got it— tankathon must not have caught up yet.
Odds are they wouldn’t take that deal now, but that Milwaukee situation seems very combustible. Not sure what they’re expecting to get back for an aging, hurt, and overpaid Middleton— certainly not a 3:1 from a Houston who admittedly has better youth than us.
And they really have no other way to get better— who’s taking on 3 more years of Dame at this point?
They’re kinda screwed.
Who says no?
MIL: Herro; Keldon
MÍA: Dame
SAS: Robinson; MIA 30FRP + 28swap
Note: MIL can’t send OUT multiple players bc of apron thing.
I'd do Keldon for Robinson straight up... you're gonna also give me a FRP and a swap from an aging team?
Yes please!
lol, that would be a poor use of the decreasing Keldon contract tbh
The key take away in looking for trades for MIL is that these new apron restriction really make it hard for them to find a trade that moves the needle at all. Sucks to be them. Incredibly this trade aligns well on the numbers.
Due to the second apron a Milwaukee trade would be something like a player for player (or two maybe) with the incoming player having smaller salary than the outgoing and only a possible 2031 second rounder as bait(or a 2031 first swap, which they'd be crazy to do). Not looking good for them at all, especially since they're so top heavy in terms of salaries.
I'd love something like Zach Collins, Blake Wesley, 2 2nds for Brook Lopez. That's probably only possible if the Bucks continue to really struggle, including at the point of attack defensively and want to shake it up. Collins and Portis are redundant, but I think Doc undervalues Brook, and getting to 48 minutes of great rim protection (and, in the same way as CP3 is a point guard mentor, having Brook mentor Vic on all the big man positioning / 2.9ing / Screen setting stuff) would be really valuable.
After that, obviously, shooting is the priority. Hard to build a good offense without people the opposing team is scared of shooting 3s. Eventually, you're going to want some shooters that put the fear of god into opposing defences, though I don't think that's a this year thing.
I love it for the Spurs - but why does MIL do this deal? Lopez is expiring this year, and I can't see MIL wanting to add $23MM of salary year for a couple of SRPs
Because I'm dumb, didn't look at the fact that Brook Lopez only has this year left, having spent so much of the run up to the 2023 offseason concocting Brook Lopez FA dreams for a 3 year deal.
Probably not possible. Would need to make it a first (Charlotte's fakish first) or 4-5 high end 2nds (I think there's a case for this being very useful for asset deprived teams) to dump Zach's extra year, and I think that's maybe a bit much. Cap window for us looks like it should be the 2026 FA season, this wouldn't help.
Exactly, which makes it hard for them. My proposal above, incredibly, seems to be legal under those rules. Because it’s so hard, that should come with some sort of asset premium in my view.
Build your Sixers trades :-)
https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...%20next%20week.
There's nothing we'd be willing to give up and Sixers have interest in.
The only trades we can make at this point are upgrades with picks attached from our side.
Wemby, Devin, Jeremy and Castle are untouchable.
Champagnie is worth way more to us than what we'd get in a trade, noone is offering even a swap for him, let alone a FRP.
Branham, Wesley, Mamu, Bassey and Cissoko have no value other than being attached to match salaries.
Keldon, Collins and Tre are good contracts for salary matching, but have no value of their own.
Any combination between those three and a FRP or SRPs is what we should be focusing at.
But then again, looks like we won't come to close to the playoffs this season, so what's the point of sending FRPs unless we can get a legit long-term piece.
How did I miss that it's $50 million for four years they gave Paul George on this trash roster? Man are they screwed.
I'm starting to look at potential in-season trades, and I just have to reiterate my annoyance at the team burning more than half their room exception to get a 2031 second-rounder from SAC. The only way I can justify it is if this were spiritually part of the DeRozan trade. I've heard rumors things have changed this year, but at least under the previous rules, the Spurs would've been able to carry the entire $7.9-Million exception to the trade deadline. Maybe that would've gone unused, but the Spurs may well find themselves in position to where they want to add a significant player to their roster but don't have the contracts to do so.
Anyway, for this post, I'm going operate under the assumption that the Spurs are going to look to be a solid play-in team by the time the trade deadline rolls around. The team isn't at the point where a major trade is warranted, but they're successful enough to invest a little in. I'm listing the following players are unavailable for trade.
Paul, Jones
Vassell,
Castle, Johnson
Sochan, Barnes
Wembanyama, Collins
Yes, I know some of those guys (Johnson and Collins especially) are not seen as untouchable on this forum, just as I think a lot of fans might not want to give up Champ and Mamu. But let's say for argument's sake that those nine guys come together, play up to their talent, and but the Spurs in the 6-9 range at the deadline. I think it would interesting to look at some real but conservative moves the team could make to solidify that rotation.
If we're discussing two-for-one trades the two highest salaries on the available players would be Champagnie and Branham. Under the new rules of the CBA, the Spurs could trade them to bring back a salary of $12.68 Million or less. Immediately, I think of Coby White as a target who fits that criteria. He has a great combination of size, passing and shooting. He's not perfect -- his impact stats are meh compared to his raw stats, and he doesn't seem to be a good defender despite having the physical profile of one. But he does seem like someone who could be in the mix to start at PG next season and provide spacing and ball-movement this season. I just don't know if it makes sense to give Chicago their pick back for him and how else to balance the trade if they offer less. As far as ballast goes, losing Champ would be tough, but the Spurs could sign Minix to fill that empty role or even use it for a buyout candidate should one become available and prefers the Spurs/the partial RE money they could offer. There are other guys who could fit in this range too, but a lot of the sixth-man types require more salary than the Spurs can offer with two matching contracts.
If the team is able to pull a three-for-one (which I don't think should be considered likely this summer, even though the celebration market is booming. Adding Wesley to the group raises the maximum salary receivable to $16.34 Million. As mentioned, though, those types a of trades are difficult to do in within the season. With the remainder if the MLE, the Spurs might be able to pull off a functional two-for-three deal and just have one of the incoming guys absorbed by the remaining part of the RE.
I don't see at all Spurs doing a significant trade before the deadline.
They will likely continue to rebuild the team through the draft. This strategy is finally looking good with Sochan and Castle showing promises. The 2025 draft seems to be great and should be perfect for Spurs to get the 1 or 2 very good players they still need.
And Wembanyama not being ready to be a franchise player of a successful team right now allow Spurs not to speed up the rebuilding process with trades.
Paul being traded might happen if he desires to join a playoff team.
Chinook why wouldn't you be open to trade Tre Jones?
He has an attractive expiring contract and if we keep Cp3 and Castle confirms, he's not that useful
As well in the case of a Coby White arrival
I know some of u are attached to him, but his use and limitations were for a specific (tank/development) era that we all wish to get out of asap
Tre is good to keep around in a scenario where the Spurs are competing for a playoff spot. Good insurance to have around given CP3's injury history.
I also don't think you'd get much value for him as he'd really only be useful for a contender a la Denver. And contending teams aren't going to give a good player back in return.
If the Spurs are tanking again come trade deadline and somebody wants to offer a late first for Tre then by all means pull the trigger tbh.
The 20030 dream!
The Spurs could be a playoff team, or at least a play-in team if they hold serve. We're talking as if the Spurs are horrible and I'm trying to push them to make a move for a star. They're mediocre, and I'm talking about making a moderate move for a guy who could start next year and beyond and who has the skill-set to both compliment and offset Sochan and Castle. It's a way to reward the players for being in that position at the deadline and the futureproof the roster from Paul and Jones walking in an off-season where the Spurs still won't have significant cap space.
I'm not a Wembyite who thinks everyone on the team sucked except for him and the folks who graded out well rode on his coat tails. Jones is easily a top-two PG on the team right now, and if Paul's age catches up to him, he'd be the first. Castle and Wesley aren't close. I don't know if you're just in the ST memes, but Tre's under no threat of losing his rotation spot. On the contrary, the team has been battling to survive his absence. He was slated for a pretty big role both backing up and playing with Paul. The team definitely needs 48 minutes of competent PG play if they're going to capitalize on their talent. Wemby for sure needs that consistency at the position if he's going to remain on the right side of the exploration/production line.
Yes, Tre has trade value, but the Spurs don't require value anymore. They have plenty of it stored up. Obviously, in a world where the Spurs don't have a good season, the team will have to decide if they want Tre as a long-term piece or not. If they don't, they should trade him. But that's not the given ST thinks it is. A fully healthy Spurs team is much better than they're getting credit for. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them win at least one play-in game this year. That's not despite their roster, but because of it.
This is the most important bit.
We most definitely can't get a FRP for Tre meaning there's no point in trading him.
The only trade I can see happening is if it's Tre packaged with Keldon or Collins for an upgrade with Spurs adding another FRP.
He's a great backup PG, but I wouldn't overestimate his abilities. While he looked great last season, that was mostly on Spurs not having anyone else with any point guard skills whatsoever.Jones is easily a top-two PG on the team right now, and if Paul's age catches up to him, he'd be the first.
Tre is a high IQ player, but he's still a point guard with no real range because most of his 3pts were from corners.
Plays textbook defense, makes the right decisions, but is just too small and unathletic to not get torched by any competent point guard.
Solid backup role is his ceiling.
Was that ad hominem attack necessary? It's a reflex or what??
I'm not a fanboy of anyone, my question was based on his limitations (that are not arguable) and valuable expiring contract
I too miss Tre Jones, but not so much bc he's amazing more bc Wesley and Brahman are awful
Of course Stephon isn't there yet, he's a rookie, but he's worth the price of his mistakes and needs PT
You suggested a trade for Coby White who could be a great idea and would make Tre redondant as well
Lastly you don't need to go extreme all the time and take any criticism or diff taste as being hatefull or based on emotions. There are plenty of diff opinions and analysis than yours. the point is to exchange
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I've thought of Coby White too, and have the same balancing issues.
I think Chicago would view Cody as a core piece moving forward and a good selection at 7 (perfectly fine logic for them), and value him as a top 10 (ish) pick. I think they'd demand the protected Chicago pick back.
I don't think he's good enough for a #11 pick / a Chicago pick that conveys, as while he's fine, he's not going to be providing surplus value for long over his short contract relative to CP3 / Tre (limited, but good), would give value above Malaki / Blake. We don't have to win every trade from an asset perspective, it's OK to be a bit negative on value for fit (Coby definitely fits as a ++ offensive player / - defensive player) who can play off or on ball, but I think that'd be a big asset loss considering duration. Worthwhile if you can re-sign him to a decent deal, but I think you'd be looking at something like the Ant Simons contract given his play (4, 100m) from the 26 FA.
I'd be sniffing around to see if it's doable without a first, or look to places for upgrades over Mamu (Kevin Love? close to washed but still good but impact metrics).
Tre archetype is actually one of the rarest in the league, there are very few surviving game managers. That is the type of player the team needs right now. There are probably 4 good ones remaining and we have 2 and even tried to get the other Jones for a couple of offseasons now.
Tre didn't just look good last year. He's been good for years now, even when compared to players not on the Spurs. Nobody is talking about him getting a max contract or even starting long term. But the idea that the Spurs can't use him because they have a rookie wing and a couple of recovering busts behind him isn't something I can get behind. These games matter, and passing up on PG play trying to get an asset is not okay. And at some point, it's necessary for folks to see the difference between being flawed and being bad. Jones had had good defensive marks for at least the last two years before this one. That means he was able to hold his own on D even before Wemby was behind him to clean up mistakes. Height has always been overrated on defense. There's a reason why the playoffs isn't just filled with big defensive PGs, especially off the bench. There are more than one way to play the position.
After Tre finally became a starter last year, he performed at almost the exact same level as Tyus Jones did. A lot of folks credit Tyus with stabilizing the Suns but for some reason scoff at the Spurs having similar qualities off their bench. You say Jones is a great backup PG and then say solid backup PG is his ceiling. Which is it?
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