Raymond Green is overrated AF

[Mr. Body]

dno how you could have watched, say, the pre-durant warriors and say those guys didnt have great chemistry

They're basically a bunch of rich kids living in a rich area with bandwagon fans who dont know anything about basketball.

[Mr. Body]

spurstalk will (correctly) look back at boris diaw fondly as a frontcourt passer/playmaker. he averaged over 5 assists per game exactly 1 time in his career. raymond has averaged over 6 apg for 8 straight seasons, while also consistently being one of the best and versatile defenders in the NBA throughout his career. we'd be extremely fortunate if sochan became another draymond

still convinced spurstalk hates draymond because he used to get "best defender in the league" talk during the time when we loved #2 for the same. just like how rapist fans all hated lebron during kobe's career

Boris played in one of the most intense defensive eras in basketball history when scores were regularly in the 80s-90s. He played with Nash, who was first second and third passing option on their team. Draymond plays in an era where it's impossible to play defense with two of the best shooters the game has seen, an era when scores are regularly in the 120s-130s.

I haven't seen a GSW-Denver game where Draymond didn't jam his fingers into Nicola Jokic's eyesockets. Seriously it happens every time. This series, he's already very deliberately 'accidentally' clawed Lyles in the face and is very clearly trying to hurt Sabonis whenever possible.

There are reasons. You just got to actually care when someone is trying to physically injure people.

[ambchang]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

[spurraider21]

we hate him for his loud mouth and personality

we loved jack for that until he wasnt with the team anymore

[ChumpDumper]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

Green had to be suspended one game at the very least. That can't be rewarded.

[spurraider21]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

suspension was completely justified. i wouldnt have disagreed if it was 2 games tbh

[Seventyniner]

People are saying the league over reacted by suspending Draymond and that it puts the warriors at a disadvantage without acknowledging Sabonis, the most important player on the kings, will likely be injured because of the actions of Draymond that led to his own suspension. It just blows my mind sometimes.

imo the suspension should be however many games Sabonis misses plus one.

[jjspur]

suspension was completely justified. i wouldnt have disagreed if it was 2 games tbh

I'm actually surprised it didn't go to 2 games. Its one thing to intentionally foul, its another to angrily stomp on a guy. Yeah the suspension was completely justified.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Draymond sucks ass. I'm hoping the Warriors get swept, but there have been a sh!t-ton of 0-2 comebacks the last couple of playoffs.

[JPB]

Did I just read someone suggesting Green was better than Bobo?

[TD 21]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

[Mr. Body]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

The media about Greene is pathetic. He's been trying to hurt Sabonis since the start of the series.

[slick'81]

Mini arvydas ting on warriors

[daslicer]

The national coverage is predictably completely biased. Way too many Warriors fanboys/girls (Andrew, Spears, Lowe are some of the worst) in the media who can't be objective with anything involving them.

Now they've got their built in excuse if the Kings finish the job, while somehow pretending he's a victim and that they're not in the midst of the luckiest run in history.

The gaslighting the media is doing for Draymond is insane. I feel in this current media environment that Draymond could go shoot someone with a gun during a game and they would still find way to paint Draymond as the victim by saying something stupid such as "You can't blame Draymond he was threatened, and his life was at stake anybody would do the same in that situation."

I wonder where all these biases come from within the media. The only thing that I can reason with is these guys' bosses have told them to slurp the Warriors as much as possible for greed since the Warriors in their eyes equals ratings and money.

[ambchang]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/11698036002/

[daslicer]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/11698036002/

JJ is a clown it's also well-known he is good friends with Draymond. He's done a few podcasts with him so he's going to be ridiculously biased in Draymond's favor.

[spurraider21]

Did I just read someone suggesting Green was better than Bobo?

was more than a suggestion

[TD 21]

I wonder where all these biases come from within the media. The only thing that I can reason with is these guys' bosses have told them to slurp the Warriors as much as possible for greed since the Warriors in their eyes equals ratings and money.

As I've been saying for years, no one has played the game within' the game like the Warriors (Craptors are a close second).

Granted, Kerr was essentially in the media as a broadcaster for a while and in a sense, Myers was too (agents use national big wigs to filter information) and they along with Lacob, Curry, Thompson and Green are all media friendly and their style of play is appealing to casuals so they're good for business as well, but still.

The lack of objectivity is appalling.

[rjv]

As I've been saying for years, no one has played the game within' the game like the Warriors (Craptors are a close second).

Granted, Kerr was essentially in the media as a broadcaster for a while and in a sense, Myers was too (agents use national big wigs to filter information) and they along with Lacob, Curry, Thompson and Green are all media friendly and their style of play is appealing to casuals so they're good for business as well, but still.

The lack of objectivity is appalling.

it's not only that; many of them are just downright cheerleaders for certain players and teams. stephen a. is a perennial front runner, greenie is an apologist and yes man, windhorst is unabashedly sycophantic (to lebron particularly) and so on. denver, sac town, and milwaukee (even philly to a lesser extent) are experiencing what the spurs did during their run, being ignored so that the preferred teams are pandered to. this is the NBA's problem, promoting the hand-picked rather than the league and the game itself.

[cd98]

So now it is Sabonis is dirty? WTH? Oh, he's not a dirty player, he just has dirty plays. What does that even mean?

Of all the plays he wanted to call out the one Sabonis had a light shove for a rebound? Really? This is comical.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/11698036002/

Refs are favoring the Kings for once? I think the Refs owe them for that debacle Western Conference Finals performance where the league ensured that the Lakers beat the Kings.

[cd98]

Don't we all agree that Sabonis was a little bit of an actor? I mean the Kings are in a position where they need to say that Sabonis is "questionable." I'm not saying Green is excused from the stomp. I mean, part of the game is mental toughness and he prides himself on being a "thinker" and then he does the stomp and proves himself wrong. At the same time, Sabonis looked like a world-class soccer player writhing in "pain" and probably on his stomach for a bit to try and hide the smirk on his face.

If he is legit injured and doesn't play, then I'll concede. But if he is "questionable" leaning "probable" then I call it a hoax.

[slick'81]

[Mr. Body]

Don't we all agree that Sabonis was a little bit of an actor? I mean the Kings are in a position where they need to say that Sabonis is "questionable."

No.

But nice ESPN level take.

Try getting stomped on the chest. See how you feel. Man barely drew iron on one free throw and then airballed the other. He was clearly in pain.

I just don't get where these takes come from.

[JPB]

was more than a suggestion

Boris was the ultimate, gifted, talented do-it-all BB player who, when engaged, had 5 Greens in every finger. They're not on the same league but boris was just too lazy and easy going to have the career he could have had. Put him in that GS team with two of the best 3Pt shooters in history in a 3PT era and he would averaged 7-8 assists/game with bunches of trip dubs.

Ask prime Bobo to call his number to score 30, and he will. Ask Raymond and he won't. He's always been a blue collar guy while Boris was pure BB. just comparing any category of the game and Boris is mostly ahead in terms of skills (passing, posting,shooting...). Boris was also a of a defender when motivated, without fouling 5 times a play. I take prime Bobo over prime Raymond without even thinking.

[spurraider21]

Boris was the ultimate, gifted, talented do-it-all BB player who, when engaged, had 5 Greens in every finger. They're not on the same league but boris was just too lazy and easy going to have the career he could have had. Put him in that GS team with two of the best 3Pt shooters in history in a 3PT era and he would averaged 7-8 assists/game with bunches of trip dubs.

Ask prime Bobo to call his number to score 30, and he will. Ask Raymond and he won't. He's always been a blue collar guy while Boris was pure BB. just comparing any category of the game and Boris is mostly ahead in terms of skills (passing, posting,shooting...). Boris was also a of a defender when motivated, without fouling 5 times a play. I take prime Bobo over prime Raymond without even thinking.

its a lot of coulda woulda. he was too lazy? ok thats a detriment to him. one thing you cant say about green is that he was lazy.

diaw had some unique offensive skill, but green has also been an elite defensive player throughout his career while also providing plus playmaking and generally being clutch for them. diaw doesnt have a single all star appearance. he doesnt have a single all nba appearance. or all defense appearance. green is a 4x all star, 2x all nba, 7x all defensive player.

both were basically functioning as high end glue guys on their teams. green just did it better and for longer.