acts). Kind of of like how they always say they are the more fiscal responsible ones, but yet are the ones that run up debt like no other and putting our economy in a hole.

And I think it's funny how you've come to the conclusion that since they want to homeschool their children then they will do a better job then a significant fraction of professional educators. Please show me the link to that one as well.

Since California allows referendum, those affected would be negligent not to protect their own interests by getting this on the ballot (Ahnold has already committed to getting this changed). Neither do I think that outside the Bay Area there are all that many Californians opposed to homeschooling, so it's unlikely a ballot initiative to legalize it more explicitly would fail. As I've already mentioned, most people on the left are more in the "whatever, live and let live" category than the "religion is a plague and the state needs to cure it" group.

But I don't have any problem whatsoever with threatening the latter group with physical harm when they actually start acting on those beliefs.

Yes I agree, it probably won't be a problem. Most people are fine with homeschooling and don't see it as a problem. Clarification on what exactly is needed to be certified will be a good thing.

And I really have no idea about this leftist "religion is a plague and the state needs to cure it" group. I honestly think you're a bit delusional and very much paranoid when it comes to this issue.

[Purple & Gold]

I believe that parents should be able to homeschool their children in California without having the credentials that are required of teachers in the state of California. Obviously that requires a change in statute, and the court merely followed the existing statute plus the relevant case law. In addition, I have doubts about the value of those credentials as it relates to an individual's ability to provide quality instruction in a public school.

I'm sure those credentials will be revalued and won't be the same as a teacher needs. A lot of revision and a closer look will be needed with this law.