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    for the deal to include jeremy we most likely need a 3rd team to get involved to make the numbers work

    - Suns cant aggregate players, so it has to be just KD

    - KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes works

    - KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes + Sochan does not work. it is too much salary for PHX to take back. one of KJ/Barnes would have to be re-routed to a third team

    - KD for Vassell + Sochan alone does not get there. it would have to include all of Branham/Wesley/Champagnie for the numbers to bear out, and a 4 for 1 deal like that, roster wise, is going to be tough for both teams


    with that said... KJ + Barnes + Sochan works, but then we are losing 3 rotational forwards for an old Durant, and if the suns value Vassell, then they'd probably want more draft comp to make this one work out, which i dont see

    i also question why the Suns would want sochan that badly if they like Ryan Dunn
    This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.

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    Really don't want to give up Sochan in the deal unless he is asking for starter money on an extension. If he is willing to sign for 10-12m/year and come off the bench he would be great for this team.

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    This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.
    yeah you're right. It does work. I still think there's a twist in this deal that none of us see coming...

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    I'm telling y'all these reports are only out there so ESPN can get their ratings up


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    by the way

    Devin, Sochan, Branham, Wesley for KD works too, if the Spurs want to keep Keldon and Barnes it's possible

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    i think the Suns are going to want that expiring contract of Barnes.

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    Rockets can easily put the best offer together. If KD is cool with those 5 teams he will be Rocket. The Spurs will not include pick #2 or Castle. Vassell/barnes or Keldon and 14 can’t beat any rockets offer. They have unlimited assets.

    pick 10, Jalen green, Jabari smith Jr., Cam whitmore, Dillon Brooks, Fred VanVleet’s contract, Tari Eason, Suns picks back.

    Spurs can’t match.

    Only way KD ends up in San Antonio is a massive overpay or KD forces it.

    I’m taking this report from Shams as those are the 5 teams KD is cool with. He will be a Rocket.
    Just cause the Rockets can put the best offer together doesn't mean they will put the best off together. I'm sure any Suns Rockets trade starts with the Suns wanting some or all of their picks back and the Rockets saying no. Might be enough to kill any deal right there.

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    Can we get this to a 100 pages before this is no longer a possibility (I'm not real certain there is even real interest by the Spurs)

    I'm skeptical the Spurs are really interested- probably Spurs tossing out some low ball offers at best.

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    This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.
    yeah, spotrac's website was messing up. i had specifically selected the 25-26 year so the salaries are correct.

    even though spotrac shows suns taking in 3 mil less than they are sending out, it still calls it a failed trade


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    yeah, spotrac's website was messing up. i had specifically selected the 25-26 year so the salaries are correct.

    even though spotrac shows suns taking in 3 mil less than they are sending out, it still calls it a failed trade

    Bad coding. If you look at the Suns salary difference, it’s a bit over $3M. It should be -$3M. The positive number is probably what is failing the trade.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    he also said I'm not sure they will be able to generate that. They are not getting anything close to that. You shouldn't believe anything ESPN is saying.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    Good luck with that. I’m don’t see any team offering that even if KD agreed to go there

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    I want no part of a Durant bidding war. I’ll stand by Vassell, Keldon/Barnes and pick 14. Anything more and I’m happy to use pick 14 and move on. It’s a deep draft.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    they can keep Durant and see him walk to Spurs next season.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    Yes, that's all posture. In negotiations, you always start high. But the reality is they are a second apron team that won't make the playoffs for the next few years. If they don't trade both Durant and Beal, they will be in a world of hurt. Not only that, Durant gets to pick his team, not them, because he only has one year on his contract and he can tell any team that he won't re-sign with them. No one will pay 4 draft picks, young players, and salary cap relief for a one-year rental. They might get one pick, but the only team that would gamble with multiple first round picks is Miami. They can't get multiple picks from the Twolves or the Knicks. Miami can't give up much young talent and have a roster that could win a le but they might give up too many picks.

    It really is Houston and San Antonio and I don't see either of those teams bidding up two first round picks. One at best. Probably some 2nd round picks. And Spurs would say any trade involving Vassel or Sochan would require a first round pick. I just think Suns are screwed. And if they don't trade Durant now, no gurantee he will be healthy to trade by the deadline next season and if he isn't traded by then, he'll walk in free agency and the Suns will get nothing.

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    It's not even posture, it's Ishbia being a re .
    When their season ended he said he regrets not doing it his way instead of listening to his front office.
    Billionaire egomaniac who's going to burn down what's left of that franchise.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

    KD should just take the for sale sign down at his house then cause nobody is paying even half that for KD

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    Yeah that. I'd rather just draft Harper sign some vets and call it an offseason

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    Laughable trade demands (if true). If that's the case, they can hold onto him and either trade him at the deadline for a much lesser package or let him walk for nothing next Summer. As much as I'd love to add KD, Spurs should not get into a bidding war for a 37 year-old with 1 year left on his deal. Either they come down to a reasonable price or back out and let them themselves over.

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    the only way the Spurs ain't getting Durant is if a team is willing to overpay for a 1-year rental. The only team that could do that is Miami. The Rockets already said that they are not willing to include draft capital in their offer. He's a Spur.

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    Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol
    Yeah, NO, F-that!

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    Jeremy trying his best to guilt PATFO into not trading him tbh.


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    The Spurs can play the "river" and not sucked in on the bidding war. They are not in desperate mode. That's why I don't like the "win now" term. Yes they will be compe ive next season, getting into the playoff and maybe advance in the 2nd round. They are a very young team who's building for a 10-15 years dominance. It'd be nice, but they don't necessarily need Durant and not on a king's ransom.

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