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I know that you are upset that your team was just embarrassed on national television. The rapist snaps are so 2004, so please stop. As Mark Jackson would say, "You're better than that!"
I have no desire to smack talk tonight, wasn't much of a game. But if Kobe's elbows are your reason why he's a great player, I'm not sure what to say.
It was only 2 days ago where Bowen got away with an unnatural act to Sasha .
This is the NBA, they're paid to play, let them play.
I know that you are upset that your team was just embarrassed on national television. The rapist snaps are so 2004, so please stop. As Mark Jackson would say, "You're better than that!"
Spurs don't make lopsided trades like the Lakers. Thomas was their big trade this year. They are too conservative to pull the trigger on major trades.
No, Parker is better than Farmar.
The lakers are the better team but the spurs ran out of gas in both games in the 2nd half.
I won't count Stoudamire as a true member of the Spurs since he is a failed mid season fill in. I don't know about this Horry thing you mention, but the guys that make it happen on this team have NOT been on the police blotter. Bryant embarrassed himself, his family, humiliated his wife for all the world to see. He also sealed the Lakers fate for four or five years with the Shaq thing.
Kobe got suspended for just about breaking Ginobili's nose last year with his flying elbows. That guy does it all the time and only occasionally gets called for it. In fact, I don't think he got called for a foul on that one.
Please tell me the last time Bowen went under a shooter? two or three years ago. He was suspended for the first time in his career this year after he had the audacity to get hit in the nuts by Chrissy Paul.
Ginobili (when he is healthy) has an awkward component to his game, but he does not travel any more than Bryant. The flopping thing is way overstated since your boys Fisher and Vagina (I mean Sasha V) are very skilled in that area as well. Manu is not a dirty player at all. It takes guts to take charges, and he really is not doing that as much any more to help avoid injuries.
I did not say his elbows make him great, I don't like the constant use of them to create space or to try and draw fouls.
Just a word to the Laker "fans". Don't assume this team of yours is going to go on some kind of great run for years and years in the future. Kobe is a very old 30 as far as basketball players go. He could break down very soon.
Bowen's a dirty player, there's no denying that. There's an actual youtube clip of Bowen defending players and all of a sudden those players wind up with their ankles and feet being hurt. Carmelo, Kobe, AI, and Vince Carter have all been subjected to his bull . Manu travels....you call it awkward, I call it taking four steps into the lane and then releasing his shot. Let's not forget Cheap Shot Rob who took out Steve Nash last year and incidentally took out David West this season. As for Kobe running Shaq out of town, it was Jerry Buss who ultimately made the (correct) decision of getting rid of Shaquille. And talking about that is also tiring, so you also stop.
For one, he's not even 30 yet. And your statement sounds more like wishful thinking.Just a word to the Laker "fans". Don't assume this team of yours is going to go on some kind of great run for years and years in the future. Kobe is a very old 30 as far as basketball players go. He could break down very soon.
So now it's our fault that our front office had the balls to make some moves? Remember, it takes at least 2 teams to complete a trade. Kuptchak didn't run into Memphis with a ski mask, waving a gun around and asking for Gasol. Let's examine your rage-triggered rant:
Wilt - Came in a trade
Jabbar - Came in a trade
Magic - The Lakers won a freaking coin toss that year for the right to draft in the position they did that year. By the way, that pick? They got it for trading some "garbage" player named Gail Goodrich.
Scott - Came in a trade for another key piece in the Lakers success in the early 80's, Norm Nixon.
Shaq - Signed with the Lakers on his own, unless you're gonna tell me Jerry West blackmailed him.
Kobe - Came in a trade (before he even played one pre-season game) from the Hornets for Vlade Divac. There was no way of knowing he'd become what he's become.
Gasol - Came in a trade.
Now besides Worthy being drafted with the #1 pick in the draft, I hardly consider any of those transactions gifts. But while we're on the subject, let's talk about the Spurs, a perennial playoff team, landing the #1 pick in the draft the year Tim Duncan came out? Now that's a gift.
Finally, attacking me due to my low post count is really reaching, grandpa. I post in another website regularly, and I just found out this website existed about 2 days ago. I'm pretty sure you're extremely proud of your high post count, as I now see you measure intellect and basketball knowledge solely on that. Congratulations on spewing your worthless opinion on this site 351 times, apparently it means the world to you.
I usually come here on occasion to check out the posts. I had to actually register today so I could reply to you moronic post. Go figure.
First and foremost, the fact that you felt you had to defend yourself on the imbred statement speaks volumns. Yiiiiiikes!
Let's move on.
Gifts? They are called trades and drafts. Were we fortunate to be in a good draft position to get magic and worthy? No doubt, but certainly no more a "gift" than say....hmmmmmm..... who comes to mind... oh Robinson and Duncan? The Lakers have been fortunate to not have long rebuilding periods because they also have drafted well and developed those players. Case in point, the bench that is currently torching your team. Do you not remember the 90's? We suffered many years of mediocre play but you convienantly forget those. You pull out the "gifts" whine when your own team certainly has their own history of gifts. Lame.
There you go dissing and making generalizations of an entire fanbase based on a few individuals. We all know how adult and astute that tact is. Well, most non ignorant people do. Again, Lame!
This is soooooooooooooo beyond ignorant I am almost at a loss for words. Are you really honestly trying to villify Kobe for an inadvertant elbow to of all people Bowen? Did you see Bowen deleberate elbow to Sasha in game one? Do i really need to go on with the HUNDREDS of dirty and deliberate cheap shots Bowen gives? How stupid can you possibly be to use Bowen as a victum in a cheap shot argument. FAR FAR BEYOND LAME!
I dont think you would have a hard time finding a lot of laker fans that dont like some of the ego and at ude issues that have come with Kobe. But what we do like is his work ethic, his desire, his compe iveness, and skills. He also has learned to become a much better team player which is only going to bring gloom and doom for you guys for the rest of his career. If you are going go on the "morally bankrupt" rant over a NBA player cheating on his wife then you better reserve a lot of time cause Kobe is just one name on a long list. Im guessing you posted about MJ being a dirtbag during his reign. Magic during his etc etc. You cannot belittle Kobe's game so in yet another LAME retort, you have result to bashing his character. His character isnt tearing your Spurs apart. His game is. Your just a Kobe hater and haters hate.
No, you just resort to the embarassing behaviour ON THE COURT. Bowen is well regarded as the dirtiest player in the game. Hmmmm, Horry last year? No embarassment there winning it that way. Sad!
Wow, got us laker fans trembling all over now! Maybe if your team borrowed a little at ude from you they wouldnt be getting their asses handed to them? Well, there you have it. I really didnt want to have to register to post a reply to your foolish and completly ignorant rants, but I felt compelled to do so. Lame is lame...and you sir take the cake!
I have every right to respond in kind to attacks against me. My comments hit too close to home for some of the front running Laker "fans".
Lakaluve, telling me to shut the F up (when you really mean it) and calling me a makes me wonder how truly stupid you really are. You will not deter me. I've seen your ignorant posts for awhile. YOU ARE A BIG BAG OF NOTHING! You can use the F word twice in a sentence? Wow! Congratulations. You'll go far in life with that wit and wisdom
I am serious about Bryant running out of gas. He was born in 1978 and has been in the NBA 12 years with heavy heavy minutes after year one.
The Spurs are suffering from this to a certain extent with the numerous deep playoff runs over the last 5 or 6 years. The Lakers (outside of Bryant) have not had this issue.
I just think that Bryant will suffer the effects of the heavy minutes more quickly since he is a guard and must rely on his quickness to be effective. Is it wishful thinking too? Yeah! The guys a jerk. Other players in the league consider him to be a prima donna jerk. You guys cannot dispute that given his history.
Do you think that Kobe Bryant is the only pompous ass walking around in the NBA? I don't think so. The NBA is full of prima donnas. Like Kobe says, you don't have to like him, but you sure as better respect his game.
And I ain't no front running fan....I have been rooting for this team long before Kobe Bryant ever put on a Lakers uniform. I will pull out Laker names who have played for us that your ass has never heard of, so quit ing about Laker "fans".
After all, it was his "ego" that brought them back from being down 20 in game 1, right? Reaching for off the court issues (such as a sexual assault case that he was never convicted for) is the last resort for a desperate fan.
Kobe Bryant: The only Egotistical self absorbed player EVER to play professional sports. Right.....
Hmmmmm, I was at the FIBA games this summer. I was fortunate to have access to the players from all over the world not to mention the best the USA has to offer. To a man they had nothing but praise for Kobe and his work ethic and at ude. Have you actually ever really talked to a single player or are you just buying into all the media crap? I have yet to meet a athlete at that level that does not have an ego and prima donna tendencies. Kobe most definetly has his but its not what will defiine his career.
As for the breaking down. Yes he has more than average mileage on his body. He also has a much better than average team of nutritionalists, trainers, therapists etc. surrounding him. Hes got a good 4 or 5 years left at this level. Maybe in that time you guys can retool but of course to do that... you will need "GIFTS".
I'm not worried about this series. I'm worried by how exhausted the Spurs will be by the NBA Finals. Hopefully Detroit/Boston go 7 games in the ECF.
I beg to differ. The Spurs were atleast .500 better against the other 7 playoff teams except Phoenix against whom we were 1-3, and we saw how much that mattered.
So you come in and discover this site two days ago and start throwing stuff in our faces. Good for you. Some other genius uses his first post to complain about me. Great.
Do you know any of the players the Lakers traded for Chamberlain or Jabbar? Let's truly "examine" this shall we.
The players traded for Chamberlain were spare parts (West and Baylor were not sent packing). Kent Benson, Brian Winters and Junior Bridgeman were the key parts sent to Milwaukee for Jabbar - who forced his way out of Milwaukee in a contract dispute.
A washed up Gail Goodrich at 34 years of age (I think Goodrich was drafted in the mid 1960s by LA) was sent to the Jazz for what became Magic Johnson in 1979 as the #1 pick. Don't be throwing Gail Goodrich around as a great player by the time he got to the Jazz. He was just about finished and the Lakers got Magic for 12 years. That's akin to the Lakers trading Derek Fisher this summer and getting Michael Beasley in the draft the following year.
The Cleveland Cavaliers traded for Don Ford (remember him) and a very low Laker #1 pick (that turned out to be a stiff) for a 1982 #1 pick from Cleveland that turned out to be James Worthy.
Norm Nixon was a declining player when they got rid of him and got the 4th pick in the draft in Scott, back when the 4th pick in the draft could get you well seasoned college player.
The point about O'Neal is they did not have to pay compensation other than the cash to obtain him in 1996. A dominant player in his absolute prime for no draft picks or players. This deal also allowed LA to trade Divac (a guy they no longer needed in the last year of his contract) to the Hornets for the rights to Kobe. Divac left the following year for Sacramento leaving Charlotte with nothing.
Kwame Brown and a couple of low #1s for Gasol is a joke. That is not equal value at all. Kwame had a big contract and no game. Memphis is another in the long line of suckers who have bailed out the Lakers.
I think its clear that it took absolutely no balls to make these trades I have listed above. It just doesn't - the Lakers (to their credit) took advantage of some incompetent organizations through the years to stay on top by landing top players and not have to truly rebuild their roster. Laker fans are completely spoiled over the years and this at ude comes through with many of the posters coming in here this week. The sense of en lement is shown with many of you Laker "Fans".
My team had to endure some really rotten seasons to obtain Robinson and Duncan. These players were picked with #1 owned by SA and yes they were fortunate to win the lottery those two years. Still, the Spurs had the third worst record in the league prior to the 1987 and 1997 drafts.
The lopsided trades like the Lakers have made have not been available to the Spurs. That's the deal. They have had to be creative in building their roster with limited resources the last 10-12 years. The highest draft pick they have had since 1997 has been the 24th pick in the draft. Yet with picks like Parker and Ginobili, they have been able to win championships. I think that's pretty impressive and not as much of a gift.
Game 2 is being replayed right now on TNT, just in case you Lakers bandwagoners want to rub another one out before you have to go night night.
''Its not over until one teams wins 4 games!!! ''
There will be no Finals for the Spurs this year.
You could have saved yourself a lot of typing by simply typing in these 2 words: Sour Grapes.
I like how you hold yourself to a higher standard because you and your team had to "endure" more than a Laker fan. Hahaha, did your marriage suffer because of this? Man, you guys are getting just a little carried away.
And just for the record, I wouldn't give a if I was fresh out of the ing womb. If you come on here and pop off like an asshat, you're gonna hear about it regardless how many days or posts I have. That's about the most pathetic cop out you could have come up with. "Wah, wah!! Don't throw it in our faces if you only have 2 days on here, wah!"
I'm watching this series and laughing. It's bull . Just like the New Orleans series. The Spurs are sleeping while the other teams get easy buckets and cheap hype. The Spurs need to wake up, no doubt though.
Wow a polite lakers fan. Welcome to the forum.
It would have been really nice to win 1 of the first 2 games in LA, but the Spurs have been in this situation before. I believe they will win both in SA and my confident they can win at least one in LA.
Actually--I remember when Manu played in the all-star game a year or two ago, Kobe was really complimentary to Manu and was a real cool dude in giving props to Manu during the pre-conference both before and after the game.Hmmmmm, I was at the FIBA games this summer. I was fortunate to have access to the players from all over the world not to mention the best the USA has to offer. To a man they had nothing but praise for Kobe and his work ethic and at ude. Have you actually ever really talked to a single player or are you just buying into all the media crap? I have yet to meet a athlete at that level that does not have an ego and prima donna tendencies. Kobe most definetly has his but its not what will defiine his career.
As for the breaking down. Yes he has more than average mileage on his body. He also has a much better than average team of nutritionalists, trainers, therapists etc. surrounding him. Hes got a good 4 or 5 years left at this level. Maybe in that time you guys can retool but of course to do that... you will need "GIFTS".
I don't really mind Kobe being y--but some of the Laker fans who have their heads shoved up his ass are something else.
The score is almost exactly the same as your '05 Game 4 loss to the Pistons,102-71, tying the series at 2-2. You went on to win the Series.
In round 1, you took 4 of 5 from the team I thought might be your biggest test, Phoenix.
In round 2 you dug out of an 0-2 hole to come back and take 4 of 5 from an excellent N.O. team.
Do what you've been doing at Home (win), force another Game 7, and perhaps we'll see you in the Finals.
ahahahhaahhahahahhahahahahahahaha.. A classic!!!! As much as I love the Spurs fans, and as much as they know they know championship basketball, and as much as they are NOT unclassy like the Jazz fans..., sorry dudes, you're way over your heads.
ahahahahhahahahhahahahhahaha. The Spurs better win Game 3, or this series will be over in 4. ahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahha!!!@!!!!!
Gotta love it!!!!!
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