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    8% raises are only for Bird Rights contracts. Max raises the Spurs could give Luke would be 5%. I think it's more likely this is a descending deal.
    Gotcha. Just saw that on my Google AI search. In that case there won’t be much MLE left over.

    So the best the Spurs can give Yabu is the full BAE which is maxed at 2 years in length so 2/$10.5M. He can prob get more than that elsewhere I think. But we shall see.

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    Ps I think Yabu would take the starting role over HB. If he signs here.
    Totally overrating Yabusele. He is a third stringer for a reason. The Spurs need some shooting to surround Victor. The second unit needs some creators. Yabu, Sochan, Kornet, Carter Bryant, and Harper don't seem like such a bad unit.
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    I don’t think Yabu is that great fwiw but also don’t think HB is that great either outside of his shooting. Really poor rebounder and mediocre defensively.

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    Well it's getting late and I wonder if the deals are done for the day. No word on Yabusele is puzzling and is Duncan Robinson still out there?
    Regarding Yabusele, I think Denver is in play and can beat any Spurs offer. To be honest, Denver is probably a better situation. They are contenders.

    This current Spurs roster is weird. Not sure if they plan on fixing it either.

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    Barnes in the starting lineup is going to make it hard to be better than mediocre. He just doesn't rebound or defend well enough. Every minute with him is just another hard minute for Wemby, I can believe the rumors if him not wanting to play center as much

    I hope this community friendship nonsense isn't the basket barrier to including Barnes in a trade. It's just as stupid way to approach and handle a player who is already expiring and could be gone in a year anyway.

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    How much money do we have left guys?

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    How have the rockets paid for two good role players while obtaining KD? I am confused. We have one max player and someone only have enough for a Tax payer MLE?
    that‘s what happens when you don’t overpay mediocre role player just because of „culture“

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    Are we one move away from being stacked???/

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    Are we one move away from being stacked???/
    We actually are.

    Primary ballhandlers:
    Fox/Harper

    Point of attack defenders:
    Castle/Sochan

    Rim protectors:
    Wemby/Kornet

    Off the ball wings:
    (one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

    That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
    Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

    Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.

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    We actually are.

    Primary ballhandlers:
    Fox/Harper

    Point of attack defenders:
    Castle/Sochan

    Rim protectors:
    Wemby/Kornet

    Off the ball wings:
    (one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

    That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
    Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

    Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.
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    Thanks Sir!

    Our team now has some tools to work with, compared to the Great Drought years, haha.....

    What a turnaround....

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    With 2 roster spots left I think the spurs should bring in one more veteran. I think they should leave the last spot open in case someone impresses in Summer league or for potential buy outs. I prefer a shooter but doubling down on big would also make sense. This is the order I would be pursuing remaining free agents:


    Duncan Robinson - Shooter
    Amir Coffey - Shooter
    Caleb Houston - Shooter
    Eric Gordon - Shooter
    Guerschon Yabusele - Big
    Mo Wagner- Big
    Doug McDermott - shooter
    Larry Nance Jr. - Bench depth
    Brandon Boston Jr. - Bench depth


    Otherwise just choose between Bassey and Mamu.

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    With 2 roster spots left I think the spurs should bring in one more veteran. I think they should leave the last spot open in case someone impresses in Summer league or for potential buy outs. I prefer a shooter but doubling down on big would also make sense. This is the order I would be pursuing remaining free agents:


    Duncan Robinson - Shooter
    Amir Coffey - Shooter
    Caleb Houston - Shooter
    Eric Gordon - Shooter
    Guerschon Yabusele - Big
    Mo Wagner- Big
    Doug McDermott - shooter
    Larry Nance Jr. - Bench depth
    Brandon Boston Jr. - Bench depth


    Otherwise just choose between Bassey and Mamu.
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    Thanks Sir, i was just about to ask about this one......

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    They almost always leave the 15th spot open

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    We actually are.

    Primary ballhandlers:
    Fox/Harper

    Point of attack defenders:
    Castle/Sochan

    Rim protectors:
    Wemby/Kornet

    Off the ball wings:
    (one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

    That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
    Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

    Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.
    Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo

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    Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo
    You have my attention..

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    I thought Duncan Robinson was just an idiot for opting out of his $20 million last year of his contract. Only $10 million was guaranteed so he bet on himself thinking he could get $10 million a year somewhere else. I don’t dislike him but I don’t see why we would sign him other than a vet presence. Clearly he still wants to play and be a defensive traffic cone for some team. He is a progress stopper for one of the younger players. I prefer minutes going to the young wings we have.

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    What do we think of Precious Achuwa for front court depth? Just realized he’s a UFA.

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    Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo
    Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
    We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.

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    Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
    We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.
    Use of the many second rounders that the spurs have - goal would be to have better size while moving off contracts a year earlier

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    Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
    We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.
    I think Wiggins and DR are a better fit with the rest of our roster and their contracts can end earlier. Are there other deal that I'd prefer out there? Sure, but this is better than what we currently have.

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    Use of the many second rounders that the spurs have - goal would be to have better size while moving off contracts a year earlier
    But Wiggins isn't the size we need, imo.

    If we assume Fox/Castle/Harper are ballhandles and Wemby/Kornet are rim protectors, that leaves us with 96 minutes for two off the ball wing positions.
    Devin can get some guard minutes, but that's about it.

    We have Devin, Barnes, Keldon, Jeremy, Champagnie who who are all rotation players, but noone really stands out.
    We need addition by subtraction because if they're all on the roster on the opening night, you know noone other than maybe Champagnie will get DNPs. And even that would be really unfair since he's definitely more valuable than Keldon and enables his teammates better than Devin or Sochan.

    We're at the stage where I'd send a second rounder or two to the Wizards or Nets just so they take Keldon, he's a detriment in every aspect.
    I think Devin should also go, but I can understand if the front office still has hopes for him. But there's no hope for Keldon.

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    So let’s say this is pretty much the end of the offseason. We add 1-2 more vet min guys (presumably who won’t get more than 10 mpg) + give Minix/Ingram 2-way deals and call it a day. Let’s ignore potential Fox/Soxhan extensions for now…

    How would you guys grade the offseason? It would feel pretty bittersweet to me. On one hand, Harper and Bryant in the draft + Kornet in FA are all A+ moves that I’m very excited about. But it just feels so gross bringing back every single one of Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes/Wesley/Branham. I never seriously expected them to get rid of the majority of those guys in one offseason (lol RC_Drunkford ) but I really wanted us to at least mix it up some.

    I’d probably go with a B. All in all I really don’t think we can complain much: we practically didn’t get to see any of Fox/Wemby so I get that things might look different in the context of adding those 2 guys when they’re healthy. I’d just really like to see the Spurs have a little shorter of a leash with guys who are clearly flawed and don’t show much improvement for multiple years.

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    So the roster is

    Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
    Castle/Harper, Champagnie, Branham
    Vassell, Johnson, Bryant
    Barnes, Sochan, ______
    Wembanyama, Kornet, ______

    TW: Ingram, Minix, ______

    It could be worse. I mean, I think it's sort of a crime if Branham and Wesley get to play out full rookie contracts despite not showing anything of note. That's especially true given how many high-seconds the Spurs have traded out of during the past few drafts. Is their scouting apparatus so atrophied that they can't find high-floor guys in the 20's and 30's anymore? It really feels like they made the shift in 2021 to chase ceiling rather than production and simply can't look at prospects through both lenses simultaneously.

    In terms of free-agent signings, I'd like to see the team get the best center they can that doesn't require a rotation spot. Maybe that's Biyombo. It would have been nice if it were a guy like Raynaud, but that's in the past now. For the 15th spot, I'd actually like them to look into another guard. I don't think the Spurs should be looking at Wesley and Branham as anything other than contracts at this point. They shouldn't intend on either of them getting even spot minutes. I've been split-balling roughly 124 minutes for Fox, Harper, Vassell and Castle to share. I think that can hold on an average night. But when there are injuries, rest nights, foul trouble or whatever, they really can't expect the others to take too many minutes to make up for that. Sure, depending on who it is, they can slide some forwards to play the 2. But it would be nice to have a guard who can play 10-25 minutes every once in a while and do better than Malaki and Blake. Then finally for the two-way, I'd really like the team to grab that developmental center that they don't have on the 15.

    So something like this could be the roster going into the season:

    Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
    Castle/Harper, Devonte Graham, Branham
    Vassell, Johnson, Champagnie
    Barnes, Sochan, Bryant
    Wembanyama, Kornet, Biyombo

    TW: Ingram, Minix, Mensah

    Place-holder names in italics

    I would be disappointed in this roster, but am sort of resigned to it in the wake of the Durant trade. I get that the Spurs are apparently keeping their powder as dry as they can for another trade, and they absolutely need to make the RIGHT trade. But with guys like JJJ extending and the current trend of players seemingly choosing to avoid direct free agency, I don't know what options they'll have. It seems like Giannis, Luka or bust at this point.
    Devin at the 3 instead of Castle is going to be a disaster on defense. He has spent his entire career showing that he is not big enough strong enough or athletic enough to not only play defense at the 3 but he also can't generate any offense against them except long 2's.

    Castle loses all his size strength athleticism advantages at the 3 but he has to play it if Devin is starting. He has to play the 2

    Logicaly Champ should start at the 3 but the next logical thing the Spurs do will be the first one in a long time so not holding my breath.

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    Why are people so high on Yabusele? He can shoot but is also a complete sieve on defense. Due to his size he can pretty much only play power forward. 76ers were awful when he wasn't on the floor and a little less awful when he was. I guess the thinking is he is always paired with Kornet or Victor to protect him defensively?

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    So let’s say this is pretty much the end of the offseason. We add 1-2 more vet min guys (presumably who won’t get more than 10 mpg) + give Minix/Ingram 2-way deals and call it a day. Let’s ignore potential Fox/Soxhan extensions for now…

    How would you guys grade the offseason? It would feel pretty bittersweet to me. On one hand, Harper and Bryant in the draft + Kornet in FA are all A+ moves that I’m very excited about. But it just feels so gross bringing back every single one of Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes/Wesley/Branham. I never seriously expected them to get rid of the majority of those guys in one offseason (lol RC_Drunkford ) but I really wanted us to at least mix it up some.

    I’d probably go with a B. All in all I really don’t think we can complain much: we practically didn’t get to see any of Fox/Wemby so I get that things might look different in the context of adding those 2 guys when they’re healthy. I’d just really like to see the Spurs have a little shorter of a leash with guys who are clearly flawed and don’t show much improvement for multiple years.
    As a stand alone offseason it would be fine as Kornet is exactly what we need. However several teams in the West have gotten significantly better. Wemby, Fox, and Harper are going to have to be great together to close the gap, but that was always going to be the case. I had the Spurs penciled in for a playoff spot, but really the only spot up for grabs might be the Warriors and that's only if they don't get Hartford or some other decent big.

    The objective of the off season is not to just make your team better but make your team better than other teams on paper. Spurs most certainly haven't done the second part.

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