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Well, I meant besides Tim Duncan. This team right now, without Duncan, would at least be decent.
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mings had a better mid-range shot than any big Duncan has ever played with. mings at the level he played at with DRob pre- knee injury would be he best big man Duncan's had since DRob retired. Bag on Rodman but MJ was certainly able to get something out of him. And as I re-call a guy named Elliott was a pretty fair defender and could knock down an outside shot. Parker isn't exactly a stud at outside shooting. Apart from Ginobilli who's been with the Spurs half Duncan's career and a French kid who Duncan raised the Spurs have built a bunch of journeymen, over the hills and one hit wonders around Duncan like Kerr, Finley, Barry, Rasho, Nazr, Jackson, Nazr, Hedo, Speedy, Vaughn. etc., etc., etc.. Duncan's greatness has put those banners up. I'm not ragging on DRob, he was a great player but Duncan had/has more metal.
Well, I meant besides Tim Duncan. This team right now, without Duncan, would at least be decent.
No it wouldn't. Without Duncan it wouldn't come close to making the playoffs. , this year even with Duncan it's having a fight to make the playoffs in the West. Without Duncan Parker and Ginobilli would be so gassed they'd be on life support.
I don't think they'd make the playoff in the west this year, but they would probably be around .500, not the 3rd worst team in the NBA.
Without Duncan this team ripped off a 15-6 record a couple of years ago and became the first team in NBA history to win back to back double OT games.
And btw pic...I notice you left Horry out of that equation....
TC was a stud I said so...but as Duncan and Robinson proved, you need outside shooting...
And Rodman was not an offensive player of any sort.
Jordan got something out of it?
Jordan's team nearly made the NBA finals without him, taking the eventual finalists to 7 games.
DRob's team posted the biggest negative single season turnarounde in NBA history.
And I'd have taken Scottie over Rodman or mings...or Vinny.
You really want to get into this pic, because I can easily tear this argument to shreds...about whose teams performed better without them....you will lose and you will lose badly.
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I don't think there has ever been an NBA champion in NBA history that was not at least a playoff team without it's best player...and this includes any and all Spurs teams. I do not think it is possible for one player to turn a lottery team into an NBA champion...
A big man rotation of Oberto, Horry, Bonner and Elson for the season. Good luck with that.
I hate to break it to you guys...
But Tony? He has a finals MVP.
Manu? Some people are saying he is the MVP this season. I mean he just kicked LeBron's ass off the court a few weeks ago.
Did Manu, or did Manu not, beat Tim Duncan in the Olympics a few years ago?
Not even close to AJ and Vinny...and it matters.
Like I said earlier...maybe some of you people will realize it when they are in the HOF...along with Pop.
The 2003 team was not likely to make the playoffs if Timmy did not post his MVP championship year. Tony, was all over the place, Manu was like an experiment who knew if he would work out, Jackson was good but inconsistant and D-Rob was on his last legs. Yes Duncan has had some better players but those players did not start doing much of anything until the le of 2005. most people thought Tony finally earned his stripes just last year by finally playing well in the finals.
You mean Horry that put a ring on Duncan's finger and finals MVP in his hand with a game 5 in Detroit a couple of years ago?
The same Horry that has 7 rings?
I know you don't mean that Horry...he's good, just ask the coach of your team.
ask Tim Duncan...he's only been here for 5 years.
Horry is so good, he held Amare Stoudamire and Boris Diaw scoreless...in the same game. It mattered...
So just to put a final stamp on this, who is better all time for you Duncan or D-Rob?? About the Same, or does D-Rob mow Duncan down??
Horry has had to be nursed through every season. He was so burned out that the Lakers dumped him.
Go back and watch the Orlando - Magic series. It was Rodman controlling Shaq. Here's a little reminder in case you forgot. DRob couldn't get it out of Rodman but I'll bet Duncan could have.
These last 2 years, Manu and Tony have carried more of the offense than Duncan. During the rodeo trip, Manu carried the whole team while Parker was out. When Duncan went out, Manu scored 37 points in back to back games before he got injured. When you consider that Parker is just barely getting back to normal, this team would definitely be at least a .500 team without Duncan.
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They might be .500 now but back in say 2002 and 2003 they would have been garbage without Tim.
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Yeah Horry's been tearing it up this year. He's been a role player in a big man rotation every year. He's had good games. He's hit clutch shots but don't insult us by saying his level of play was on par with what mings brought the first few years he was with the Spurs. It was DRob that gave him the opportunity to make clutch plays just like it was Hakeem's and Shaq's before Duncan.
I see...and how'd that turn out for the Lakers?
Hmm...since Duncan's coach, is the guy who kicked Rodman's ass out of town...I doubt very seriously he'd have gotten the chance.
Go back and watch the Orlando - Magic series. It was Rodman controlling Shaq. Here's a little reminder in case you forgot. DRob couldn't get it out of Rodman but I'll bet Duncan could have.
And I agree...it might have been nice to see Rodman get minutes on Hakeem...
Unfortunately that HOF Level ROOKIE coach DRob had...Bob Hill, didn't see fit to attempt that, and instead asked David Robinson to carry the offense and the defense, agaisnt the defending NBA champions...something Duncan has yet to have to do for anything other than spot minutes.
Yeah thought through using the troll guidebook 101.
Manu can carry the team for about four games then he needs to go on a respirator for about three weeks.
I voted before reading all the posts and I voted as a fan, so I voted for Tim Duncan. But after reading all the arguments I have to recognize the fact that David would probably win most of the time in a 1 on 1 game.
But I would still take Duncan in a NBA game (and in video games).
That said, I think it's sad that some Spurs fans doesn't value everything that David Robinson represented to the Spurs and to the NBA. I didn't see him playing on his prime, but just by watching some videos I know how amazing he was.
And it's also a bad thing the fact that some people try to make it look like David was incredibly superior to Duncan and Duncan is just luckier in his career.
I don't devalue David i think he was great just feel that Duncan is better is all. The dream would have been to see them both in their primes for a decade. They would have won probably 8 les together easy, the league would have been all there's to own.I voted before reading all the posts and I voted as a fan, so I voted for Tim Duncan. But after reading all the arguments I have to recognize the fact that David would probably win most of the time in a 1 on 1 game.
But I would still take Duncan in a NBA game (and in video games
That said, I think it's sad that some Spurs fans doesn't value everything that David Robinson represented to the Spurs and to the NBA. I didn't see him playing on his prime, but just by watching some videos I know how amazing he was.
And it's also a bad thing the fact that some people try to make it look like David was incredibly superior to Duncan and Duncan is just luckier in his career.
Manu carried the team for the entire month of February. The only time he's been exhausted this season was during that ridiculous 8 games in 11 days streak when the whole team was tired.
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