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    I ask yet again, for the 16th time.

    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

    We all know the answer, but only one of us lacks the honesty to answer the question.
    You won't believe it.

    I just threw a pizza in the oven, and had to step out of the room for five minutes. When I returned, the entire stove had melted down into a pool of metal on my kitchen floor.

    Apparently, I had set the temp on my oven to 550 degrees, instead of 450 degrees!

    Now I understand why the Twin Towers fell....

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    Witnesses near WTC7 described sounds typical of buildings falling down.

    Get your facts straight.
    they heard the exposions before the building fell, including a countdown.

    Get your facts straight.

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    You won't believe it.

    I just threw a pizza in the oven, and had to step out of the room for five minutes. When I returned, the entire stove had melted down into a pool of metal on my kitchen floor.

    Apparently, I had set the temp on my oven to 550 degrees, instead of 450 degrees!

    Now I understand why the Twin Towers fell....

    Do you know why blacksmiths heat metal? Notice -- they don't MELT it, just heat it.

    Why do they do that?



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    I can see Galileo lurking....thinking of some more dumb to say.

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    Get your facts straight.
    How many floors?


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    You won't believe it.

    I just threw a pizza in the oven, and had to step out of the room for five minutes. When I returned, the entire stove had melted down into a pool of metal on my kitchen floor.

    Apparently, I had set the temp on my oven to 550 degrees, instead of 450 degrees!

    Now I understand why the Twin Towers fell....
    I ask yet again, for the 17th time a simple yes or no question.

    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

    We all know the answer, but only one of us lacks the honesty to answer the question.

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    Do you know why blacksmiths heat metal? Notice -- they don't MELT it, just heat it.

    Why do they do that?


    Steel supports must liquify at their melting point of 3000°F in order to weaken and fail, and everything that metalurgists and engineers have told us about heat of only about 700°Fweakening steel is false, and for thousands of years, metal workers like blacksmiths and armorers have just had it all wrong, because they only needed large blast furnaces, spigots, and molds to form horseshoes, swords, and plowshares from liquid metal, and they didn't need a hammer and anvil, as you see in Hollywood movies' special effects.

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    they heard the exposions before the building fell, including a countdown.

    Get your facts straight.
    my bad!

    The firemen who checked the scene denied there was any molten metal.

    They say the hot oven WEAKENED the steel, but did not MELT the steel!


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    Home ovens don't get that hot.

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    my bad!

    The firemen who checked the scene denied there was any molten metal.

    They say the hot oven WEAKENED the steel, but did not MELT the steel!


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    my bad!

    The firemen who checked the scene denied there was any molten metal.
    and of course all molten metal is structural steel...


    and it is the height of simplicity to name the type of molten metal in these pictures...










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    What a patriot.

    A true American.

    If you was 1/2 an American you would agree with Nbadan when he is right.

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    Not sure what you're trying to say here.

    As someone who knows a thing or two about Islam, I would love to know: Is radical Islam an American creation? Or the name "al-Qaeda" American?
    see for yourself....



    The power of Nightmares Part 2

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ny0RPMmDmZ8&feature=related

    The power of Nightmares Part 3

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    The power of Nightmares Part 4

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=I8ztzg-zCZQ&feature=related

    The Power of Nightmares Part 5

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    The Power of Nightmares Part 6

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8C8QHRUauzE&feature=related

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    Sorry. My computer can't view the YouTube clips.

    I want to know what you are saying: is radical Islam an American creation?

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    I ask yet again, for the 17th time a simple yes or no question.

    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

    We all know the answer, but only one of us lacks the honesty to answer the question.
    I'll answer your question when you provide video evidence of what actually crashed into the Pentagon.

    Why have the various videos of the attack on the Pentagon been withheld from the public?

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    I'll answer your question when you provide video evidence of what actually crashed into the Pentagon.

    Why have the various videos of the attack on the Pentagon been withheld from the public?
    They haven't been to my knowledge. The FBI has released the tapes they seized after Freedom of Information Requests.

    If you could name/describe the tapes that have been withheld, I can better answer your question.

    A few of them can be seen here

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    I ask yet again, for the 18th time a simple yes or no question.

    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

    We all know the answer, but only one of us lacks the honesty to answer the question.

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    I'll answer your question when you provide video evidence of what actually crashed into the Pentagon.

    Well, there were a ton of aircraft parts at the scene and they have the flight data recorder. What else do you need?

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    Well, there were a ton of aircraft parts at the scene and they have the flight data recorder. What else do you need?
    Taxpayers pay for those Pentagon video cameras and videos. WHERE THE ARE THEY???



    Why is the Pentagon promoting conspiracy theories!!!


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    Taxpayers pay for those Pentagon video cameras and videos. WHERE THE ARE THEY???



    Why is the Pentagon promoting conspiracy theories!!!

    A few of them can be seen here

    But hey, you aren't really interested in silly things like telling the truth, so...

    85 videos
    The videos taken from the Pentagon area after the 9/11 attacks were mentioned in the Maguire declaration, where FBI Special Agent, Jacqueline Maguire responded (see below) to a request from Scott Bingham.

    In Summary:
    She determined that the FBI had 85 videotaptes that might be relevant. Of those, 56 "of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11."
    Of the 29 remaining videotapes, 16 "did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon."
    Of the 13 remaining tapes which showed the Pentagon crash site, 12 "only showed after the impact of Flight 77."
    The videotape taken from the Citgo gas station did not show the impact.
    No videotapes were located from the Sheraton Hotel, though she located a videotape from the Doubletree Hotel.
    85 videos
    A list of all the videotapes is available, which shows many of these videotapes do not have footage of the Pentagon at all. Instead, many have footage of the WTC, some are security video tapes taken from a Kinko's in Florida, etc. Some that show the Pentagon were taken days after the attacks, and some in the evening of 9/11/2001.

    The security camera footage taken from around the Pentagon included the Citgo, the Doubletree, and the Pentagon parking lot. There was also video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Another video came from a DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. The camera was repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon.

    Footage taken after the attack included home video filmed by a tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera, and video taken by a NBC4 Washington reporter.

    A complete list of the videos and original do ents are below.

    The list of 85 videos
    Five videotapes were recovered from the post-attack Pentagon crime scene and submitted to the FBI Laboratory in Quantico.

    13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

    One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
    One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
    One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
    One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
    One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
    One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
    One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
    8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.

    One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
    Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.

    One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
    Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.

    One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing
    Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

    These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

    One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
    One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"
    Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

    One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
    One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
    One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
    One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
    One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
    One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
    One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
    One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
    One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
    One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
    Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.

    One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
    One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
    Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.

    One (1) Betacam video tape
    One (1) HDCAM video tape
    One (1) Betacam SP video tape
    One (1) Betacam SP video tape
    One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
    One (1) DVC PRO video tape
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
    One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
    One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"
    Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.


    One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
    One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
    One (1) TDK 8mm video tape
    Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.

    One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon
    Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.

    One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape
    Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey

    One TDK T-160 VHS video tape
    Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

    One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
    Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

    One (1) videotape
    Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

    One (1) videotape
    Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

    One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01
    Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.

    One (1) CD containing 2 video files
    Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.

    One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K
    Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.

    One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"
    Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.

    One (1) CD-ROM
    All of this can be seen, along with scans of orginal do entation here

    I have now answered your question. Now will you FINALLY answer mine with a simple yes or no answer?
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    I ask yet again, for the 19th time a simple yes or no question.

    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

    We all know the answer, but only one of us lacks the honesty to answer the question.

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    The no-planers have arrived!

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    The no-planers have arrived!
    Heh, there is a splinter group of "truthers" who believe that there was a plane, but it just flew over the pentagon and didn't crash. They are quite adamant (surprise!) about it.

    The explosion and everything was stagecrafted.

    They have yet to produce witnesses that can actually say "I saw it fly off", and base their whole theory on witness inconsistancies concerning the flight path to the pentagon.

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    ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?
    Depends on how many times and different ways would you like the same question answered...

    Yes.....Si...Ja...Oui......Ναι


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