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    Hopefully Ariza/Deng both stay in the East. Last thing we need is for good role players to come over to Western teams that are already close to contending.

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    So correct me if I am wrong, but a max deal for Parson's (outside of HOU) was 4 years, 60M-ish no? I guess people have Hayward pegged that much higher (or at least one team)?

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    So correct me if I am wrong, but a max deal for Parson's (outside of HOU) was 4 years, 60M-ish no? I guess people have Hayward pegged that much higher (or at least one team)?
    He got a three-year max, and Hayward got a four-year max. They'll be making the same money over the first three years.

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    That's officially badass. Dirk would do well to go there from a basketball perspective. But Houston needs to trade for Carlisle too.
    What is the rule on Parson's again and how he became a RFA vs picking up his option this year and him being an UFA next year?

    I know you can only be a RFA if you are a first round pick coming off your 4th year of your rookie scale contract, no?

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    Can you imagine if some s bag team tried offering Duncan the max?
    Oh yeah, Morey is clearly pissed at the Mavs for that move on Parsons. This was a counter that shows it clearly even if it has no chance of actually happening.

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    He got a three-year max, and Hayward got a four-year max. They'll be making the same money over the first three years.
    No - I get that, was just wondering:

    1) if the 4 year max was the same or slightly different because of draft spot
    2) why someone would give Hayward the 4th year and Parsons the 3 year (and why he would accept that seeing Hayward got 4 years)

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    Yay...more waiting.

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    No - I get that, was just wondering:

    1) if the 4 year max was the same or slightly different because of draft spot
    2) why someone would give Hayward the 4th year and Parsons the 3 year (and why he would accept that seeing Hayward got 4 years)
    It's based on tenure only for players who aren't already making the max.

    Parsons' deal lines up with Dirk's.

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    So correct me if I am wrong, but a max deal for Parson's (outside of HOU) was 4 years, 60M-ish no? I guess people have Hayward pegged that much higher (or at least one team)?
    The correction is that Parson got the better contract. He has two opportunities to hit free agency on his third contract earlier for bigger than $15 / year. He has a player option in 2016 and hits free agency again in 2018 after two years of the new tv money.

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    45 mil for Parsons. Holy .
    Not only that, but by Morey being cute, Parsons got offered a three year deal (would be hilarious if it has a player option for year 3) so will have him under control for less years AND now has to maneuver like mad to get the Bosh deal / Lin trade done in the next 76 hours and 1 minute.

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    What is the rule on Parson's again and how he became a RFA vs picking up his option this year and him being an UFA next year?

    I know you can only be a RFA if you are a first round pick coming off your 4th year of your rookie scale contract, no?
    Fourth year for people coming off rookie-scale deals. Third year or earlier for all other players. Option years keep Bird rights amd RFA status, except in the case where it's the TO for rookie-scale players.

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    Just pick a team already, !

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    Fourth year for people coming off rookie-scale deals. Third year or earlier for all other players. Option years keep Bird rights amd RFA status, except in the case where it's the TO for rookie-scale players.
    So because Parson's was not a first round pick and had an option year in what was the third year of his deal (which they declined) he became a RFA. Otherwise, if they picked up that option in the third year, he's an UFA next year correct?

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    Why would you be on the phones with those FA's when you declined the option for Parson's forcing the issue a year early? Did you really think that he wouldn't get an offer like this? , in all honesty, him only getting 3 years vs the 4 Hayward got should be a good thing. Makes no damn sense.
    They were presumably planning to keep Parsons even if they got Melo, Morey's got 72 hours to use that cap space and still keep Parsons.

    Bad ass move by the Mavs, IMO.

    From the Spurs perspective, this would seem to make it easier to pick off Marion or Carter if they were so inclined.

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    I think it'll be the same. He won't need to score as much, but he's going to still run the offense. It's just what he does. It's what you do when you're the best player ever.
    You forgot to use blue font for that last sentence.

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    They were presumably planning to keep Parsons even if they got Melo, Morey's got 72 hours to use that cap space and still keep Parsons.

    Bad ass move by the Mavs, IMO.

    From the Spurs perspective, this would seem to make it easier to pick off Marion or Carter if they were so inclined.
    If they weren't planning on keeping Parsons if they got Melo or Bosh, then they are the biggest dummies ever for declining that option.

    But while it forces HOU hand some, I have my doubts on the real impact. I mean, I would suspect that Bosh and/or Melo and/or Lebron probably make their decision before 3 days after the moratorium. But it does now force that on HOU for their plans to work which is good.

    Nice by the Mavs, but that is a large contract So they either better be sure HOU will match (which they will) and were just being savvy or they better think Parsons at 15M per year is a good deal

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    Kind of unrelated, but did any of y'all just see Bertans get injured in this SL game? Looked brutal...hopefully it's nothing too serious...

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    So because Parson's was not a first round pick and had an option year in what was the third year of his deal (which they declined) he became a RFA. Otherwise, if they picked up that option in the third year, he's an UFA next year correct?
    Yes. Different rules for players signed to the rookie scale. Otherwise, three years means RFA, 4 years means UFA. (Splitter-RFA, Blair-UFA).

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    If they weren't planning on keeping Parsons if they got Melo or Bosh, then they are the biggest dummies ever for declining that option.
    I think they were definitely planning on keeping Parsons. They may have been a bit too y about their ability to attract a major FA and are now in scramble mode.

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    He can't make up his mind because he's a bandwagon pussy who needs to make sure his team is already stacked. Bosh, Melo even worse wanting to ride his coat tails... ing pathetic the lot of them. Nut the up resign with your loser teams and prepare to be beaten by real men again.

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    Yes. Different rules for players signed to the rookie scale. Otherwise, three years means RFA, 4 years means UFA. (Splitter-RFA, Blair-UFA).
    For vets, after the rookie scale contract, RFA comes from Bird Rights, correct?

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    Thanks to Mel & Chinook for clearing that up though. Don't know why I got it mixed up.

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    Has New Orleans gotten the money to work to take on Asik yet? It's not just the Lin deal Houston needs to get done - NO has to shed some money to get Asik.

    I think Cuban is a genius for trying to muck things up for Houston with the Parsons offer. If they can't get everything worked out within 72 hours, they'll have to match (only two years of control of Parsons too with the player option) and Bosh will be on the market again. Could he end up on the Mavs despite the overlap with Dirk? Stranger things have happened - essentially rotating the big man minutes between the two + Chandler? If a team trots out a crap offensive player in a series too like OKC last year (Thabo/Fisher), you could play all three at once and have a huge mismatch on offense.

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    For vets, after the rookie scale contract, RFA comes from Bird Rights, correct?
    If a player does all 4 years of rookie scale contract, he can be an RFA that summer. He won't ever be an RFA again.

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