Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

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More Americans believe in angels than humans’ role in global warming

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2009/12/08/americans-angels-humancaused-global-warming/

Religion makes you stupid and ignorant, esp the money-grubbing,show business American Protestant religions.

[Wild Cobra]

More Americans believe in angels than humans’ role in global warming

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2009/12/08/americans-angels-humancaused-global-warming/

Religion makes you stupid and ignorant, esp the money-grubbing,show business American Protestant religions.

The dogma of AGW has become a religion as well you know. Don't get me wrong, almost everybody believes in AGW. We just don't believe that CO2 can warm as much as is claimed.

The lower troposphere where our greenhouse gas warming occurs has more than 2% H2O in the atmosphere. The IPCC uses 278 ppm as a baseline for 1750. Alarmists now claim something like a 0.85 degree for today with CO2 levels now at 400 ppm. H2O and CO2 are the two major greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. It is claimed the earth would be -18 C and the greenhouse gasses increases to 14 C. We are now about 15C in modern times. Anyway, if you do the math, between CO2 and H2O, there was in 1750 a 32 degree increase for 20,278 of the two greenhouse gasses. The alarmists will tell us that raising these greenhouse gasses to 20,400 ppm increases the temperature by another 0.85 degrees.

That does not compute...

14.85 C / 14 C = 1.0607, or a 6% increase in the assumed greenhouse effect.

288 / 287.15 = 1.00296 This is a 0.3% increase.

What the alarmists are expecting us to accept is that a 0.3% increase in greenhouse gasses cause a 6% increase in greenhouse added temperature.

That does not compute...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yeah. WC can rebut IPCC with simple napkin math. , he doesn't even have to do it. He just knows.

Yes the idea that CO2 absorbs photons and slowly radiates the absorbed energy is equivalent to resurrection.

Ice melting when it warms is just like Muhammad and his winged horse.

What we need now is for WC to try to explain the absorption spectrum for CO2 and try in his own words explain how it does not force warming. Then he can regale us more with 'warming drives CO2.' He much like TSA is dumb and doesn't understand mutual exclusivity and therefor cannot fathom what a feedback mechanism is.

[ErnestLynch]

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/03/prweb11708533.htm

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http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/03/prweb11708533.htm

The Heartland Ins ute – which The Economist magazine in 2012 called “the world’s most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change” – is joining scores of other think tanks and advocacy groups to host the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

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MediaTransparency reported that Heartland received funding from politically conservative foundations such as the Castle Rock Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.^[49] In 2011, the Ins ute received $25,000 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation.^[17] The Charles Koch Foundation states that the contribution was "$25,000 to the Heartland Ins ute in 2011 for research in healthcare, not climate change, and this was the first and only donation the Foundation made to the ins ute in more than a decade".^[50]

Oil and gas companies have contributed to the Heartland Ins ute, including over $600,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005.^[51] Greenpeace reported that Heartland received almost $800,000 from ExxonMobil.^[23] In 2008, ExxonMobil said that they would stop funding to groups skeptical of climate warming, including Heartland.^[51][52][53] Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Ins ute, argued that ExxonMobil was simply distancing itself from Heartland out of concern for its public image.^[51]

The Heartland Ins ute has also received funding and support from tobacco companies Philip Morris,^[36] Altria and Reynolds American, and pharmaceutical industry firms GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer and Eli Lilly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Ins ute

[Wild Cobra]

MediaTransparency reported that Heartland received funding from politically conservative foundations such as the Castle Rock Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.^[49] In 2011, the Ins ute received $25,000 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation.^[17] The Charles Koch Foundation states that the contribution was "$25,000 to the Heartland Ins ute in 2011 for research in healthcare, not climate change, and this was the first and only donation the Foundation made to the ins ute in more than a decade".^[50]

Oil and gas companies have contributed to the Heartland Ins ute, including over $600,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005.^[51] Greenpeace reported that Heartland received almost $800,000 from ExxonMobil.^[23] In 2008, ExxonMobil said that they would stop funding to groups skeptical of climate warming, including Heartland.^[51][52][53] Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Ins ute, argued that ExxonMobil was simply distancing itself from Heartland out of concern for its public image.^[51]

The Heartland Ins ute has also received funding and support from tobacco companies Philip Morris,^[36] Altria and Reynolds American, and pharmaceutical industry firms GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer and Eli Lilly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Ins ute

Can't kill the message with anything valid, so you have to do so by association?

That is so ing stupid.

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Can't kill the message with anything valid, so you have to do so by association?

That is so ing stupid.

Heartland denies, and promotes LONG-TIME denial, AGW, the standard position of such orgs and "scientists" paid for by BigCarbon.

[Wild Cobra]

Heartland denies, and promotes LONG-TIME denial, AGW, the standard position of such orgs and "scientists" paid for by BigCarbon.

Who cares?

It doesn't matter.

It does not mean they lie. If that's you point, you should worry about those who contribute to the causes you support.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.

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Who cares?

It doesn't matter.

It does not mean they lie. If that's you point, you should worry about those who contribute to the causes you support.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.

They are ALL PAID TO LIE.

And you're a damn fool if you're not being paid to shill for BigCarbon.

Start something like Oregon Inbred Ins ute, and hold conferences denying AGW. BigCarbon checks will flow your way.

[Wild Cobra]

They are ALL PAID TO LIE.

And you're a damn fool if you're not being paid to shill for BigCarbon.

Start something like Oregon Inbred Ins ute, and hold conferences denying AGW. BigCarbon checks will flow your way.

Wow.

I pity you. You can't see past what your liberal talking points tell you to say.

[RandomGuy]

Funny. I see you as the dip that uses confirmation bias.

Remember this:

When it comes to my arguments of technical matters, I am well above the average person. I forgot until I looked it up that you said what you did, and it was after LnGrrrR made a statement that gave me cause to elaborate. I very often forget I am talking above peoples understanding. I try to simplify things, but there is still so much lost, especially when I overestimate everyone elses understanding.

The biggest problem with so many of you assholes is you accuse rather than ask for elaboration. Maybe you can learn something if you ask, and listen instead of letting your ego get the better of you.

Fuzzy is the worse of you all. He is either genuinely obtuse and stupid, or a good troll. Either way, the likes of him should be banned.

Dude, I would extend some modi of trust on things that don't involve any kind of politics. Your political views poison your thinking on everything else.

One exception won't erase a very clear pattern of mal-formed thinking elsewhere.

[Wild Cobra]

Dude, I would extend some modi of trust on things that don't involve any kind of politics. Your political views poison your thinking on everything else.

One exception won't erase a very clear pattern of mal-formed thinking elsewhere.

Maybe it's your viewpoint that's wrong? Maybe you are just opposed to my libertarian-right leanings with your own confirmation bias?

I have seen you and others that disagree with me to be rather authoritarian. No wonder everything I say politically is wrong in your eyes.

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Kentucky Republican: Climate change unproven because 'temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here'

I don’t even know were to start on sharing some of the wisdom that was expressed by our state legislators during this hearing. No, actually I do. I give you the honorable Sen. Brandon Smith, R-Hazard:“As you (Energy & Environment Cabinet official) sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our cons uents and stuff behind us. I don’t want to get into the debate about climate change, but I will simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There are no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...?detail=email#

Kentucky! Repugs! Marans!

[RandomGuy]

Maybe it's your viewpoint that's wrong? Maybe you are just opposed to my libertarian-right leanings with your own confirmation bias?

I have seen you and others that disagree with me to be rather authoritarian. No wonder everything I say politically is wrong in your eyes.

I am happy to change my mind given some evidence.

Feel free to point out any solid examples of confirmation bias.

You are wrong because what you say isn't supported by evidence fairly often.

[Wild Cobra]

Kentucky Republican: Climate change unproven because 'temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here'

I don’t even know were to start on sharing some of the wisdom that was expressed by our state legislators during this hearing. No, actually I do. I give you the honorable Sen. Brandon Smith, R-Hazard:“As you (Energy & Environment Cabinet official) sit there in your chair with your data, we sit up here in ours with our data and our cons uents and stuff behind us. I don’t want to get into the debate about climate change, but I will simply point out that I think in academia we all agree that the temperature on Mars is exactly as it is here. Nobody will dispute that. Yet there are no coal mines on Mars. There are no factories on Mars that I’m aware of.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...?detail=email#

Kentucky! Repugs! Marans!

Apparently, that was said on the 4th. I figure he misspoke, with the intent of saying that mars also warms and cools with the sun like the earth does.

[Wild Cobra]

I am happy to change my mind given some evidence.

Feel free to point out any solid examples of confirmation bias.

You are wrong because what you say isn't supported by evidence fairly often.

I'm not going to look for an example. It would be a waste of time. I'm just throwing the type of catch phrases back at you that you accuse me of with no merit. When discussing something, why do you do that instead of backing it up with facts?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can't kill the message with anything valid, so you have to do so by association?

That is so ing stupid.

This coming from the guy that spams about the science being a religion and how scientist are corrupted. You cannot even come up with a link that good.

Now you are being a dumb piece of . I take back the time that I told you that I was sorry for treating you poorly.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not going to look for an example. It would be a waste of time. I'm just throwing the type of catch phrases back at you that you accuse me of with no merit. When discussing something, why do you do that instead of backing it up with facts?

Something asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I have no confirmation bias, thank you.

[DarrinS]

[Wild Cobra]

Something asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I have no confirmation bias, thank you.

OK, believe as you wish.

[RandomGuy]

OK, believe as you wish.

Belief has nothing to do with it.

No evidence = No reason to accept as true.

Of course the more you make these charges and don't support them the lazier you seem.

You provide all the evidence of your mental laziness we need to believe that.

[Big Empty]

a cold front is gonna have the NE in the 50's and 40's...in JULY LMAO crazy.
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-...-july-20140709

It seems like many places can't shake the cool temperatures. After a harsh winter, the summer heat just can't seem to take hold for long. Some of these locations saw a cool summer last year and current indications are this could be repeated this year
A deep upper-level trough will dig into the Great Lakes region from Canada next week, which will bring another round of cool temperatures. This trough is very strong for mid July, in the heart of summer. Record cold temperatures are likely.
Upper-level pattern early to midweek, showing the trough in the Midwest and the ridge in the West.



Some cities have yet to hit 90 degrees this year and it looks like the 90-degree mark won't be seen anytime soon for those cities. Next week, morning temperatures will be in the 50s for many in the Midwest, while a few lucky locations will see temperatures dip into the 40s! It really won't feel like July, as there won't be a hint of muggy air for much of the Midwest and East.
Meanwhile, the heat will stay in the West, with no real heat waves in sight for the Midwest or Northeast. So enjoy the cool and comfortable conditions for now!

[pgardn]

a cold front is gonna have the NE in the 50's and 40's...in JULY LMAO crazy.
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-...-july-20140709

It seems like many places can't shake the cool temperatures. After a harsh winter, the summer heat just can't seem to take hold for long. Some of these locations saw a cool summer last year and current indications are this could be repeated this year
A deep upper-level trough will dig into the Great Lakes region from Canada next week, which will bring another round of cool temperatures. This trough is very strong for mid July, in the heart of summer. Record cold temperatures are likely.
Upper-level pattern early to midweek, showing the trough in the Midwest and the ridge in the West.



Some cities have yet to hit 90 degrees this year and it looks like the 90-degree mark won't be seen anytime soon for those cities. Next week, morning temperatures will be in the 50s for many in the Midwest, while a few lucky locations will see temperatures dip into the 40s! It really won't feel like July, as there won't be a hint of muggy air for much of the Midwest and East.
Meanwhile, the heat will stay in the West, with no real heat waves in sight for the Midwest or Northeast. So enjoy the cool and comfortable conditions for now!

So could you send this to SA ASAP?

[xrayzebra]

a cold front is gonna have the NE in the 50's and 40's...in JULY LMAO crazy.
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-...-july-20140709

It seems like many places can't shake the cool temperatures. After a harsh winter, the summer heat just can't seem to take hold for long. Some of these locations saw a cool summer last year and current indications are this could be repeated this year
A deep upper-level trough will dig into the Great Lakes region from Canada next week, which will bring another round of cool temperatures. This trough is very strong for mid July, in the heart of summer. Record cold temperatures are likely.
Upper-level pattern early to midweek, showing the trough in the Midwest and the ridge in the West.



Some cities have yet to hit 90 degrees this year and it looks like the 90-degree mark won't be seen anytime soon for those cities. Next week, morning temperatures will be in the 50s for many in the Midwest, while a few lucky locations will see temperatures dip into the 40s! It really won't feel like July, as there won't be a hint of muggy air for much of the Midwest and East.
Meanwhile, the heat will stay in the West, with no real heat waves in sight for the Midwest or Northeast. So enjoy the cool and comfortable conditions for now!

Oh, Dear! RG wont be happy about this, there is no scientific facts in your article.......tsk....tsk.... Damn global warming.