When you are grading players head up, a role player is never better than a complete player. When you build a team you need role players b/c a team will fail w/o them. Of course Rod is better now, Pau hasn't finished his career yet. All that page ago quote shows is the potential for Pau. Also, I don't care who takes offense, none, all those players are Second tier players, PERIOD. All of them are Role players. If he's the best role player ever it doesn't matter b/c he's still a role player. About this Malone statement lol Malone wouldn't be on my twelve man team. SORRY
Nice picture BTWNot true. I'd rather have plenty of defensive guys, Battier, Artest, Bowen, etc over many so-called franchise stars Vince, Gilbert, Baron Davis.
I think Mike Miller, a still good Jason Williams and Bonzi Wells, Shane Battier and James Posey take offense.
Probably the best "role player" ever.
If it comes down to a sub-par star who will never carry a team past the 1st round, or the best role player ever, I'm taking Rodman, I don't care who else is on the team.
Nuff said-
Mine either, but in 1997 and 1998 Karl Malone was playing the PF as well as anyone who's ever played it. He may not have the rings or entire career to back it up, but in those two seasons Malone was as good at PF as anyone has ever been... and quite often during those seasons, Rodman ed. him. up.
Balli and stretch, you guys clearly get basketball. Spur-Addict, quit embarrassing yourself.
One of the things I hate when discussing sports is people who only look at stats and box scores. Anyone who watched Rodman play can see the value in having him on your team. I'm surprised that Spur fan doesn't see this when he has Bruce Bowen on his team. Bowen's stats aren't very impressive, but clearly his impact is huge and has allowed the Spurs to win many championships.
You hit the nail right on the head. Bruce Bowen is a PERFECT example. In fact, I can't remember who, I think it was Kori, who a year or so ago posted that Bruce Bowen is arguably the second most important player on the Spurs, a point that I personally had thought for a while myself. The value those kinds of players have is much greater than people realize. Most people just see points as the only sign of value, when it is simply not true at all.
Well, there's no debating the skill of Karl Malone. I never liked his game, especially in the years of his prime b/c he took alot of jump shots. But, Rodman can't guard any of the bigs on my 12 man roster. Off hand I can't state the stats of the back to back finals for Malone. If I could I would, either way it's fine.
1.) Duncan 2.) Shaq 3.) Hakeem 4.) Kareem<<<<<Who can he guard here? Since he's starting and I can pretty much interchange the bigs.
5.) Bird 6.) Pippen 7.) Jordan 8.) Dr. J
9.) Isiah 10.) Pistol Pete 11.) Oscar Robertson
12.) Ice Man
Rodman is a Spur you genius. We're talking individual players not additions to teams that round them off. Evaluate them individually and tell me what's the honest truth. If you think Rodman can lead a team to the playoffs in the NBA you're crazy. Put those same players around Rodman and you come up with lint.
Great players, tremendous value. Only when they are added to a team will they maximize there effectiveness. Where a great player can maximize his effectiveness with or without a team.
Which is what 3 consecutive first-round sweeps amounts to as well.
Kinda like Gasol did, when added to the Lakers?
Getting to the playoffs is an achievement, go ask the Hawks. Of course you want more, but, you have to start somewhere.
Kinda like Rodman on the Bulls? Only difference is, Gasol can lead his team to the playoffs, where Rodman cannot. HUGE DIFFERENCE, if you can't see this then I don't know what else to tell you.
Here's a question for you, If Kobe gets hurt, who would give the lakers the better shot at winning the le? Gasol or Rodman?
Those are all centers. I can't tell you who he'd guard out of them, because it's a ridiculous question. In any event, he'd still do a better job against them than Gasol would. (even though he wouldn't be on Shaq, Hakeem or Kareem particularly, in a million years.
In 1987 Boston beat Detroit, but Rodman ed with Bird for the entire series and it is the precise time and event when Dennis Rodman made a name for himself.
But in answer to your question, yes, Larry Bird and Jordan were better than Rodman. That doesn't mean Pau Gasol is.
Those are all PGs. When listing players Rodman can't defend why did you put together a 11 man team with three pg's, 4 of the most talented sg/sfs, 4 centers and 0 PF's?
It's a moot point. Gasol would never lead them to a le. Ever.
I'm only talking about the Bigs, I put the rest of the list out for viewing pleasure.
Okay. Why would 6'8" Dennis Rodman be expected to guard Shaq, Kareem or Hakeem?
Moot Point? Seems like a fine question to me. Alright Brotha. It's been great, I on the other hand have to go. I will be back a bit later though. Hopefully by then you'll see.
Just strip them down, head up, Gasol can take a team to the plaoffs where Rodman cannot. To me, if you can do that in this league, and someone else can't then you are better.
If you are building a house do you want a carpenter only? Or, someone who can do the plumbing, electrical work as well as some masonry?
I personally want to watch some tv, be able to release my bowels and be grateful for my well carved interior. You on the other hand only wish to live in a wood box, release your bowels outback and play board games all day.
Catch you guys later.
Rodman is a PF, so is Tim. Hakeem was practically a PF by his body and performance style that's why he's interchangeable...Laterrrrrrrrrrrr Brooooo
They wouldn't have a chance, regardless, so it really doesn't matter.
i do see that. but it doesnt really make him a better role player.
No, it makes him the better player.
With Rodman as the defender, Lebron would turn into Queen James
Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen. Who would be more suited as a role player though?
Scottie Pippen.
Fail.
Jordan is justified in anything he said. He actually led his team to 6 championships.
Kobe has never led a team to . And if he wins one this year, he is still 5 behind.
Plus Jordan never raped anyone.
Neither did Kobe.
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