Is there a God?

[CuckingFunt]

Mormonism is a much more compelling example. I'm really not trying to insult it, but it has come from nowhere in 150 years or so to become a serious mainstream religion.

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[MiamiHeat]

Now you're just trolling. Sign of the defeated.

When you come back with more than just, I read it on theses sites*, I'll
listen.

Again with no sources to back up your claims?

You have proven nothing. My faith is unshaken.

[RandomGuy]

Never found him in 19 years of looking.

[RandomGuy]

Hopefully I won't go to for that pun.

[jack sommerset]

Not if I'm a Jewish wolf boy

Of course, now that you told me about Jesus, I'm doomed if I don't accept him.........Thanks for dooming me.

I was so much better off not knowing.

Nope. Even if you lived a "perfect life" and never heard the name Jesus you would go to . Thats what alot of Christians think. Here is the crazy part.

You could be a priest, a alter boy in his ass,slit his neck,stick ur kawk in that,steal the change from his pocket,buy some crack,get drunk,drive to the special Olympics and run over every re on the feild and as long as you except Jesus you will go to heaven because he died for the sins of all men.

[Phenomanul]

yeah, that, and watch out for demons.

Your insipid hack is getting old.

Have you done what I asked you to do?

Have you stared at a mirror, entered a trance and asked the demon-world that you be possesed by a legion? I mean if they don't exist what harm could that possibly do?

[RandomGuy]

You have proven nothing. My faith is unshaken.

This pretty much sums up the entire thread for everybody involved.

OK, back to work. Adios, amigas and amigos. Try not to get too much spittle on your keyboards.

[baseline bum]

"I think, therefore God is?"

This thread is golden. Interesting bits on both sides.

Sounds like angel is descartes reincarnated.

[clambake]

Your insipid hack is getting old.

Have you done what I asked you to do?

Have you stared at a mirror, entered a trance and asked the demon-world that you be possesed by a legion? I mean if they don't exist what harm could that possibly do?

your dad really ed you up.

[I Love Me Some Me]

even simpler put, not everyone has access to "the Word of God"

I also jumped back in to address this issue, because I think there's some mis-information being tossed about. Particularly by Christians who are afraid to confront the reality that their God is ultimately going to judge people and sentence them to death. That's the reality of your faith.

So to the question, "what about those who never hear the gospel? Will God condemn them?", the answer is, in short...Yes, he will condemn them.

You have to think about things in terms of sin and mercy. Sin brings quilt, mercy brings a pardon of that guilt. Anyone who has sinned deserves punishment, and those who have not confessed Jesus as their savior will not be en led to the mercy that salvation brings. Let me put it to you this way...if I ask you, "How can a judge/jury send someone to jail if he didn't offer him a pardon first?" The answer is, if the guy's guilty, the judge/jury is justified by throwing him in prison. There is no obligation to offer a pardon prior to a determination of guilt.

The same is true of God...He can justly convict someone who has broken his laws, even though the sinner has heard nothing about God's pardon in Jesus.

[Phenomanul]

You do realize God promised them both the same land?

It is most certainly a religious issue. That is the Holy Land to both of these peoples and both think they are the chosen that God promised it to.

Why then are the Palestinians not allowed into Egypt and have only restricted access to Saudi Arabia's holy sites? Why don't the Syrians let them in to Syria? Or why do the Jordanians send them to refugee camps?

The tactic by the Middle Eastern world to politically masquerade the issue as solely-religious has been cause for much strife.

[jack sommerset]

Your insipid hack is getting old.

Have you done what I asked you to do?

Have you stared at a mirror, entered a trance and asked the demon-world that you be possesed by a legion? I mean if they don't exist what harm could that possibly do?

I have tested that theory. I said " I will sell my soul to you Devil only if you will give me 10 million dollars and allow me to live as I want until I am a 100" Nothing. I stopped asking years ago. Plus I figiure if there was a Devil and granted me my offer I could re-nig by accepting Jesus Christ in my life.

[Phenomanul]

I also jumped back in to address this issue, because I think there's some mis-information being tossed about. Particularly by Christians who are afraid to confront the reality that their God is ultimately going to judge people and sentence them to death. That's the reality of your faith.

So to the question, "what about those who never hear the gospel? Will God condemn them?", the answer is, in short...Yes, he will condemn them.

You have to think about things in terms of sin and mercy. Sin brings quilt, mercy brings a pardon of that guilt. Anyone who has sinned deserves punishment, and those who have not confessed Jesus as their savior will not be en led to the mercy that salvation brings. Let me put it to you this way...if I ask you, "How can a judge/jury send someone to jail if he didn't offer him a pardon first?" The answer is, if the guy's guilty, the judge/jury is justified by throwing him in prison. There is no obligation to offer a pardon prior to a determination of guilt.

The same is true of God...He can justly convict someone who has broken his laws, even though the sinner has heard nothing about God's pardon in Jesus.

Good analogy.

[RandomGuy]

Your insipid hack is getting old.

Have you done what I asked you to do?

Have you stared at a mirror, entered a trance and asked the demon-world that you be possesed by a legion? I mean if they don't exist what harm could that possibly do?

None, if one is a true skeptic.

I imagine it would be something like the guy who dared a fellow panelist who fancied himself a sorcerer to curse him to death on Indian national television.

After nearly two hours, the anchor declared the tantrik’s failure. The tantrik, unwilling to admit defeat, tried the excuse that a very strong god whom Sanal might be worshipping obviously protected him. “No, I am an atheist,” said Sanal Edamaruku. Finally, the disgraced tantrik tried to save his face by claiming that there was a never-failing special black magic for ultimate destruction, which could, however, only been done at night. Bad luck again, he did not get away with this, but was challenged to prove his claim this very night in another “breaking news” live program.

That said, putting oneself into a trance would make one highly suggestible, and even if something happened, would hardly be proof of demons.

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Perhaps one should go up to a skeptic website and see if anyone would take this challenge to see. Easy enough to record and it would make an interesting exercise.

[DarkReign]

Why then are the Palestinians not allowed into Egypt and have only restricted access to Saudi Arabia's holy sites? Why don't the Syrians let them in to Syria? Or why do the Jordanians send them to refugee camps?

The tactic by the Middle Eastern world to politically masquerade the issue as solely-religious has been cause for much strife.

Bingo. Its geo-political, it always has been.

Like I said, I am not saying religion hasnt inlfamed the situation to an intolerable degree (it most certainly has), but with or without religion, when your country is given over to foreigners by foreigners, hate tends to breed.

[Blake]

Have you stared at a mirror, entered a trance and asked the demon-world that you be possesed by a legion? I mean if they don't exist what harm could that possibly do?

until proven otherwise.....none.

you watch too many horror flicks

[Phenomanul]

your dad really ed you up.

"I would say the same about your dad... but honestly I'm starting to believe you grew up without his counsel." Really??? Is that type of banter you want to get into?

...

Seriously - grow up.

Otherwise I will be forced to hack into your computer and delete everything you hold dear. Haven't you heard? All MIT graduates can do that.

[Phenomanul]

until proven otherwise.....none.

you watch too many horror flicks

Actually, I don't waste my time with them -- just an old tale from grade school.

[MiamiHeat]

Bingo. Its geo-political, it always has been.

Like I said, I am not saying religion hasnt inlfamed the situation to an intolerable degree (it most certainly has), but with or without religion, when your country is given over to foreigners by foreigners, hate tends to breed.

Why do you think that land is important to israel in the first place? they could have formed a state somewhere in south america maybe.

please, use your brain.

religion is the cause of all of this.

the babylonians destroyed the first temple, then the romans destroyed the second temple. now the jews have their holy land back, took it by force, and then they want to build the third temple but one little problem. there is a mosque on the very site where the third temple should be built. apparently, both religions think that is a very special spot.

really now, it's not up for debate. that land is holy to both sides. that's why israel wanted

[DarkReign]

Why do you think that land was given to Israel in the first place? Why not move them somewhere in south america?

please, use your brain

religion is the cause of all of this.

Uhh, yeah, because it was their Promised Land, right?

Because Europe decided "Hey! Its in the Bible, right? Might as well give it to them."

Come on. They gave it to them because no one else wanted them, period. And Britain didnt give two s about which of their multiple real-estates they had to give in order to get the Jews out.

It wasnt religion. It was convenience.

[Blake]

I also jumped back in to address this issue, because I think there's some mis-information being tossed about. Particularly by Christians who are afraid to confront the reality that their God is ultimately going to judge people and sentence them to death. That's the reality of your faith.

So to the question, "what about those who never hear the gospel? Will God condemn them?", the answer is, in short...Yes, he will condemn them.

You have to think about things in terms of sin and mercy. Sin brings quilt, mercy brings a pardon of that guilt. Anyone who has sinned deserves punishment, and those who have not confessed Jesus as their savior will not be en led to the mercy that salvation brings. Let me put it to you this way...if I ask you, "How can a judge/jury send someone to jail if he didn't offer him a pardon first?" The answer is, if the guy's guilty, the judge/jury is justified by throwing him in prison. There is no obligation to offer a pardon prior to a determination of guilt.

The same is true of God...He can justly convict someone who has broken his laws, even though the sinner has heard nothing about God's pardon in Jesus.

It's like traveling to another country. Just because you don't know all the rules doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for those rules.

Thing is, I question the rules.

A Jew born in say 20 AD and living his life by the Hebrew code, firmly believing in God and doing the things he knows to do according to the Old Testament is still screwed if he dies sometime after 33 AD.....

If he had died around 32 AD, he would have been ok.

[MiamiHeat]

wow how hard headed can you be. truly unbelievable

Jews HAVE ALWAYS MOURNED the destruction of the FIRST TEMPLE and then the romans destroying the SECOND TEMPLE. THEY were nomads for a LONG TIME YEARNING to go back to the HOly Land promised to them by God. "Zion the land of Israel" it's -ALL- OVER THE BIBLE.

the jewish prayer book, the bible, they WANT TO GO BACK TO ISRAEL, "THE PROMISED LAND"

That = RELIGION. ridiculous.

[clambake]

"I would say the same about your dad... but honestly I'm starting to believe you grew up without his counsel."

you're confusing counsel with brainwashing. his act was very effective on you.

Seriously - grow up.

Otherwise I will be forced to hack into your computer and delete everything you hold dear. Haven't you heard? All MIT graduates can do that.

you should have had more faith in your education.

[jack sommerset]

It's like traveling to another country. Just because you don't know all the rules doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for those rules.

Thing is, I question the rules.

A Jew born in say 20 AD and living his life by the Hebrew code, firmly believing in God and doing the things he knows to do according to the Old Testament is still screwed if he dies sometime after 33 AD.....

If he had died around 32 AD, he would have been ok.

Yes, the first grandfather clause.

[I Love Me Some Me]

It's like traveling to another country. Just because you don't know all the rules doesn't mean that you can't be held accountable for those rules.

Thing is, I question the rules.

A Jew born in say 20 AD and living his life by the Hebrew code, firmly believing in God and doing the things he knows to do according to the Old Testament is still screwed if he dies sometime after 33 AD.....

If he had died around 32 AD, he would have been ok.

I think he may have been grandfathered in the Hebrew code.