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Yes pudding hurt both sides equally.
You have again gone overboard with one party. So you were unaware that the Russians also put up false stories about police brutality and race incidents in the US to incite people like you as well. The idea is to sow discord ON BOTH SIDES.This is How Grown-Ups Deal With Putin (j/k)
“It is Russia’s actions which threaten the international order on which we all depend,” May said on Monday night at the Lord Mayor’s banquet in London, where she delivered the kind of tough-minded message to the Kremlin that American presidents used to send:
I want to be clear about the scale and nature of these actions.
Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea was the first time since the Second World War that one sovereign nation has forcibly taken territory from another in Europe.
Since then, Russia has fomented violence in the Donbas, repeatedly violated the air space of several European countries, and mounted a sustained campaign of cyberespionage and disruption.
This has included meddling in elections and hacking the Danish Ministry of Defense and the Bundestag, among many others.
It is seeking to weaponize information, deploying its state-run media organizations to plant fake stories and Photoshopped images in an attempt to sow discord in the West and undermine our ins utions.
May had a “very simple message” for the Kremlin.
“We know what you were doing and you will not succeed,”
she said,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/o...er=rss&emc=rss
Does this stupid, ignorant CONSERVATIVE lady realize that BREXIT that she so enthusiastically supports is part of the Pootin plot to divide and weaken Europe?
iow, Pootin has ALREADY SUCCEEDED by getting BREXIT passed.
Nigel Farage was/is the champion of BREXIT, as a Pootin operative.
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Of course Nigel Farage is a player in the Russia story
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/143029/course-nigel-farage-player-russia-story
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Again, as in the USA and Repugs, it's the British conservatives who love getting cornholed by Pootin.
Yes pudding hurt both sides equally.
Republicans hacked both the RNC and DNC but released only the DNC emails
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politi...sia/index.html
Russian Twitter accounts promoted Brexit ahead of EU referendum: Times newspaper
Russian Twitter accounts posted almost 45,000 messages about Brexit in the 48 hours around last year’s referendum
in an attempt to sow discord during the vote on whether to leave the European Union, the Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.
The Times cited research from an upcoming paper by data scientists at Swansea University and the University of California, Berkeley, which it said showed accounts based in Russia had tweeted about Brexit in the days leading up to the June 23 vote.
The Times said
most of the tweets seen by the newspaper encouraged people to vote for Brexit,
although a number advocated remaining in the EU. It quoted Tho Pham, one of the paper’s authors, as saying “the main conclusion is that bots were used on purpose and had influence”.
The research tracked 156,252 Russian accounts that mentioned #Brexit, including one, Svetal1972 which posted 92 tweets between June 20 and 24, including one
calling for Britain to “make June the 23rd our Independence Day”.
It said many of the messages appear to have come from automated accounts known as bots or from cyborg accounts which are heavily automated but have some human involvement.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/russian-twitter-accounts-promoted-brexit-ahead-of-eu-referendum-times-newspaper/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
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Trump campaign was a chaotic, bumbling mess, except for its consistency on one issue: Russia
Its essence is that the Trump campaign was such an ungodly, bumbling mess that
it was simply incapable of colluding with the Russians in their campaign to undermine Hillary Clinton,
help Donald Trump get elected, and
generally disrupt and discredit the American electoral system.
As weaselly a defense as that may seem, it contains a good bit of truth.
With each new revelation about the campaign’s contacts with Russia, a picture is filling out.
It’s one not of a well-organized collusion conspiracy, but instead of
a bunch of nincompoops engaging in a kind of ongoing, ad hoc, fitful sort-of-collusion,
one that involved lots of meetings,
lots of emails, and
lots of contacts between various Russians with Kremlin connections and people at different levels of the campaign.
just because Trump's campaign was stacked with a battalion of rogue "nincompoops" doesn't relieve them of culpability.
Regardless of how muddled the campaign hierarchy was, it was riddled with attempts to connect with Russian operatives. Just look at this cursory list:
- Trump repeatedly heaped praise on Russian President Vladimir Putin, openly begged Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails and declared his "love" for Wikileaks (a "hostile intelligence service" that was often abetted by "state actors like Russia"), mentioning the site 145 times during the final month of the campaign.
- Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and campaign chair Paul Manafort all met with several Russians at Trump Tower, including a Kremlin-linked lawyer and a former Russian counterintelligence officer.
- Don Jr. further communicated and coordinated with Wikileaks, the service that was distributing the emails Russian hackers stole from the Clinton campaign.
- Jeff Sessions talked with Russian Ambassador Surgey Kislyak—twice, and reportedly was informed of the Russian contacts of both Papadopoulos and Page, regardless of his faltering memory.
- Mike Flynn had repeated contacts with Kislyak during the campaign and transition; he also received a payment in 2015 from the Russian state media company, RT.
- Carter Page made a speech in Moscow in 2016 and spoke with Russian government officials while he was there; he also met with Ambassador Kislyak at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.
- George Papadopoulos had multiple contacts with Russians, some of whom were connected to Putin; he told campaign aides Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort, Sam Clovis, and Stephen Miller about those contacts.
These are just the top lines of what we in the public know;
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre
What? Republicans are hacking...
Bottomline:
Russia's motive is to create chaos. They put out a lot of fake stuff to suit the needs of conservatives and liberal pet peeves. Unfortunately our president is somehow blind to this. If you really think Russia is excited about Trump... No. The chaos has now led to unpredictability with how the US might react. They don't like this at all. Creating discord, check. Making the US "behave", No.
I guarantee there are people within the Kremlin that would rather deal with Clinton. The Russians understand unintended consequences, they are not stupid, just horribly corrupt and authoritarian. People on this board try to assign clear cut moves and tie them to outcomes.... the world does not work this way. It never has.
Last edited by pgardn; 11-15-2017 at 05:25 PM.
Some yes. But the vast majority of Russian efforts benefitted Trumps campaign over Clinton. This was reflective of Russian government views.
https://www.vice.com/sv/article/8qbb...lped-trump-win
I have read multiple analyses that all say the Russian government hated Clinton, and viewed Trump as both more friendly, and easily manipulated.
If you want to say that anyone in the Russian government would rather deal with Clinton, I whole-heartedly encourage you to attempt to support that assertion. Don't take my word for it, get out there and see what you can find.
They hated Clinton, and still do.
If I could re-name this thread, that would be it. Sums up the whole thing rather aptly.
Steve King goes HAM
"all of this leads to Barack Obama..."
Steve Ding tbh.
nincompoops ... so nasty!
en led, amoral, immoral, corrupt, lying pricks, all of them
Ivanka says if the tax cut for her rotten ilk passes, I'll be able to hire tutors to teach Mandarin to the neighborhood kids.
That's right just pull the covers over your head, and ding away the scary monsters
This post is ironic.That's right just pull the covers over your head, and ding away the scary monsters
Tell me what needs to be investigated in your own words, Chris.
No we're not playing that game. Did you have something to say about the video, or are you still too cynical to learn anything?
I learned you don't really want to discuss these issues you claim to be important.
So six moonbat dems introduced articles of impeachment today. Why’d they leave poor Maxine out?
Mike Pence Can't Keep His Lies Straight, and It's Starting to Catch Up with Him
Does the VP expect us to believe he knew nothing of Don Jr.'s contact with Wikileaks?
It's time for another round of "Is Mike Pence actually as incompetent as he looks, or is he just a liar?"
Despite a flat denial previously offered by then-vice presidential candidate Mike Pence, the direct message transcripts appear to show the president’s oldest son communicating with WikiLeaks between September 2016 and July 2017.
On the same morning Pence claimed on Fox News that the Trump campaign wasn't "in cahoots" with WikiLeaks -- which was then orchestrating the release of Hillary Clinton’s hacked emails -- Trump Jr. tweeted out a link reportedly provided to him by WikiLeaks.
“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Pence told “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy when asked on Oct. 14, 2016, about reports of coordination between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks.
So what did Mike Pence not know and when did he not know it?
Are we to continue to believe that Pence was not "in the know," or
are we to believe that he has repeatedly been untruthful?
Recall that on March 9, Pence claimed on Fox News that he had only just heard about Michael Flynn’s lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.
A May report indicated, however, that during the presidential transition, Flynn had informed Pence's team that he was under federal investigation for not properly disclosing the paid work back in January.
Pence also said during the transition that Flynn had not discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador, which also turned out to be untrue.
On a different occasion, Pence said the transition was not seeking a security clearance for Flynn's son, Michael Flynn Jr., which was also false.
Pence’s story this time around is apparently that he was somehow the odd man out -- yet again.
challenging, at minimum, to believe Pence had no idea.
Whether the vice president has any knowledge of or involvement in collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian agents remains unknown,
but he is certainly up to his eyeballs in falsehoods and deceptions on the matter.
Unfortunately for Pence, appearing to be clueless and incompetent is not a defense that will protect him from Robert Mueller or other investigators.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ting-catch-him
So, no one else finds it strange that the Hillary Clinton's campaign attorney, Marc Elias (Perkins Coie), hired Fusion GPS who hired ex-MI6 agent Christopher Steele who colluded with the Russians to compile a fake dossier to try and affect U.S. Election?
Further, the founder of Fusion GPS colluded with Russian attorney to entrap Donald Trump, Jr.
In short, Hillary colluded with the Russians to make it look like Trump colluded with the Russians and we're all okay with this?
Remember, one of Kushner's first faux pas was trying setting a crypto channel from the WH to Putin, to be beyond the reach of US IC.
"fake dossier"
except for pee s, nearly everything in your "fake" dossier, initially unbelievable, has been discovered to be UNfake.
I read that videos of the Trash and Pee s (his emo/punk band after he leaves the WH) are around in various hands.
Do you not find it strange that Trump publicly called for Russia to find "Hillary's emails", after top-level staffers in his campaign had been emailing about meeting Russians for these emails?
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