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    FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.
    it's a political proceeding. for better and for worse the only rules are self-imposed. the GOP is under no obligation to subpoena witnesses.
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    Ford runs circles around hapless Republicans, who now have a second scandal

    she has accepted the Senate Judiciary Committee’s request to testify about her allegation next week while signaling that a final deal on her testimony has not been reached.

    she and her client got the headlines they wanted: Ford is coming to tell her story.

    Ford attorney Debra Katz repeatedly has stared down Republican Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), swatting away one artificial deadline after another.

    If Republicans were hoping to intimidate Ford it didn’t work.

    Rather it revealed that there is a slim chance, more than zero, that

    Republicans might not have the votes after this next week.


    In the past 48 hours or so

    Republicans have made repeated, stupid mistakes that have not helped their position.

    President Trump attacked Ford, asserting she would have gone to the police as a 15-year-old

    if the attempted rape was “that bad.”

    Collins pronounced herself “appalled.”

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) repeatedly vowed he would confirm Kavanaugh.

    They’d “plow through” he declared, a remarkable confession that

    they’ll bulldoze Ford and vote to confirm no matter what.

    The public can conclude Republicans have no problem sitting Kavanaugh even if Ford’s claim is true.

    it appears someone communicated her name to Whelan before it was made public.

    (Last Sunday, “Ford alerted an associate via email that Whelan had looked at her LinkedIn page,

    someone told Whelan what was up,

    and any coordination with Kavanaugh (for example, via the right-wing PR outfit CRC, who hyped Whelan’s revelation),

    would be separate grounds for denying him confirmation and

    would also

    ensnare the judge in the host of civil and ethical problems Whelan created.

    an employee of CRC on loan to the Senate Judiciary Committee,
    Garrett Ventry, resigned for falsifying his résumé and for alleged sexual harassment.

    Even if they had tried, Republicans could have not done a better job demonstrating
    their bias,
    inep ude,
    unseriousness,
    meanness,
    unfairness and
    general lack of empathy.
    empathy,Repugs? They empathize with poverty of the oligarchy

    There are now at least two related scandals :

    1.) Whether Kavanaugh attacked Ford and now is lying, and

    2.) the iden ies of those involved in a reprehensible scheme to pin a crime on someone for which there is zero evidence of wrongdoing.

    It remains to be seen if Republicans either themselves or through an outside lawyer have the nerve to grill Ford about the attack on her and the lifetime of trauma it unleashed.

    Free advice:

    Cut their losses,

    get Kavanaugh to withdraw and

    promise a better nominee with no baggage later this year or next.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1


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    FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.
    there's no guarantee of procedural fairness to either party or truth finding according to judicial standards of proof.

    the ultimate determination and the way there will be political. that's as designed.

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    Thursday at 10AM. Public Hearing.

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    Thursday at 10AM. Public Hearing.
    If the car doesn’t break down.

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    Aren't Repugs DENYING any 3rd parties?

    I bet Ford's friends, family have more to say about Ford post-attack, then K's friends have to say about him post-attack.

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    If the car doesn’t break down.
    You sound scared.

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    I don’t think it does anything to derail. It just shows he has nothing to disprove it out of hand right now. But that’s generally the case when you have to prove a negative.

    There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmation and has been running the delay tactic from behind the scenes, including possibly paying Ford’s attorneys fees and for the lie detector test. I think that type of stuff is way more damaging than what Whelan did.
    of course you do. what's your source on that?

    Ford risking family life and reputation just to delay a judicial nomination isn't a wildly plausible -- and certainly not a strategically effective -- tactic. it's highly improbable the Democrats will win the Senate. even if such a stalling tactic delayed the nomination past the midterm, or even sank Kavanaugh, in November we'd be right back where we are now.

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    You sound scared.


    No, I can’t wait for this show to start.

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    FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.
    You've set moronic standards to continue to dismiss any conclusion. Congrats you are covered.
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    There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmation
    Source?

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    Hearing set.

    No subpoena of the possible accomplice in this alleged crime.
    No other witnesses accepted. (husband/therapist who can testify of Dr. Ford's issues, statements, fears,character,etc)
    No FBI investigation (re-opening of FBI background investigation due to new allegations)


    S-H-A-M

    What better way to avoid truth?
    GOP will say - "only two people testified - we have no reason to believe one or the other - he said/she said"
    and confirm as they already decided to before -


    S-H-A-M

    Party of "family values"

    "this is not a criminal process" "35 yrs ago" "why didn't she _______?"
    in 5-4-3-2......

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    Hearing set.

    No subpoena of the possible accomplice in this alleged crime.
    No other witnesses accepted. (husband/therapist who can testify of Dr. Ford's issues, statements, fears,character,etc)
    No FBI investigation (re-opening of FBI background investigation due to new allegations)


    S-H-A-M

    What better way to avoid truth?
    GOP will say - "only two people testified - we have no reason to believe one or the other - he said/she said"
    and confirm as they already decided to before -


    S-H-A-M

    Party of "family values"

    "this is not a criminal process" "35 yrs ago" "why didn't she _______?"
    in 5-4-3-2......
    Ford was lucky to get a hearing at all. Had there been a few more Senators willing to go along, the vote would be Monday.

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    until the Ed Whelan self-immolation and the Trump tweets (another unforced error that put pressure on Collins and Murkowski), I felt pretty sure that's where we were headed.

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    until the Ed Whelan self-immolation...

    Keep carrying that torch

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    oh, you believe Ed?

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    Keep carrying that torch
    team red screwed it up for their nominee.

    if they hadn't we might not be where we are now.

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    no hearing, no re-litigating Kavanaugh's background, no questions about throwing an innocent middle-school teacher under the bus.

    there'd be a brisk vote to confirm tomorrow and we'd be done.

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    oh, you believe Ed?
    Where did I say that?

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    for the record, I think Kavanaugh will squeak through. that's what I've thought all along.

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    no hearing, no re-litigating Kavanaugh's background, no questions about throwing an innocent middle-school teacher under the bus.

    there'd be a brisk vote to confirm tomorrow and we'd be done.
    no 3rd parties allowed to speak

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    there's no obligation to let them.

    there are things about this hearing that will be unfair to Kavanaugh, and things that will be unfair to Ford.

    rushing for the exit is about the best the Senate can do. pretending to be a court of law would be an even bigger show.

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    A new Fox News poll reveals that Brett Kavanaugh is in trouble

    The accusations by Christine Blasey Ford have had a negative effect on Kavanaugh’s reputation

    The poll, which was released on Sunday, found that

    only 40 percent of voters would vote to confirm Kavanaugh

    while 50 percent would oppose doing so.

    By contrast, last month

    45 percent of voters said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh and

    46 percent said they would oppose doing so.

    It also found that voters were ambivalent about the attempted rape accusations made against Kavanaugh by California research psychologist Christine Blasey Ford:

    While 36 percent of the voters polled believe Ford and

    30 percent believe Kavanaugh,

    34 percent say they are unsure who is telling the truth.

    https://www.salon.com/2018/09/23/a-n...is-in-trouble/

    polls don't count,

    citizens don't count,

    the Repugs will do whatever the oligarchy pays it to do, and

    turning SCOTUS into pro-oligarchy, partisan, politicized kangaroo court is what the oligarchy has paid for.


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    Where did I say that?
    you got touchy about me pointing out that he screwed up. do you think he didn't?

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    you got touchy about me pointing out that he screwed up. do you think he didn't?
    So, he screwed up. Beyond that, what’s your point?

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