Real 9-11 Research

[Nbadan]

Do you know who supplied the logistics for the first W.T.C. attack?

[Don Quixote]

Hmm. So the variant "Truther" arguments seem to hinge upon the (slight) possibility of explosives being planted in the Towers, by people working for either (a) Bush, or (b) the Illuminati. Any other likely culprits?

No one saw explosives being planted, and no one is talking.

The Truther case is not convincing. For it to adequately explain what went on, they will need to explain who put the explosives in the building, how they did it, and why. You will have to explain how the explosives were never detected by anyone prior to the collapse. Then you will need to explain why they would even bother with aircraft when explosives would do the trick by themselves. Your explanation will then have to account for (a) no eyewitnesses and (b) no testimony.

On the other hand, non-"truthers" have a plausible explanation (aircraft hit the buildings at full speed, the fuel burned hot and caused structural collapse). We have millions of eyewitnesses. We have "suspects" who have already confessed (jihadists trained here and overseas) and we have a motive.

[ChumpDumper]

....it's not like they strapped bombs on beams in the middle of offices...there were plenty of interior support beams out of view...

Out of view?

Really?

How many spaces will go completely unnoticed for weeks by the entire maintenance staff of all three towers?

How many, say, elevator engineers do you think worked the day shift in the twin towers? Let's start there.

[ChumpDumper]

...many didn't, obviously.....but the ones that compromised the lower floors?

The lower floors were compromised by 20-30 acres of office building falling on top of them.

Why do you think both planes hit so far up the towers?

Because planes fly in the air.

Wouldn't have there been more chance of casualties if the planes had hit the towers much lower?

It would have been great for them if they could have flown the 767s in the PATH tunnel under the WTC.

[Nbadan]

How many spaces will go completely unnoticed for weeks by the entire maintenance staff of all three towers?

Who said it was weeks? Maybe it was just days....and if Silversteen was in on it....there's no telling who could have gained access to critical building areas....

[Nbadan]

The lower floors were compromised by 20-30 acres of office building falling on top of them.

Opposing forces...think back to physics....

[Nbadan]

Because planes fly in the air.

What hit the Pentagon then?

[ChumpDumper]

Who said it was weeks? Maybe it was just days....and if Silversteen was in on it....there's no telling who could have gained access to critical building areas....

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I can certainly understand the Silverstein angle. He took the money and retired to Dubai, didn't he?

[ChumpDumper]

What hit the Pentagon then?

Lots of skyscrapers surrounding the Pentagon.

Good comparison

[Don Quixote]

I'm amazed that people are still spinning their wheels over 9-11 "Truth." In a way, it is reminiscient of JFK conspiracy theorists. There were, as most people know, two commissions that covered the assassination of the President, one in 1964 I believe, and the other sometime in the 70s. They covered every known detail and released over 500,000 pages of do ents. It was a fairly solid case that Oswald acted alone, or at least was not part of any conspiracy.

Yet ... there are still a great many people (50%?) who, despite the evidence, still cling to the belief that Oswald was a pawn in some conspiracy to kill the President. We could point to the sheer volume of do ents, but the conspiracy people will always come back and say, but what are you hiding? They operate off of the assumption that the "ones in power" are always up to something nefarious or sinister. It's a rather destructive hermeneutic when applied to biblical studies, or history. It turns everyone into a skeptic.

Same case here. The "Truther" evidence is very weak. But I suspect we'll be hearing from them for decades. I'm not sure why people believe these things ...

is it for the satisfaction of knowing the big "secret"? That YOU have figured it out, instead of those mouth-breathers who believe the official line?

perhaps for the thrill it adds to the study of history? I don't know.

[Nbadan]

It would have been great for them if they could have flown the 767s in the PATH tunnel under the WTC.

..or planted explosives...

[ChumpDumper]

To the terrorists, it made sense to, you know -- hit the buildings however they could.

[Nbadan]

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I can certainly understand the Silverstein angle. He took the money and retired to Dubai, didn't he?

No, he took that insurance money and is in court sueing for more...

[ChumpDumper]

..or planted explosives...

Since the collapse started at the impact floors, that wouldn't even be necessary.

[ChumpDumper]

No, he took that insurance money and is in court sueing for more...

And what has he done with that money? Retired to Dubai, right? Or was it Israel?

[Don Quixote]

there were plenty of interior support beams out of view...

Ah yes, the argument from silence. We are to believe that since no one has NOT verified seeing bombs in the hidden areas not being inspected regularly, that there bombs in those very areas.

Sorry, but our standard of truth is a little higher than that.

[Nbadan]

I'm amazed that people are still spinning their wheels over 9-11 "Truth." In a way, it is reminiscient of JFK conspiracy theorists. There were, as most people know, two commissions that covered the assassination of the President, one in 1964 I believe, and the other sometime in the 70s. They covered every known detail and released over 500,000 pages of do ents. It was a fairly solid case that Oswald acted alone, or at least was not part of any conspiracy.

The Senate select committee determined that there was likely a conspiracy, but that so many people had mysteriously vanished or turned up dead that a conspiracy could never be proven or discounted...

[Don Quixote]

Wow ... this is stupid. Time for bed.

Doing the Lord's work, Chumpy.

[ChumpDumper]

So -- how many elevator mechanics were in the twin towers during a regular work day?

[Nbadan]

Ah yes, the argument from silence. We are to believe that since no one has NOT verified seeing bombs in the hidden areas not being inspected regularly, that there bombs in those very areas.

Sorry, but our standard of truth is a little higher than that.

No, we also have mysterious explosions going off in lower floors of both towers after the planes hit, during the ensuing panic...

[Nbadan]

Wow ... this is stupid. Time for bed.

Doing the Lord's work, Chumpy.

Yes, bury your head deep into your pillow tonight...night...night...

[Nbadan]

So -- how many elevator mechanics were in the twin towers during a regular work day?

I'm sure there was always a emergency team available or two, but why would they plant bombs in elevator shafts?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, bury your head deep into your pillow tonight...night...night...

You're the one posting on the internets while you think the government pulled off 9/11. How do YOU sleep?

[Nbadan]

You're the one posting on the internets while you think the government pulled off 9/11. How do YOU sleep?

I never said it was the government...you did...

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure there was always a emergency team available or two, but why would they plant bombs in elevator shafts?

dan, what was in the core?

Elevators.

200 of them.

One cannot swing one's dead cat in the cores without hitting an elevator.

Who maintains elevators?

Elevator mechanics.

Now, how many mechanics do you think maintained the 200 elevators on an average work day?