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It's simple actually,
How many GM's in the league would take Bonner over Scola?
Bonner too got more minutes on teams not named the Spurs. It's not like he "sucked" for every team he played for.
His stats as a starter are better than Scola's. His career best games as a starter(in fewer starts) are better than Scola's.
It's a fact that guys capable of putting up decent numbers get confined to the bench playing for the Spurs.
I'm definitely leaning towards Matt Bonner being one of the greatest Argentine PFs ever...if only he'd been born Argentine(his game could be exactly the same).
I mean 13 and 8 as a starter is pretty impressive...or at least it should be to Scolasucks, since they make a big deal about it when Scola does it.
It's simple actually,
How many GM's in the league would take Bonner over Scola?
How many that have 4 rings would?It's simple actually,
How many GM's in the league would take Bonner over Scola?
There's only one of those you know...
yeah,a crappy Eurolegue team and the raptors when they were a lotery team.
Great analisys.!!!
you're so ing wrong dude,Hernan Montenegro could've eaten Bonner alive.I'm definitely leaning towards Matt Bonner being one of the greatest Argentine PFs ever...if only he'd been born Argentine(his game could be exactly the same).
IScola is about 2 boards shy to average a double double since He's starting for the Rockets,and on top of that, they keep Winning.mean 13 and 8 as a starter is pretty impressive...or at least it should be to Scolasucks, since they make a big deal about it when Scola does it.
This is the guy that YOU predicted it was gonna be too slow for the NBA speed and not too strong to crush the boards like he's doing it.
You're so full of wottt..................
Last edited by ArgSpursFan.; 03-07-2008 at 09:53 AM.
Could it be that the Rockets wouldn't suck up Butler's contract to sign a scrub like Bonner, only fore a player like Scola? Nahhh.
Reality check for whottt. If the Rockets were to trade Scola next summer and the Spurs were to trade Bonner, who would bring back more value in return? This is a test whott, don't blow it.
I watched the game last night and Scola is amazing.
He seems to be the smartest, most experienced Rocket out there. Always cool but full of energy. Always in best spots offensively and defensively. Rockets would not have this winning streak w/out Scola.
and those who compare Bonner to Scola please stop smoking your mom's laundry detergent
It depend. He have player option for next year this mean I think one time chance to opt from contract. His agent have advise that if Greece get medal at Olympics then many NBA team will be interest since Spanoulis has been team lead scorer in last 5 tournaments it mean good chance he lead team in score points again. So if team get medal it natural have NBA team interest again.
So agent advise wait this time if he still want come back NBA. But I not sure how much time he have to chose opt from contract. I know Spanoulis have make mistake before when sign with Rocket team. He sign with them before 2006 World Championship against advice of agent.
Then next time Greece play the World Championship after this 6 NBA team offer him MLE contract and chance be start point guard for team. He not able to take offer because he already sign with Rockets. They own his right but agent tell him they could ask get trade if need just like Scola do. So Spanoulis by not wait for 2006 World Championship screw himself and end up get team where coach tell him first day he not want him but Mike James and start begin with bench him talk.
So this time if he decide come over agent tell him they not make any decision before Olympics.
Last game against Denver I wished either Scola, Elson, even Rasho were around.
Please search some info about Juan Spill .
He was refering to PFs and Juan is a SG.
But Montenegro(who was drafted by the NY nets)was at the same level that Scola was in europe,and was more athletic and taller tham Luis.
The thing with El Loco was his work ethics.
Another great PF was Marcelo Nicola, and Back in the 80's Sebastian Uranga.
All of them>>>>>Bonner.
off night for scola tonight, but he got 8 rebounds, and some steals.
Could it be that if the Spurs thought Scola was that great they could have just not signed Bonner and Oberto?
Obviously they didn't.
Unless of course Scola was threatening to walk...which since he was an asshole from the night the Spurs drafted him on...is equally likely.
Reality check for whottt. If the Rockets were to trade Scola next summer and the Spurs were to trade Bonner, who would bring back more value in return? This is a test whott, don't blow it.
Reality check for picnroll. The Spurs aren't known for upping the trade value of jack. See Giricek, Gordan.
Don't you mean Juan Espil?
Please search some info about Matt Bonner.
In particular look at what he's put up in starts, then compare it to Scola...in starts.
Then realize that if Scola played for the Spurs he wouldn't have started, he wouldn't have been ahead of Horry, he wouldn't have been ahead of Oberto and since he can't shoot threes, he wouldn't have even taken minutes from Matt Bonner.
To all the folks bashing the Spurs over Scola (Argies and Non-Argies included)
Is it remotely possible that Scola and his representatives decided that if he was to come to the NBA, Scola had no desire to come to San Antonio and be Tim Duncan's backup for three years? I have brought this scenario up before and nobody really spent a lot of time on that.
The SA Front office had been talking to and negotiating with this guy for five long years. Scola's agent talks about the Spurs holding Luis "...hostage" when they decided to bring in Oberto instead of him in 2005 due to Tau Ceramica contract issues.
Fast forward to last summer - the Spurs have just come off of yet another NBA championship and decided to bring back their roster intact unlike in prior years. Popovich does not play favorites - you have to earn your playing time regardless of who you are or what you have done in the past.
There is every possibility that Scola plays significantly fewer minutes in SA in his rookie season especially as he learned a system everyone else knew already.
Houston had a gaping hole at the 4 position and plenty of playing time possibly available. A potential deal with Cleveland for Scola fell through. Scola and his people indicate they will resign with Tau long term if something doesn't happen this summer with an NBA team. The SA front office may have been pushed into a corner, no?
If San Antonio hadn't blinked and done the Houston deal and Scola went back to Tau, imagine the situation that could have come to pass.
Here you have a guy just selected with your 2007 first round draft choice in Tiago Splitter (who by the way is Scola's best friend) and is reunited with Scola at Tau, with Scola just having been "denied his dream" to play in the NBA by the mean old Spurs. Do you think the Spurs wanted Splitter to hear from Scola how the Spurs "...denied him his opportunity of playing in the NBA" every day? I don't think so.
As is always the case in business, it takes two sides coming together to make a deal. San Antonio could have really wanted Scola to come over this summer to join the program, but after the draft and free agent signings of their own players, they had TD, Oberto, Splitter (in 08), Mahimi, Horry,Elson and Bonner who could play the 4 spot on the team. Is it remotely possible that Scola and his agent said "No thanks" to San Antonio's contract offers and forced a trade somewhere else, which ended up being Houston?
The only compe ion at the 4 Houston had at the time with NBA experience was Chuck Hayes. The opportunity to play a lot of minutes in his rooke season was much better in Houston. Not to mention the fact that with a short term (three year maximum) contract in place, Scola will probably have only one opportunity to get a sizeable contract in just a little over two years from now as he approaches his 30th birthday.
Scola did not have the time to risk the possibility of a "Red Shirt" year with the Spurs as they had just won a championship with the players already on board. Please note that I said "possibility" because Scola certainly could earned a lot of minutes in SA - just not as a starter (remember #21 is the starter). Don't discount the fact that the Rockets replaced their coaching staff and front office staff. The entire team had to learn a new system.
It takes two to tango and Scola may not have been enthused about coming to SA at this time. We have already seen over the last 2-3 years what can happen here when a talented player gets stuck on the bench and gets disgruntled (Beno). If the Spurs had kept him this year (which they could have done) what type of contract would he have received this summer - not a good one. The chance for big money and playing time for Beno came by playing heavy minutes for a bad team with no chance at the playoffs (Sac).
In my opinion, Scola had neither the time nor the inclination to risk being patient in San Antonio for the type of playing time opportunity he got elsewhere very quickly (he starts in Houston).
Tim Duncan is going nowhere anytime soon with recent his contract extension. Luis Scola would not be the starting power forward for the Spurs in the next three years (the length of his rookie contract). Coming to SA would have had a significantly negative effect on Scola's future NBA earnings. He made a business decision that will in the end make him millions of dollars.
I hope this makes sense to all of those people who incorrectly think the Spurs were the only party deciding the near term NBA future of Luis Scola. Scola and his people exercised their leverage as well.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 03-09-2008 at 10:22 AM.
Spanoulis got screwed last year just like Walter Hermann is getting screwed this year.
No . Hermann was playing amazing ball at the end of last year, scoring 20+ for more than a month I think. I really liked the guy, and the energy he played with. Now a new coach comes in, an Avery product by the way, and he does not like a PF who can shoot from deep, because that's not 'tough'. BS!!! So he gets dealt to Detroit where it's almost impossible to crack the rotation with the same team being there for like 5 years now. I hope he gets another chance somewhere because he can really play.
Hermann and his agent should or if they haven't already quietly ask the Pistons front office to be traded. I would not bet against that either and would not be suprised to see Walter Hermann on another team next year.
nice analysis harry
Scola wants to play (AND START) in a contending team. no contending team in the NBA has a PF-gap bigger than the Rockets
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5605659.html
How Scola became part of the ride
Luis Scola wasn't considered an option when the Rockets began discussing power forwards last summer.
His name was on the list of players general manager Daryl Morey gave owner Leslie Alexander, but not because Morey believed he had any real chance of obtaining him.
The Spurs owned his rights, and Morey didn't think they were inclined to trade with a division rival. Besides, there had to be teams with more to offer.
"He's the best guy," Morey told Alexander, "but it'll never happen."
On draft day, Morey had learned how badly his boss wanted to win. When Seattle hesitated on a trade that would have allowed the Rockets to jump ahead of the Celtics to draft Carl Landry, Alexander urged Morey to throw in more money, more draft picks, more whatever to make it happen.
Morey completed that trade, drafted Landry and a key piece of this remarkable season was in place.
Two months later, Alexander again urged Morey to do whatever he could to obtain Scola. Spurs general manager R.C. Buford assured Morey he was going to trade Scola's rights to the team that put the best offer on the table. If that offer was from a division rival, so be it.
Morey made the deal happen by giving the Spurs cash, Vassilis Spanoulis and a second-round draft pick. He also agreed to take Jackie Butler's contract. Both teams got what they wanted.
The Spurs netted around $10 million, and the Rockets got their best power forward since Otis Thorpe. Together, Scola and Landry have joined Chuck Hayes to transform a position of weakness to one of strength. They've provided scoring, rebounds, energy, and in Scola's case, leadership.
"Their passion and enthusiasm is contagious," Shane Battier said. "You want to be out there with them. You want to run up and down and drive for loose balls. You want to make energetic plays. I think they've energized our team and our fans."
Better since Yao's injury
Scola is averaging 12.4 points and 6.4 rebounds and shooting 59 percent in 18 games as a starter. He's even better — 14.4 and 7.4 — since Yao Ming was injured.
Numbers are only part of the story. He's clever and efficient around the basket, and as Battier said, his energy level is contagious.
"He's a guy who plays every possession hard, almost to a fault," Rick Adelman said. "He just wants to do so well. I can't say enough about the way he has been playing. He wants to prove that he belongs at this level. He's one of the hardest-working guys and he doesn't take any days off."
Scola was a two-time Most Valuable Player in the Spanish league and was the leading scorer on Argentina's gold medal 2004 Olympic team.
At 27, he's the NBA's oldest rookie and burning to prove he belongs. Along the way, he's getting a unique look at a new country. He has embraced this part of his new life as well.
"Language, history, everything," he said. "I love getting in touch with other cultures, learning from them."
He watched them toss salmon at Seattle's Pike Street Market and walked Michigan Avenue during the Christmas shopping season. He intends to see every inch of Washington and New York that the team's schedule permits.
He has brought the same kind of enthusiasm to the court. To watch these Rockets is to appreciate their commitment to sweating the small stuff. They're among the NBA's top teams in defense and rebounds. They might be No. 1 in floor burns.
If the Rockets beat the Nets tonight, they'll be just the fourth team in NBA history to win 19 straight games. They are 27-3 since Jan. 4.
Rising to next level
Rafer Alston and Battier are arguably having the best years of their career.
Tracy McGrady is a superstar in every sense of the word.
And there's Scola, Landry, Bobby Jackson, etc.
The Rockets don't win without McGrady's greatness, but they also don't win without a bunch of guys doing their jobs better than almost anyone thought possible. They tried to tell us this season wasn't going to end just because Yao got hurt.
"Nobody is going to replace Yao," Scola said. "Everybody has got to do a little better, a little bit stronger and try a little bit harder."
Scola isn't the only amazing thing about this season. He's neither the best thing nor the worst thing.
He's simply part of an incredible story. And the story continues.
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hey Harry Callahan your post i better than POP's strategy, even that is just an story, right?
--------> Herrmann must be traded to the Spurs !! ahahaha.
obviously i am not a mod but it is goddamn annoying seeing people repeatedly spam new threads when one already exists....so this is a bump for them
scola has become a legend amongst spurs fans this day, we will never see the end of scola ever..
Tell you guys what. Get Lindsey to bring Vspan back over and get him to be an 8 assts per game kinda guy averaging over 20 ppg and we'll start the official Vspan thread at CFs. Then you can get revenge by listening to everyone and moan about what a stupid move it was to get rid of him.
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