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    P.S. With regard to Israel being the center of the Bible, go re-read Romans 9-11 and find out who the children of Abraham are.
    i'll have to check it out later. any particular passage?

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    You would figure the Palestinians would have given up trying to launch rockets into Israel by now, since God keeps swatting them all away.

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    Yes, I remember how back in 2001 Muslims conquered the United States.
    that day they sure as did. i think our casualties outweighed theirs about 3000 to none, so i say that was a pretty damn good defeat.

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    You would figure the Palestinians would have given up trying to launch rockets into Israel by now, since God keeps swatting them all away.
    and they wonder why they have no true home.

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    That doesn't surprise me at all. Again, you see what YOU want to see. My point is that I don't see the quilty by association as you do. If the priest of my church gets busted as a pedophile does that condemn me too? You must have been Hannitized.

    That is not even close to being a comparison.

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    i'll have to check it out later. any particular passage?
    The whole thing.

    My paraphrase/synopsis:

    Romans 9

    To you Jewish Christians who are wondering how it could be that most of the Jews rejected Jesus Christ, don't think God was unfaithful to his covenant. Keep in mind that the children of Abraham are those who share his faith in God, not his bloodline. God chose Jacob because he felt like it, not because Jacob was better than Esau. God chose whoever he felt like to work out his salvation plan. He even used the hardness of Pharaoh's heart! So God doesn't owe the Jews salvation simply because they were part of his salvation plan for mankind. The Old Testament already makes clear that Gentiles will be saved, and that only a fraction of the Jews will be. The Gentile Christians have pursued righteousness through faith, while the Jews tried to be righteous by following the law, and therefore failed.

    Romans 10

    Look, I really want the Jews to be saved. They are good pious people. But our teaching is clear: salvation is through faith, and it doesn't matter whether you're Jewish or not. You come to faith by hearing the Gospel and accepting it, and certainly the Jews have heard the Gospel. And they have understood it. But they rejected it, and so God is choosing Gentiles to be part of his chosen people instead. This is all in the Old Testament. Look it up.

    Romans 11

    God has not rejected his people. Just as in the days of Elijah, there was a faithful remnant, so there is now. The rest have fallen away because they have trusted in works rather than grace. But this is not the end for the Jews. Since their failure means that Gentiles now get saved, think how great it will be when Jews become Christians! Think of it like an olive tree in an orchard. The olive tree is Israel. The apostate Jews are like branches that get broken off. The Gentile Christians are like wild shoots that get grafted in. When a Jewish person becomes a Christian, that's like the natural shoot being grafted back into the tree. So for now, most Jews don't accept Christ, but someday that will change. In the meantime, be kind to Jews, even though they reject Christ, because all the faithful forefathers were Jews. Also, you once were disobedient to God, and he showed you mercy, so show mercy to them even though they are being disobedient. Isn't God awesome? Amen.

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    that day they sure as did. i think our casualties outweighed theirs about 3000 to none, so i say that was a pretty damn good defeat.
    I guess we can take the fact that zero Israelis have been killed in terrorist attacks in the past 60 years as proof of prophecy. Give God praise and glory!

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    Reference:

    Romans 9-11

    I didn't read the whole thing, but I believe this is what the false profit that Obama likes is talking about. Not any one particular passage, but what was said to the Roman's.

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    Just wondering how much press it would get if John McCain went to a church whos pastor said "Goddamn our country for letting a black man be a candidate for president"

    He follows the guy for 20 years, and were supposed to believe this pastor just came up with this all of a sudden?

    Makes Mrs. Obama's comments seem all the more like how she wanted em to be.

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    that day they sure as did. i think our casualties outweighed theirs about 3000 to none, so i say that was a pretty damn good defeat.
    Yeah, it's really sucked here being in the Islamic Republic of America. Too bad the Muslims won.

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    Just wondering how much press it would get if John McCain went to a church whos pastor said "Goddamn our country for letting a black man be a candidate for president"

    He follows the guy for 20 years, and were supposed to believe this pastor just came up with this all of a sudden?

    Makes Mrs. Obama's comments seem all the more like how she wanted em to be.
    A lot.

    My hunch is that Obama, rather than being a black nationalist Manchurian candidate, is a cynical Chicago politician who realized that being half-white and raised by whites would make it difficult to get blacks in Chicago to vote for him back when he starting his political career. So, he cozied up to a very black black church that was very black with a black pastor notable for his extreme blackness. Obama then forged a "close" "relationship" to the black pastor notable for his blackly unapologetic black blackness. The last couple years, while black pundits were debating whether Obama was sufficiently black, Obama published a book with a le drawn from one of his black pastor's very black sermons. Clearly, being so close to a man like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama must indeed be very black.

    In the meantime, Obama has been campaigning for President. He needs white people to vote for him. So, on account of his being half-white and raised by whites, he frames himself as the "post-racial" candidate. He is a breath of fresh air, moving past the divisive politics of the past. So now, militant black preacher Jeremiah Wright is just a crazy old uncle who Obama doesn't agree with much, and who is about to retire anyway.

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    That doesn't surprise me at all. Again, you see what YOU want to see. My point is that I don't see the quilty by association as you do. If the priest of my church gets busted as a pedophile does that condemn me too?
    You must have been Hannitized.
    If you knew he was a pedophile and did nothing? Absolutely it condemns you.

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    Off topic a little, does anyone know if John Hagee has a son by the same name who went to John Marshall in the 80s? I remember hearing that name a lot back then and thinking the guy was a football player or something.

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Edwards.

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    Did you expect him not to do this? It was a given.


    I don't believe him though when he says he's never heard him says these things before. BS.

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    Did you expect him not to do this? It was a given.


    I don't believe him though when he says he's never heard him says these things before. BS.
    I don't believe him either. What is surprising is it took so long to draft the reply.

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    A lot.

    My hunch is that Obama, rather than being a black nationalist Manchurian candidate, is a cynical Chicago politician who realized that being half-white and raised by whites would make it difficult to get blacks in Chicago to vote for him back when he starting his political career. So, he cozied up to a very black black church that was very black with a black pastor notable for his extreme blackness. Obama then forged a "close" "relationship" to the black pastor notable for his blackly unapologetic black blackness. The last couple years, while black pundits were debating whether Obama was sufficiently black, Obama published a book with a le drawn from one of his black pastor's very black sermons. Clearly, being so close to a man like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama must indeed be very black.

    In the meantime, Obama has been campaigning for President. He needs white people to vote for him. So, on account of his being half-white and raised by whites, he frames himself as the "post-racial" candidate. He is a breath of fresh air, moving past the divisive politics of the past. So now, militant black preacher Jeremiah Wright is just a crazy old uncle who Obama doesn't agree with much, and who is about to retire anyway.

    It must really suck to be that jaded...... maybe you could use a dose of hope yourself

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    It must really suck to be that jaded...... maybe you could use a dose of hope yourself
    If you think about it, ES' response makes perfect sense. He doesn't have the slave heritage that most black Americans do. He was raised primarily in white households, and never experienced what it is to be raised black.

    Now the black experience is not only skin color. They like to make us believe that, but it is more rooted in the way they are raised. If he didn't embrace the black community some how, he would be dubbed as an "Uncle Tom."

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    There's only one question I have to ask...

    If this were John McCain's pastor, and that pastor were spewing white supremacist rhetoric (instead of anti-semitic, anti-white, anti-American rhetoric)... would John McCain be able to survive having called such a man his "mentor", having been in his church for years, having been married by the man, etc.?

    The answer should be obvious.

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    It must really suck to be that jaded...... maybe you could use a dose of hope yourself
    As Obama was throwing his pastor under the bus, I couldn't help but notice that his mechanics are impeccable. He didn't even graze the bumper.

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    Too bad the clearance under that bus isn't high enough for Hagee.

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    Too bad the clearance under that bus isn't high enough for Hagee.
    I'm not sure Hagee would fit under any of the I-10/410 ramps.

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    Would that necessarily be a bad thing?

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    If you knew he was a pedophile and did nothing? Absolutely it condemns you.
    Like what? Leave the CAtholic Church? My faith is stronger than that.

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