Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[Spur-Addict]

Of course they just want to see where he is. And I think he flashed his talent. But he also showed his lack of intangibles. As I said, he's the Bizarro Arcidiacono. Ryan has it all ready to go upstairs, but he's just not built for the NBA. He makes everyone around him better, but he himself is not good enough. Murray has everything he needs below the neck to be a 10-year starter. But upstairs is all AU for him right now. Neither of them are rotation players at this point, but obviously Murray is a lot closer. We'll see how he adapts once Becky is his primary coach. She did a good job at making Simmons more focused during the SL last year.

Yeah, this is all true. It can take time to break these sorts of habits, especially at that age. And being in this system is challenging for most vets in year one let alone for a 19 year old rookie. I do think a lot of this is "eager to please/show out/prove other teams wrong that passed" etc etc etc. But it's also a massive reflection of his playing style. It's nice that there's a day of rest here to see what they'll look to instill into him mentally. There's a long road here regardless in regards to fitting into this playing style. But if he just comes out chucking and they don't say anything, then I'll have to assume this is instruction. With Pop it's well known that, a hard head makes a soft ass. So I think we'll see a gradual transition in Vegas. Yes, he'll revert to what has worked for him when he struggles and there will be bumps, but at the same time he has an ability that we are lacking that comes rather naturally, the ability to penetrate and create space without a pick.

So, depending upon how cohesive he is towards the end of summer, and camp, I think there's an outside chance he sees the floor in short bursts.

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray is exactly the PG that the Spurs wanted regardless of what he showed at Washington or his reputation is. If they wanted a different kind of PG they would have taken on another project piece and maybe Arci is that guy.

Murray checks off so many boxes that the Spurs need. Can he move without the basketball, Yes.. which is good because the Spurs are trying to get Kawhi to be more of the focal point of the offense anyway. So his ability to slash will be great when Kawhi is handling the ball.. If he can finish consistently around the rim that means he'll draw defenders which means he can pass the ball to open shooters.

Can he shoot the ball? Not really.. his mechanics look really bad and he's inconsistent with muscle memory when he makes 1 or 2 but that can be corrected.. Shooting is one of the easiest things to fix unless you have absolutely no touch whatsoever.. It's going to take hours and hours of gym time where all he does is sit there and get harped about proper mechanics and film study. The only way he fails as a shooter is if he is lazy and decides to just live by his athleticism which I don't think he will.

Can he dribble the ball? Yup.. He's quite capable of beating his man off dribble with his first step and he has some moves to get them off balance. Does this help? Yup.. because it means it shifts the defenses focus.. As good as Parker is at running what the Spurs run he doesn't have speed anymore and he doesn't have handles to break down guys who D him up.. Most of them just go under screens anyway letting him take an 18 footer and they'll live with that. Murray as he develops will be able to press the issue by engaging these sagging off players and making them bite at penetration.

Does he need to be a pass first kind of PG who lives off PnR? Nope.. the league is changing and the Spurs are getting with the times. I think the Spurs can bring him along slowly.. RC said he wasn't going to set the world on fire but I believe within the next 2 seasons he'll have a starting job at the PG.. I think the Spurs can do a lot of unique things with his skill set running the point and by then his shot should be more consistent.

[SAGirl]

Trade Mills, give the backup to Murray, use the money to unstretch Tim's contract. Force TD back by blackmail, extortion, promises of paint ball tournaments, whatever...

I had to laugh at the TD comment my friend.

[raybies]

As good as chinook is at the cap and analytics, he is as equally bad as a talent evaluator.

He has his love affairs with some players that are decent but no one is perfect with talent evaluations. Although i think in this case Murray has got AllStar potential as a Starting point guard rather than sixth man which is a possibility at this point. Just depends what we need and how we are forced to use him. Parker was similar to him. Shoot first point guard that could get to the rim and was lightning quick. He couldn't shoot and he didn't have the vision and still doesn't. Pop use to tell Parker to refer to Stockton and be somewhere in the middle. Remember? It was on the 2003 championship dvd I believe. Now a days Pop might feed him video of Chris Paul as someone to look up to. It's perfectly fair to let him play today and see what you got. Then you know where to start. Too bad Forcier left cause we could use his development skills with this kid. I think it starts with his shot and techniques on the defensive end. He's got a lot going for him.

[raybies]

What are you guys thoughts on Kyle? 23 points 7 assist 10 rebounds 3 steals, he is just so awkward but it works some of his shots that go in or how he gets to the rim are just mind boggling, but hey it works.

IMO He's definitely suited to play the four. If he can get a reliable three then he can be a Bobo type player. I just want to see him back his guy down closer to the rim instead of taking fadaways. But he's got point forward capabilities which is very valuable in today's NBA. I'm sure a lot of teams are wishing they didn't pass on him.

[cd98]

Hope they can develop this kid quickly and get him to play tough defense. With a 6'5 pg, Danny at the 2, and Kawhi, it would remind me of that dominant Bulls press of Harper, Jordan, and Pippen that used to swallow point guards whole.

[BillMc]

I had to laugh at the TD comment my friend.

[raybies]

Hope they can develop this kid quickly and get him to play tough defense. With a 6'5 pg, Danny at the 2, and Kawhi, it would remind me of that dominant Bulls press of Harper, Jordan, and Pippen that used to swallow point guards whole.

So vital that he becomes a good defender. He has the tools. He just relies on his physical tools too much. Needs to play defense smarter, more solid. He needs to learn better positioning.

[TheGoldStandard]

So vital that he becomes a good defender. He has the tools. He just relies on his physical tools too much. Needs to play defense smarter, more solid. He needs to learn better positioning.

I think he will get really solid at defense once he's given a crash course in it.. I don't think he's been asked to play stellar defense so he just uses what his genetic gifts are. The positive is that he seems to want to work.

[SAGirl]

Well consensus on Simmons/Murray is that they are very similar in skillset but Simmons is more experienced in the system and will get the playing time. Independently of Murray, he was already on his own schedule to improve or find himself as a marginal roleplayer anyways. Murray has nothing to do with that.

Murray is 19, will go to Austin, get a lot of playing time, work on his shot and his defense. Next Summer League he has to pull an Anderson his second season and showed he's improved in all deficient areas. Very young kid, with definite swiftness and talent. Maybe Pop will play him early in the season and do his bit of yelling. Will play when Manu rests some.

Simmons is likely to be much more under control when he's not a go to guy and plays within a system.

[BackHome]

Murray is going to be a starter........for the Austin Toros........He can and will get better but he needs to spend time with Chip and also get some hard loving coaching. If he can drop the en lement/ego thing then the sky is the limit. For me I hope they play him as a PG and have game where they say no shooting only passing and other games they say green light.

[Tully365]

KA is still only 22 years old. Look at the improvement in his Per 100 possessions stats from his rookie to his sop re year. If he shows that same level of improvement in year 3, he's most likely a keeper.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...anderky01.html

[SpursBig3s]

in for later

[Kawhitstorm]

The luckiest thing that happened to Kyrie and LeBum was his ty game winning 3 in 7. Kyrie is a dumb player.

I guess Lillard is a GREAT player b/c he made a 3 to beat HarDone & Dwert.

Kyrie was the best point guard in the ENTIRE postseason & was ridiculously efficient: http://bkref.com/tiny/rGGl4

All-NBA point guards:

WestBrick: Got BADLY outplayed by Wardell in the last 3 games of the WCF
Lillard: Choke-P3 was abusing him before he broke his wrist
Choke-P3: On the wrong side of 30
Lowry: One of the worst chokers in postseason history
Dragic: Was getting outplayed by Jeremy Lin
Wall: Rondo 2.0
Unanimous MVP: Got destroyed by Kyrie

The best PG in the NBA is LeBron, tbh.

[GSH]

KA is still only 22 years old. Look at the improvement in his Per 100 possessions stats from his rookie to his sop re year. If he shows that same level of improvement in year 3, he's most likely a keeper.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...anderky01.html

A lot of people here (probably most, if I remember right) thought CoJo was a bust, through his second season. So, yeah, it could happen. But the fact that you're talking about it says that you recognize that he needs to improve quite a bit still.

The problem with projects is that we make them eat their spinach, they grow up big and strong... and then we can't afford to keep them. That just got 10x worse with this new cap.

[Kawhitstorm]

A lot of people here (probably most, if I remember right) thought CoJo was a bust, through his second season. So, yeah, it could happen. But the fact that you're talking about it says that you recognize that he needs to improve quite a bit still.

People forget that Draymond Green was a bum for the first 2 seasons of his career despite staying for all 4 years at Michigan: http://bkref.com/tiny/pQx93

[Tully365]

A lot of people here (probably most, if I remember right) thought CoJo was a bust, through his second season. So, yeah, it could happen. But the fact that you're talking about it says that you recognize that he needs to improve quite a bit still.

His growth has been pretty steady, and he's the Magic Johnson of this summer league, so all the signs are good. My hope is he becomes a quality 7th/8th man, nothing more than that. It's hard to argue with a 100 point jump in FG%, a 50 point jump in 3ptFG%, and 7.1 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1.7 steals per 36min...

[Kawhitstorm]

That would be interesting. The team looks to have like $28 Million in cap space. If he's willing to take that, I think it would be ideal

I really don't see what better option Chris Paul has if he doesn't want to re-sign w/ the Cripples since the Cavs/Duds have elite PGs. He once requested to be traded to the Knicks so he could play w/ his buddy Carmelo so that could be another option if Noah/Melo aren't washed up. I'm hoping that D-Rose has a contract year & force Phil Jackson to re-sign him.

Logistically, Manu/Patty are most likely gone next summer thus Tony can be the 6th man which is a needed security blanket since CP3 is ALWAYS seemingly injured in the postseason. (Tony/Cp3 are also buddies & Tim is a big brother figure to CP3 so they could help recruit him to the Alamo)

[SpurPadre]

KA is still only 22 years old. Look at the improvement in his Per 100 possessions stats from his rookie to his sop re year. If he shows that same level of improvement in year 3, he's most likely a keeper.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...anderky01.html

no matter how good he gets, ka will always be a liability and unplayable against uber athletic teams, let alone the Dubs.

[RD2191]

Chinook has lost his damn mind. Judging a player after 1 summer league game. Gtfo.

[Kawhitstorm]

no matter how good he gets, ka will always be a liability and unplayable against uber athletic teams, let alone the Dubs.

He was actually one of the better players against the Duds last season.

[SpurPadre]

He was actually one of the better players against the Duds last season.

show me the numbers that prove that.

[Tully365]

no matter how good he gets, ka will always be a liability and unplayable against uber athletic teams, let alone the Dubs.

Even if he's playing PF? According to 82games.com. that's where he was most effective last year: http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS8.HTM

[SpurPadre]

Even if he's playing PF? According to 82games.com. that's where he was most effective last year: http://www.82games.com/1415/14SAS8.HTM

Interesting but I just can't trust his slow ass against certain teams in meaningful minutes. It would be a disaster waiting to happen.

[Kawhitstorm]

show me the numbers that prove that.

He's most likely going to be playing the 4 this season, so let's look at how he fared when Diaw was out against the Duds:

-Led the team in rebounding while D-Worst had ZERO in 23 minutes: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...604070GSW.html

-Led the bench in rebounding: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...604100SAS.html