Mavs @ Blazers Game Thread

[san antonio spurs]

I see only Rox fans complained about my last post. I would give them more credit, but only if I see Yao and TMac healthy together.

I assume that rox fans being new here are not aware of your great bold predictions.
I guess everybody found your prediction cute and just ignored it.

[Shank]

Kidd is not a true point guard by my definition.

Holy ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! You just prove yourself to be more and more of an idiot every time you post crap like this.

Seriously, do us all a favor and stop pretending like you know anything about the Mavericks or basketball and have yourself a KFC bowl.

[Obstructed_View]

Did you read the rest of my post? It was not meant to be taken out of context as a stand alone quote. Shooting (or slashing) is equally important as the passing.

Sorry, but there's no context where that isn't a stupid statement. I think the Kidd trade was terrible for the Mavs, but Kidd's still a top five point guard in this league.

[ElNono]

Sorry, but there's no context where that isn't a stupid statement. I think the Kidd trade was terrible for the Mavs, but Kidd's still a top five point guard in this league.

No way. 3 years ago? Maybe.
I would put these guys before him nowadays (in no particular order):
- Tony Parker
- Deron Williams
- CP3
- B Diddy
- AI
- Billups

And whether he's above or below Nash is debatable in that Nash can't guard anybody but it's a much superior offensive force.

[mavsfan1000]

Holy ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! You just prove yourself to be more and more of an idiot every time you post crap like this.

Seriously, do us all a favor and stop pretending like you know anything about the Mavericks or basketball and have yourself a KFC bowl.

Just look at our record with Harris and our record with Kidd you homer. Quite a difference there

[The Nba Is Rigged]

You guys need to stop dissing Mavsfan1000, I don't know if I'm right or not but when he said that "Kidd isn't a true Pg" you guys misunderstood him. There are things that Kidd does that is different from most Pg's, he can post up smaller guards, he can't shoot like a regular Pg, he has the strength of a Sf, and he plays the passing lanes like a swingman. It is because of those things that Mavsfan1000 probably said he isn't a true Pg, but he was wrong. Kidd is a true Pg but he is a very different kind of Pg, one with a weak aspect of his game but many other strong aspects which makes him a hall of famer. No need to hate a fellow Mavs fan...

[mavsfan1000]

You guys need to stop dissing Mavsfan1000, I don't know if I'm right or not but when he said that "Kidd isn't a true Pg" you guys misunderstood him. There are things that Kidd does that is different from most Pg's, he can post up smaller guards, he can't shoot like a regular Pg, he has the strength of a Sf, and he plays the passing lanes like a swingman. It is because of those things that Mavsfan1000 probably said he isn't a true Pg, but he was wrong. Kidd is a true Pg but he is a very different kind of Pg, one with a weak aspect of his game but many other strong aspects which makes him a hall of famer. No need to hate a fellow Mavs fan...

Thanks man. When I think of a true point guard, I think a point guard that makes the team better in the halfcourt as well as the fastbreak. We all know that Kidd is great on the fastbreak but the halfcourt part is more questionable. I think to be considered a true point guard, you need to be able to be a threat offensively. Kidd in his day could take players off the dribble and be more of a threat offensively which allowed to be more of a true point guard. These days, he just waits around the 3 point line passing the ball. I don't consider that enough to be considered a true point guard late in his career. The offense still gets stagnant. Like I said, I think Nash and Paul are true point guards as they are great in the halfcourt.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Thanks man. When I think of a true point guard, I think a point guard that makes the team better in the halfcourt as well as the fastbreak. We all know that Kidd is great on the fastbreak but the halfcourt part is more questionable. I think to be considered a true point guard, you need to be able to be a threat offensively. Kidd in his day could take players off the dribble and be more of a threat offensively which allowed to be more of a true point guard. These days, he just waits around the 3 point line passing the ball. I don't consider that enough to be considered a true point guard late in his career. The offense still gets stagnant. Like I said, I think Nash and Paul are true point guards as they are great in the halfcourt.

He's still a true point guard though imo, as long as he can still run the team even though he can't score much he is still a true point guard. If Avery could get Kidd to post up more we would be fine.

[DaDakota]

Mavsfan1k,

A lot of people agree with you about the Kidd/Harris trade.

At the end of the day if Dallas doesn't win it this year or next, it will be a bad trade.

DD

[Indazone]

Thanks man. When I think of a true point guard, I think a point guard that makes the team better in the halfcourt as well as the fastbreak. We all know that Kidd is great on the fastbreak but the halfcourt part is more questionable. I think to be considered a true point guard, you need to be able to be a threat offensively. Kidd in his day could take players off the dribble and be more of a threat offensively which allowed to be more of a true point guard. These days, he just waits around the 3 point line passing the ball. I don't consider that enough to be considered a true point guard late in his career. The offense still gets stagnant. Like I said, I think Nash and Paul are true point guards as they are great in the halfcourt.

Kidd plays this way cause he has a moron at Head Coach named Avery Johnson. He will always put up better stats in NJ because the way that offense ran. With AJ, forgetabou . This is equivalent to JVG asking Spanoulis to be a spot up jump shooter last year.

[Findog]

No way. 3 years ago? Maybe.
I would put these guys before him nowadays (in no particular order):
- Tony Parker
- Deron Williams
- CP3
- B Diddy
- AI
- Billups

And whether he's above or below Nash is debatable in that Nash can't guard anybody but it's a much superior offensive force.

Haha, in what universe is AI better than Kidd?

[Findog]

Just look at our record with Harris and our record with Kidd you homer. Quite a difference there

There's no way you can attribute that solely to Harris and Kidd.

[mavsfan1000]

Haha, in what universe is AI better than Kidd?

[Shank]

Just look at our record with Harris and our record with Kidd you homer. Quite a difference there

Right. So records with certain players determine whether or not a guy is an actual point guard or not? That makes perfect sense.

And you think Devin Harris IS a point guard, then? He should have been a change of pace at the 2 position while in Dallas. He wasn't even a PG in college.

Again. You're an idiot. The more you post, the more evident this is.

[td4mvp21]

Kidd's a HOF true pg. I do think the Mavs were better with their old team though.

[mavsfan1000]

There's no way you can attribute that solely to Harris and Kidd.

Harris had a plus 2 higher ratio than what Kidd has now in plus/minus statistically. That is just one reason but as I pointed before, there is a big difference between having Diop as the backup center and having Bass/Allen/Juwan Howard as the backup center. So we got hurt in 2 positions is why we aren't as good now.

[Findog]

Like I said, I think Nash and Paul are true point guards as they are great in the halfcourt.

Well, Nash certainly did whatever he wanted against Kidd last Sunday.




I mean, we shouldn't care that our defense is BETTER since Kidd has arrived.

[mavsfan1000]

Right. So records with certain players determine whether or not a guy is an actual point guard or not? That makes perfect sense.

And you think Devin Harris IS a point guard, then? He should have been a change of pace at the 2 position while in Dallas. He wasn't even a PG in college.

Again. You're an idiot. The more you post, the more evident this is.

Look who's the idiot now. Harris can play both positions on offense but Harris as a 2 in the pro level, will get overpowered consistently. He plays just like Tony Parker. I guess you don't think much of Parker either. Go back in your s and stop bothering me with your stupidity.

[mavsfan1000]

Well, Nash certainly did whatever he wanted against Kidd last Sunday.




I mean, we shouldn't care that our defense is BETTER since Kidd has arrived.

Yeah our defense was really great against Portland. 37-21 after the first quarter and Kidd was out there the whole time.

[Findog]

Harris had a plus 2 higher ratio than what Kidd has now in plus/minus statistically. That is just one reason but as I pointed before, there is a big difference between having Diop as the backup center and having Bass/Allen/Juwan Howard as the backup center. So we got hurt in 2 positions is why we aren't as good now.

Changing starting PGs is like changing starting quarterbacks. It affects everything. Throw in the injuries and the fact that almost all of those games against elite teams went to the wire and I'm not concerned at all.

Not a surprise you can't see it with your own eyes, you must be just monitoring the box scores instead of watching the games.

[mavsfan1000]

Changing starting PGs is like changing starting quarterbacks. It affects everything. Throw in the injuries and the fact that almost all of those games against elite teams went to the wire and I'm not concerned at all.

Not a surprise you can't see it with your own eyes, you must be just monitoring the box scores instead of watching the games.

This team isn't built properly around Kidd. You need slashers for Kidd to be used properly. Everything is a jump shot and the percentages aren't going to be that high. No slashers equal first round exit.

[Findog]

Yeah our defense was really great against Portland. 37-21 after the first quarter and Kidd was out there the whole time.

And they held San Antonio to 97 and 87, LA to 93 in regulation, Golden State to 86, Phoenix to 98. Need I go on or do you just want to cherrypick one single quarter? The Blazers shot 58% last night. One would think they scored 120 instead of 106.

You're hopeless.

[Findog]

This team isn't built properly around Kidd. You need slashers for Kidd to be used properly. Everything is a jump shot and the percentages aren't going to be that high. No slashers equal first round exit.

Which is why you throw Kidd under the bus for the entire team's problems. This team wasn't going anywhere with Devin, the offense bogged down into iso crap late in games. Kidd is better than Harris. It doesn't guarantee anything other than we are a better team after the trade.

[td4mvp21]

And they held San Antonio to 97 and 87, LA to 93 in regulation, Golden State to 86, Phoenix to 98. Need I go on or do you just want to cherrypick one single quarter? The Blazers shot 58% last night. One would think they scored 120 instead of 106.

You're hopeless.

No, the Mavs allowed the Spurs to score 88, not 87. So they aren't that great defensively.

[mavsfan1000]

And they held San Antonio to 97 and 87, LA to 93 in regulation, Golden State to 86, Phoenix to 98. Need I go on or do you just want to cherrypick one single quarter? The Blazers shot 58% last night. One would think they scored 120 instead of 106.

You're hopeless.

This team is worse defensively. I don't care about the scrubs we blew on that meaningless 5 game win streak. Without that streak, it gets pretty embarrassing. 108 points it was btw. It's having Bass at center that hurt us the most. Kidd is about equal to Harris on defense and both have their matchup problems occassionally.