De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[scott]

I like the ATL ideas, but I'm not sure Trae is the guy they'd want. I think they're interested in the Monk/Ellis/Carter 3-man guard rotation. It might be Hunter who is the guy they'd really want.

[LeBowen]

It might be Hunter who is the guy they'd really want.

Been saying this for a long time.

Spurs out:
'25 ATL, '26 SAS/ATL, '27 ATL, '31 SAS/SAC extinguished
Devin
Tre

Spurs in:
Fox

Kings out:
Fox
Huerter

Kings in:
Hunter
Devin
Tre
'31 swap returned
'25 SAC returned

Hawks out:
Hunter
'25 SAC

Hawks in:
Huerter
'25 ATL
'26 ATL/SAS
'27 ATL


I'd hope to keep that '26 swap so we have one pick each year, would it be legal for us to extinguish the swap in this trade and just keep our own '26 pick?

[Dverde]

This is the Kawhi situation without the Uncle. Everyone knew he was Clippers bound.

Another team may trade for Fox hoping to change his mind - but he is ultimately going to make his way to the Spurs. It’s a basketball decision. On/Off the court.

Fox hasn’t abandoned his teammates yet. Hasn’t blamed the team for misdiagnosis his injury. Hasn’t demanded a trade yet. Hasn’t demanded to be traded only to a certain city.

[DPG21920]

I dont know if ATL would do it - they have not given any indication that they want to blow it up. But would definitely help SA.

I mean, even with Trae they are still a play-in level team. it’s not great. They landed number one pick and cant change fortunes at all. Trae is due an extension soon and then how will ATL improve after paying him?

They are in a very tough spot and I do wonder if they had their own picks if they would have already moved Trae?

[scott]

I'd hope to keep that '26 swap so we have one pick each year, would it be legal for us to extinguish the swap in this trade and just keep our own '26 pick?

Yes, that would be legal. We can't trade the swap on it's own to another team, but we can agree to extinguish a swap with the original team.

[Dverde]

I like the ATL ideas, but I'm not sure Trae is the guy they'd want. I think they're interested in the Monk/Ellis/Carter 3-man guard rotation. It might be Hunter who is the guy they'd really want.

You would think that, but the Kings be the Kings. Run out Young, Demar, Sabonis and try to outscore everyone.

[LeBowen]

Yes, that would be legal. We can't trade the swap on it's own to another team, but we can agree to extinguish a swap with the original team.

Alright, that's about as fair of a trade as I can think of.

Kings lose Fox, but get Devin, Hunter and Tre with both picks they don't control back.

Spurs give up 3 golden tickets () and Devin for Fox.

Hawks get control of their picks back in exchange for their 6th man.

[spurraider21]

If I was a Kings fan, I'd straight up stop following basketball if this happens.
Imagine having Beal and Demar under contract for 2 more years.

to be fair they make sense as a pairing sylistically with beal being a good off-ball player. he could play off derozan and monk and fit in well assuming he's healthy.

[rjv]

Good call out. I did mention that one a couple dozen pages ago. I love Castle, and I absolutely want to keep him. But if he's the cost of getting the deal done, then I think you do it. Could Castle turn into a better player than Fox? It's possible. It is likely? I don't think so.

With that said, I think Castle + Vassell + picks is too much. I think I would do Castle + Vassell with no picks, but if we are sending out picks, it only one of Devin or Castle (I try my hardest to make it Devin, and I think Devin fits SAC better anyway personally).

Doing Castle + Devin with no picks might be a hotter take, but it still leaves me with plenty of assets to build the team around my new StarFox Big 2. It also now makes Jeremy playable as a starter and provides some flexibility on what you can do. Keeping Castle means Jeremy becomes a bench guy and you need to out and get shooting wings (Barnes is a good fit and we have him already).

That's my personal opinion on Castle. But... I repeat, I try my damnedest to keep Steph.

that being said, i think it's a moot point. i'd be absolutely stunned if the spurs gave castle up. i think he's the only other spur besides Wemby that I can say that about.

[mo7888]

What I'm reading is that there are quite a few here that think getting Fox will preclude us from getting someone else this summer and I don't think that's the case at all. I also see sentiments here that Lauri won't be available this summer and I think both views are wrong. As long as we don't go nuts with the Fox trade we will have plenty of capital to go after Lauri this summer (or another player of that stature).

Devin and 3 firsts is completely reasonable (especially if you can expand the deal to send out Keldon and take back Heurter). Even adding Castle and reducing the pick out to two firsts is perfectly reasonable. I don't really prefer to do that but, I would to get a deal done.

[Seventyniner]

3 golden tickets

Don't forget that 4 of the 5 golden tickets in the book ended up being busts.

[vy65]

Been saying this for a long time.

Spurs out:
'25 ATL, '26 SAS/ATL, '27 ATL, '31 SAS/SAC extinguished
Devin
Tre

Spurs in:
Fox

Kings out:
Fox
Huerter

Kings in:
Hunter
Devin
Tre
'31 swap returned
'25 SAC returned

Hawks out:
Hunter
'25 SAC

Hawks in:
Huerter
'25 ATL
'26 ATL/SAS
'27 ATL


I'd hope to keep that '26 swap so we have one pick each year, would it be legal for us to extinguish the swap in this trade and just keep our own '26 pick?

This feels like an overpay. I think the SAS/SAC 20131 pick is what pushes it over the top for me.

[BatManu20]

Not very readable, it's Jokic + SGA + Giannis to the Wizards for salary filler where the Wizards somehow get 6 wins worse, DEN and OC are the same, MIL gets 6 wins better. Something is very broken in the calculation.

Christ . Broken is an understatement. They need to just get rid of Hollinger's predictions altogether, clearly.

[LeBowen]

This feels like an overpay. I think the SAS/SAC 20131 pick is what pushes it over the top for me.

If we're to get Fox, that swap is the first thing they'll ask for, as they should.
That's the only asset I'm certain will be involved in the trade.

[DPG21920]

Ya - if Spurs are going to allow ATL to do what they need to do, they need to be paid a premium IMO

Sending ATL their picks back should be end of it. No Dev/Castle/Sochan goes out either. Maybe some 2nds if need be. But SAC getting Trae for Fox is even and enough compensation.

ATL needs to pay SA a premium to get their future back and ability to tank so us giving them 25, 26 swap and 27 is enough. SA sends out Collins/Keldon type money


Would anyone do, Fox aside:

Spurs Get: ATL 28 unprotected & ATL 29 Unprotected

ATL Gets: ATL 25 back & ATL 26 swap back

Spurs turn 1 unprotected and 1 swap into 2 unprotected picks and ATL gets control of their next two years and can reboot and trade Trae elsewhere if they want.

[mo7888]

Ya - if Spurs are going to allow ATL to do what they need to do, they need to be paid a premium IMO

Sending ATL their picks back should be end of it. No Dev/Castle/Sochan goes out either. Maybe some 2nds if need be. But SAC getting Trae for Fox is even and enough compensation.

ATL needs to pay SA a premium to get their future back and ability to tank so us giving them 25, 26 swap and 27 is enough. SA sends out Collins/Keldon type money


Would anyone do, Fox aside:

Spurs Get: ATL 28 unprotected & ATL 29 Unprotected

ATL Gets: ATL 25 back & ATL 26 swap back

Spurs turn 1 unprotected and 1 swap into 2 unprotected picks and ATL gets control of their next two years and can reboot and trade Trae elsewhere if they want.

I would do that ATL pick swap trade.

[scott]

Ya - if Spurs are going to allow ATL to do what they need to do, they need to be paid a premium IMO

Sending ATL their picks back should be end of it. No Dev/Castle/Sochan goes out either. Maybe some 2nds if need be. But SAC getting Trae for Fox is even and enough compensation.

ATL needs to pay SA a premium to get their future back and ability to tank so us giving them 25, 26 swap and 27 is enough. SA sends out Collins/Keldon type money


Would anyone do, Fox aside:

Spurs Get: ATL 28 unprotected & ATL 29 Unprotected

ATL Gets: ATL 25 back & ATL 26 swap back

Spurs turn 1 unprotected and 1 swap into 2 unprotected picks and ATL gets control of their next two years and can reboot and trade Trae elsewhere if they want.

I would definitely do that but I don't think ATL would. But if they're offering, I'm taking.

Edit: this would actually be an illegal trade though. ATL can send us ATL28 or ATL29, but not both, because it would violate the Stepien rule. (ATL has an extra pick incoming in 27 which allows them to trade ATL28)

[Dverde]

“In this league, I expect the unexpected,” Fox said in a brief interview Wednesday at Kings shootaround in Philadelphia before taking on the 76ers. “I think crazier things have happened.

[vy65]

If we're to get Fox, that swap is the first thing they'll ask for, as they should.
That's the only asset I'm certain will be involved in the trade.

I think that's right, and I'm definitely not opposed to including it as comp, but not with all of ATL's picks going back. I'd be fine with the framework, but we keep 1 of the Hawks picks.

[baseline bum]

Worth mentioning that Kings insider James Ham just mentioned on SAC local radio that Fox has made it clear he would not sign an extension in Houston and doesn't want to go there.


I doubt HOU would seriously entertain a Fox trade right now anyway but that's one of the only teams who could seriously rival an SAS trade package likely off the board.

You have a link? Would love to hear the segment.

[DPG21920]

I would definitely do that but I don't think ATL would. But if they're offering, I'm taking.

Edit: this would actually be an illegal trade though. ATL can send us ATL28 or ATL29, but not both, because it would violate the Stepien rule. (ATL has an extra pick incoming in 27 which allows them to trade ATL28)

Ya - just make the other pick ATL 30 or whatever it needs to be etc…was thinking of how HOU gave BKY picks back type deal. ATL can control next two years and tank and trade Trae for a nice haul too and SA gets compensated via another unprotected first instead of a swap for allowing it etc….

Just something I can see maybe even if it’s not in Fox deal. But would be great to just send Trae to Sac for Fox, the 2 picks + swap to ATL alongside non core matching salaries and SA gets Fox that way.

[Blizzardwizard]

You have a link? Would love to hear the segment.

Kings Trade Options, Matchup With the 76ers - January 29: The Insiders + D-Lo & KC - YouTube


It's a live broadcast right now but it was about 48 minutes in from the start of the stream.

[Mnky]

Not sure what you are referring to, but would be happy to discuss if you clarify.



The next Spurs dynasty will also be built through the draft in that we drafted Wemby. He is the core, just like Giannis is the core in MIL, Joker is the core in DEN, etc. Wemby isn't just a star, he's a superstar. I would compare it to BOS. Tatum and Brown were drafted, but pretty much the rest of the their main rotation was acquired via trade (Derrick, Jrue, Kristaps). They have some other guys they drafted (Prichard) who they drafted, and the Spurs will still have picks to add more players.



Of course its about the right price. I haven't seen anyone dispute that. And pretty much everyone in this thread has said no to Vassell + Castle. The only way I'd do that is if it includes no picks (but I'd rather keep Castle and send out some picks, personally). It's correct Fox is not a superstar. Neither are Mitc , Gobert, KAT, Bridges though. I'd put Fox in roughly the same category as those guys (Mitc and KAT mostly, I'd put him above Gobert and Bridges).

The last Superstar trade we saw was for a 34 year old KD on a team that was blowing it up. That cost PHX 5 FRPs plus Bridges and Cam Johnson. In the event a true Superstar comes available, are you ready to pay THAT kind of price? The Spurs don't even have a Bridges or a Cam Johnson to trade.



Who's making that argument? It seems like the only people making that argument are those out of touch with current NBA trade values and confusing a package of Vassell + 3 FRPs + SAC's swap (which is on the high end of what pretty much anyone has suggested in here) with a Superstar package. That is not a superstar package. There isn't a single superstar in this league you could acquire with that package (and when we say Superstar, we're talking about Shai, Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Curry, Lebron, KD, Wemby and maybe Tatum.)



The Spurs were a luxury tax team several times during the Duncan era. 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011. Their stars took pay cuts so the team could bring in more talent to compete. Kidd didn't not come here because of Tony, he didn't come here because his wife didn't want to move to San Antonio. The fact that aren't many teams who just bring in superstars outside of a handful of big markets is the point. San Antonio isn't one of those markets, so getting Top 25 talent isn't an avenue that is just always open to us.



You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never made that argument, so I was confused that when it was in response to me. I'm actually not even sure what you're talking about at this point? I don't have a "Fox wants to leave story" - I was responding to when you said "Don't pay big for someone you're comfortable walking in a couple years."



If history has shown trading a superstar price... why did you just say that you want to wait to trade for a superstar? Your words: "If you're shooting for the stars, just pay big and go for an established superstar." You're posts are really contradictory, but what I gather is that you just don't want to overpay for Fox. That's fine, none of us do.

The original point was that most people are offering overpay in this thread.

Not good.

[benefactor]

Classic DPG. Dancing with the one he came with while sneaking over to the other side of the room and grabbing some girl's ass.

Feels like the old days.

[Tyronn Lue]

Most of these teams are just trying to get a few extra games a year in the playoffs, a few more wins, sell some tickets. Very few have real championship DNA.