When is hip hop going to die?

[monosylab1k]

50 years ago, those artist had real talent.

try writing a rap song some time. Make a beat, hook, verses, etc. Then release it to the public and rake in the money, if it's so easy.

Not saying alot of rap doesn't suck, but there is not a more ignorant statement about music than "rapping requires no talent"

[monosylab1k]

Cash was singing about the misery of being in prison. There was regret in his song. There was a sense of a longing to be free.

What's funny is Johnny Cash was never in prison and never lived the life he was singing about. Kind of like the majority of rap stars.

Rap is all about how great prison life is and how many people you're going to kill today.

Uhh she said to him
I want you to be a father
He's your little boy
And you don't even bother, like
Brother without the R
And he's starting to harbor
Cool on food for thought
But for you he's a starver
Starting to use red markers on his work
His teacher says he knows he's much smarter
But he's hurt
Used to hand his homework in first
Like he was the classroom starter
Burst to tears let him know she sees us
Now he's fighting in class
Got a note last week that said he might not pass
Asked me if his daddy was sick of us
Cause you ain't never pick him up
Ya see what his problem is
He don't know where his poppa is
No positive male role model
To play football and build railroad models
He's making a hole and you've been diggin' it
Cause you ain't been kicking it
Since he was old enough to hold bottles
He wasn't supposed to get introduced to that
He don't deserve to get used to that
Now I ain't asking you for money or to come back to me
some days it ain't sunny but it ain't so hard
Just breaks my heart
When I try to provide
And he says mommy that ain't your job
To be a man
I tried to make him understand
That I'm his number one fan
But it's like he won from the stands
You know the world is out to get him
So why don't you give him a chance
It's like..

[Chorus:]
I can't, I won't, I can't, I won't let you
Leave...(now, now)
I don't know what, you want, you want, want from
Me...(what you want from me)

[Verse 2:]
Uhh he said to him
I want you to be a father
I'm your little boy
And you don't even bother, like
Brother without the R
And I'm starting to harbor
Cool on food for thought
But for you, I'm a starver
Starting to use red markers on my work
My teacher says they know I'm much smarter
But I'm hurt
I used to hand my homework in first
Like I was the classroom starter
Burst to tears let him know he sees us
Now I'm fighting in class
Got a note last week that say I might not pass
Kids asked me if my daddy was sick of us
Cause he ain't never pick me up
Ya see what my problem is
That I don't know where me poppa is
No positive male role model
To play football and build railroad models
He's making a hole and you've been diggin' it
Cause you ain't been kicking it
Since I was old enough to hold bottles
Wasn't supposed to get introduced to that
I don't deserve to get used to that
Now I ain't asking you for money or to come back to me
some days it ain't sunny but it ain't so hard
Just breaks my heart
When my momma try to provide
And I tell her "that ain't your job"
To be a man
She tried to make me understand
That she's my number one fan
But it's like he won from the stands
You know the world is out to get me
So why don't you give me a chance


Here's the song "He Said She Said" by Lupe Fiasco. I always thought it was about a mother & her son lamenting the absence of the boy's father in his life, making a positive statement for fathers to understand the consequences of their actions and be more active in the life of their kids, but apparently I was wrong. Peewee just informed me that rap is all about glorifying prison life and killing es and . So read those lyrics and drink in the negativity!

[Supreme_Being]

I'd have to say Eminem's good, though.

[O-Factor]

Pretty sure rock n roll didn't glorify killing people.

Or calling women s, er wait, excuse me...."hos"

[Supreme_Being]

Anyone here listen to classical pop? It's also been taking a dive. Andrea Bocelli is now starting to become an Italian Michael Buble. Josh Groban is talentless, Il Divo is just a boyband that sings in Italian (but Carlos definitely has talent). Oh and Michael Buble is just same old same old.

[Supreme_Being]

try writing a rap song some time. Make a beat, hook, verses, etc. Then release it to the public and rake in the money, if it's so easy.

Not saying alot of rap doesn't suck, but there is not a more ignorant statement about music than "rapping requires no talent"

Rapping takes a bit of talent, if that will make you feel better.

[O-Factor]

Worse than lil wayne.




Your rhymes were weak and we never heard your sound.


An Ode to Automator



"Who fuses the music
With no illusions
Producing the blue prints
Clueless?
Automator - defy the laws of nature
Electronic monolith throw a jam upon the disc
The futuristic looper with the quickness
Hyper-producin' hydrogen fusion liquids keep your distance

First we coerce your brain patterns
Collaborate with time-consumin' re-programin'
I apply the flow cannon, the combo so slamin
Automically reconstruct the old canvas
His logic impress, a hypnotic effect
Ya latin patent you could call it a gift
Man he all in the mix nuclear physicist
Geneticlly taylored every bit of this stimulus

Psyonically bionically forget how you feel
Especially formulated the rest of you fornicated
It takes more to make this
He juggles variables
Unparreled propulsion to carry the load
Nueral surgeon the purest virgin conducting currents
Musical merlin he shines like sterling
Watch the Automator draw laser of a higher intensity
And instantly miss a beat create a symphony

Hey I know now, I know now repeat
Automator's on the planet earth
and he's gonna stop the war of the worlds
Deltron Zero is here as well take the cut for real
He told y'all evil do'ers he is
truly gifted in the matters of rhythm
Ya you got to give him that
In his infnite wisdom you know you got to get with him"

There is a BIG difference between rappers like Del and Soldier Boy

[peewee's lovechild]

try writing a rap song some time. Make a beat, hook, verses, etc. Then release it to the public and rake in the money, if it's so easy.

Not saying alot of rap doesn't suck, but there is not a more ignorant statement about music than "rapping requires no talent"

You mean elementary ryhmes, sampling previous songs, and putting it all in a loop.

That's hard.

But, I'm not black and I don't own any hand guns.
So, it wouldn't work out for me because I don't have the image.

[peewee's lovechild]

What's funny is Johnny Cash was never in prison and never lived the life he was singing about. Kind of like the majority of rap stars.



Uhh she said to him
I want you to be a father
He's your little boy
And you don't even bother, like
Brother without the R
And he's starting to harbor
Cool on food for thought
But for you he's a starver
Starting to use red markers on his work
His teacher says he knows he's much smarter
But he's hurt
Used to hand his homework in first
Like he was the classroom starter
Burst to tears let him know she sees us
Now he's fighting in class
Got a note last week that said he might not pass
Asked me if his daddy was sick of us
Cause you ain't never pick him up
Ya see what his problem is
He don't know where his poppa is
No positive male role model
To play football and build railroad models
He's making a hole and you've been diggin' it
Cause you ain't been kicking it
Since he was old enough to hold bottles
He wasn't supposed to get introduced to that
He don't deserve to get used to that
Now I ain't asking you for money or to come back to me
some days it ain't sunny but it ain't so hard
Just breaks my heart
When I try to provide
And he says mommy that ain't your job
To be a man
I tried to make him understand
That I'm his number one fan
But it's like he won from the stands
You know the world is out to get him
So why don't you give him a chance
It's like..

[Chorus:]
I can't, I won't, I can't, I won't let you
Leave...(now, now)
I don't know what, you want, you want, want from
Me...(what you want from me)

[Verse 2:]
Uhh he said to him
I want you to be a father
I'm your little boy
And you don't even bother, like
Brother without the R
And I'm starting to harbor
Cool on food for thought
But for you, I'm a starver
Starting to use red markers on my work
My teacher says they know I'm much smarter
But I'm hurt
I used to hand my homework in first
Like I was the classroom starter
Burst to tears let him know he sees us
Now I'm fighting in class
Got a note last week that say I might not pass
Kids asked me if my daddy was sick of us
Cause he ain't never pick me up
Ya see what my problem is
That I don't know where me poppa is
No positive male role model
To play football and build railroad models
He's making a hole and you've been diggin' it
Cause you ain't been kicking it
Since I was old enough to hold bottles
Wasn't supposed to get introduced to that
I don't deserve to get used to that
Now I ain't asking you for money or to come back to me
some days it ain't sunny but it ain't so hard
Just breaks my heart
When my momma try to provide
And I tell her "that ain't your job"
To be a man
She tried to make me understand
That she's my number one fan
But it's like he won from the stands
You know the world is out to get me
So why don't you give me a chance


Here's the song "He Said She Said" by Lupe Fiasco. I always thought it was about a mother & her son lamenting the absence of the boy's father in his life, making a positive statement for fathers to understand the consequences of their actions and be more active in the life of their kids, but apparently I was wrong. Peewee just informed me that rap is all about glorifying prison life and killing es and . So read those lyrics and drink in the negativity!

This one song represents the rap genre?

Hey, since you're into positive rap and what not, are you a huge Will Smith fan?

[monosylab1k]

Or calling women s, er wait, excuse me...."hos"

yeah no rock music has ever said anything negative about women.

http://www.debased.com/content/music...drix-woke.html

"The music contained herein has been left as it was that night at Scene Club - rough, but with the raw dynamism of Jimi's guitar to the fore. Extolling the licks of his mentors - the Delta Blues and Alberts' King and Collins. Also present is Jim Morrison, cavorting about the stage exceedingly drunk and happy, much to the bemusement of everyone!"
Liner notes for Red Lightnin release Jimi Hendrix - Woke up this morning and found myself dead

Jimi Hendrix recordings, before his family gained rights to his catalogue, were treated like Italian horror movies in the 80's video boom. The same songs and recordings were constantly repackaged using different names and designs. Avid Hendrix fans would find themselves picking up records, CD's, and tapes hoping they stumbled upon a recording they never heard only to be inevitably disappointed - the ing song you thought you've never heard wound up being a song you had ten copies of. Just like the films of Fulci, Argento, Lenzi, etc.,there was a entire market for cheaply transferred, re- led songs.

If you're a big time Hendrix fan you probably posses most of the recordings from Red Lightnin's Woke up this morning and found myself dead - Red House, Wake up this morning, Bleeding Heart, and Sunshine of Your Love are available from numerous sources so when I picked up this CD I wasn't expecting anything new. Alas! Red Lightnin's release features an incredibly drunk, filthy mouthed Jim Morrison! Edited out of my other collections this is truly a bizarre little nugget.

Hendrix is tearing up on Bleeding Heart when Morrison grabs the microphone and begins rambling "all night long. I've got a lovely woman... sing my song.." This is followed by a low moan "bbbwwwwaaaaaa." Soon Morrison breaks into a bizarre tirade ... "suck my ass baby ... me all night long!"

Hendrix then begins tearing through "Morrison's Lament," with Jim singing to an angry sounding crowd. " her in the ass! her in the favorite!" When Morrison begins drifting away from the mic Hendrix politely, and with a laugh, explains to Jim - "sing in that on right there. That's the recording mic." Morrison follows his directions and belts out - " her in the asshole ... my little woman ... in her little pussy ... little suck ass ... ... little asshole ... you in the ass, my little suck ass ."

Hendrix could care less as he works away in a frenzy. A really bizarre recording! One part Hendrix at his raw best - one part insulting drunk debauchery. Recorded in 1968 - check it out!

[peewee's lovechild]

A more famous rapper:

"Serial Killa"
(feat. Kurupt, Daz, RBX)

Six million ways to die, choose one

[Verse One: Kurupt, Daz]

It's time to escape, but I don't know where the i'm headed
Up or down, right or left, life or death
I see myself in a mist of smoke
Death becomes any that takes me for a joke
We hit a five dollar stick, now we puttin in work
Unaccountable amounts of dirt, death becomes all z
anybody killa, you know what the deal is
, you know what the real is

I see some mark brand z on the corner flaggin me down
Sayin, "Yo Daz, what's up with the Pound?
Is that snoop alright? Aiyyo what's up with the crew?
Is them z in jail, or are them z through?"
i said, if you ain't up on thangs
Snoop Dogg is the name, Dogg Pound's the game
It's like this they don't understand
It's an everyday thang, to gangbang
Make that twist, don't be a , let these z know
What's up with you I represent the Pound and Death Row
And can't no other mother er in L.A. or Long Beach
and Compton, and Watts, see D-O-G's
Now, you can't come and you can't run, and you can't
see long to the G of the gang
One gun is all that we need, to put you to rest
Pump pump, put 2 slugs dead in your chest
Now you dead then a mother er, creepin and sleepin
6 feet deep in, in with the Pound is

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

[Verse Two: Snoop Doggy Dogg]

The cloud becomes black, and the sky becomes blue
Now you in the midst of the Dogg Pound crew
Ain't no clue, on why the we do what we do
Leave you in a state of paranoia, oooh
Don't make a move for your gat so soon cuz
I drops bombs like Platoon (ay )
Walk with me, hold my hand and let me lead you
I'll take you on a journey, and I promise I won't leave you
(I won't leave you) until you get the full comprehension
And when you do, that's when the mission
or survival, becomes your every thought
Keep your eyes open, cuz you don't wanna be caught
Half steppin with your weapon on safety
Now break yourself mother er 'fore you make me
take this 211 to another level
I come up with your ends, you go down with the devil
Now roam through the depths of
Where the rest your buster ass homeboys dwell
Well...

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

Now tell me, what's my mother in name
Serial killa, serial killa, serial killa

(Wake up in the morning, to Lucky Charms cereal)

[Verse Three: RBX]

Deep, deep like the mind of Minolta, now picture this!
Let's picnic inside a morgue
Not pic-a-nic baskets, pic-a-nic caskets
And I got the machine, that cracks your in chest plates
open and release them guts
Then I release def cutsBrutal, jagged edged, totally ruffneck
Now everybody scream nuff respect to the X
Nuff respect given
Disrespect and you will not be livin
Word to momma, Emma, drama, dilemma

[RBX] Suicide, it's a suicide [4X]

Now tell me, what's my mother in name
Serial killa, serial killa, serial killa

(Wake up in the morning, to Lucky Charms cereal

[monosylab1k]

This one song represents the rap genre?

You had no problem generalizing the entire rap genre to being about glorifying prison life and killing hos. There's plenty of rap that isn't about that, that also isn't Will Smith pop rap. God damn peewee you are so ing ignorant it's painful.

[Extra Stout]

Rock-and-roll died back in 1998.

With hip-hop/rap it's the same as most genres. The stuff that is artistically significant is not the stuff the sells. Mindless dreck sells.

[monosylab1k]

Rock-and-roll died back in 1998.

With hip-hop/rap it's the same as most genres. The stuff that is artistically significant is not the stuff the sells. Mindless dreck sells.

thank you

[peewee's lovechild]

You had no problem generalizing the entire rap genre to being about glorifying prison life and killing hos. There's plenty of rap that isn't about that, that also isn't Will Smith pop rap. God damn peewee you are so ing ignorant it's painful.

For every one clean rapper that you can put down, there are hundreds of others that glorify the thug life.

You're not getting that.

It's painful that you're this ignorant.

Now, you posted lyrics by Lupe Fiasco. I posted lyrics by Snoop Dogg.
Who would you say has more influence?

I'll await your answer.

[monosylab1k]

For every one clean rapper that you can put down, there are hundreds of others that glorify the thug life.

I never said there wasn't. You were the one that said all rap had a negative message. I'm glad now you can admit that you were 100% wrong on that. I appreciate it.

Now, you posted lyrics by Lupe Fiasco. I posted lyrics by Snoop Dogg. Who would you say has more influence?

Parents have more influence than either. If parents gave a , they'd teach their kids not to act out just cuz Snoop Dogg tells them to. If you're letting Snoop Dogg raise you're kids then you're a ty parent.

[peewee's lovechild]

I never said there wasn't. You were the one that said all rap had a negative message. I'm glad now you can admit that you were 100% wrong on that. I appreciate it.

Admit that what?

That most rap glorifies the thug life?

Parents have more influence than either. If parents gave a , they'd teach their kids not to act out just cuz Snoop Dogg tells them to. If you're letting Snoop Dogg raise you're kids then you're a ty parent.

You didn't answer the question.

[monosylab1k]

Admit that what?

That most rap glorifies the thug life?

First it was "all", now it's "most". It's good to see you backtracking.

You didn't answer the question.

Lupe Fiasco has more influence. Nobody takes Snoop Dogg seriously.

[J.T.]

I'm going to have a KFC bowl for lunch for starting this thread.

That last one TSA posted wasn't bad.

I lose.

[Oh, Gee!!]

"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"

pretty sure a rapper didn't say that.

the beastie boys sampled that

[monosylab1k]

the beastie boys sampled that

[Oh, Gee!!]

"Serial Killa"
(feat. Kurupt, Daz, RBX)

got that one on my Ipod. that's when Snoop was good.

[InRareForm]

Why can't we blame movies, TV, culturation, video games, and hundreds of other things instead.

oh white people...



^ no talent there?, outta here!

[peewee's lovechild]

First it was "all", now it's "most". It's good to see you backtracking.

I don't remember saying all, and if I did it was exaggeration.

I'll clarify it now:

95% of rap is about the glory of the thug life.

Lupe Fiasco has more influence. Nobody takes Snoop Dogg seriously

You're full of .

[monosylab1k]

I don't remember saying all, and if I did it was exaggeration.

I'll clarify it now:

95% of rap is about the glory of the thug life.

Your ignorance is 95% amusing.

You're full of .

I guess if you knew what the you were talking about you wouldn't think that.